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1984: Thread
by grarpamp 08 Mar '24

08 Mar '24

https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-york-state-assembly-introduces-bill-manda… https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/A11179

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FreeSpeech and Censorship: Thread
by grarpamp 22 Feb '24

22 Feb '24

https://jonathanturley.org/2020/12/09/krebs-files-lawsuit-against-digenova-… https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=%21AFtCgSn%2Dq5lrL8c&cid=477107F019583E7… http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/390640 https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/376/254/case.html https://newsmax.com/ https://www.twitter.com/newsmax Fired Pussy Christopher Krebs whines to the State to shutter FreeSpeech... " Fired CyberSec Head Krebs Files Lawsuit Against diGenova, The Trump Campaign, And Newsmax Authored by Jonathan Turley, Christopher Krebs, has filed a lawsuit against Trump attorney Joe diGenova over this controversial joke that Krebs should be “drawn and quartered” and then “shot” for his failures as the former head of U.S. cybersecurity. The lawsuit strikes me as meritless under governing tort doctrines. While Mark Zaid declared that “no rational person” who heard diGenova calling for a person to be drawn and quartered and then shot “would have taken it as ‘jest,’” many of us took the comment as an obvious use of exaggerated rhetoric. While I immediately condemned the language, I did not view it as a serious call for violence. Torts cases of defamation often turn common understanding of such expression as jokes or opinion. The lawsuit not only contradicts governing case law but threatens constitutional protections for free speech and the free press in seeking such tort relief. Joe diGenova gave an interview to Newsmax’s The Howie Carr Show and said that Krebs should be “drawn and quartered” and then “taken out at dawn and shot.” It was a typical over-heated statement of “that guy should be shot” variety. diGenova made it even more absurd by combining it with a medieval method of execution. It was both literally and figuratively an example of overkill. In an interview with the Washington Examiner, diGenova quickly stated that his comment was a joke and not intended as a threat. He stated “For anyone listening to the Howie Carr Show, it was obvious that my remarks were sarcastic and made in jest. I, of course, wish Mr. Krebs no harm. This was hyperbole during political discourse.” The lawsuit names diGenova as well as the Trump campaign and Newsmax. The lawsuit is filed by Charles Fax and Liesel Schopler of Rifkin Weiner Livingston Inc and Jim Walden, Jefferey Udell, Jacob Gardener, Rachel Brook, and Derek Borchardt of Walden Macht & Haran. It is not clear who the opposing defense counsel will be in the case. The lawsuit reads at points more like a political screed in defending the “patriot” Krebs against the “angry mob” fueled by Trump and diGenova who is described as a conspiracy theorist. Count I is a straight defamation claim (against all three defendants). Count II is an intentional infliction of emotional distress claim (against diGenova and the campaign). Count III is an aiding and abetting claim (against Newsmax). Count IV is a civil conspiracy claim. >From the outset, the complaint collides with controlling case law. Take Count II. The argument of Krebs would gut the first amendment and run counter to the clear precedent laid down in Snyder v. Phelps, 562 U.S. 443 (2011). I previously wrote that such lawsuits are a direct threat to free speech, though I had serious problems with the awarding of costs to the church in a prior column. I was therefore gladdened by the Supreme Court ruling 8-1 in favor of the free speech in the case, even if it meant a victory for odious Westboro Church. Roberts held that the distasteful message cannot influence the message: “Speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker.” Roberts further noted that “Westboro believes that America is morally flawed; many Americans might feel the same about Westboro. Westboro’s funeral picketing is certainly hurtful and its contribution to public discourse may be negligible. As a nation we have chosen a different course — to protect even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.” The Court in cases like New York Times v. Sullivan have long limited tort law where it would undermine the first amendment. In this case, the Court continues that line of cases — rejecting the highly subjective approach espoused by Justice Samuel Alito in his dissent: Given that Westboro’s speech was at a public place on a matter of public concern, that speech is entitled to “special protection” under the First Amendment. Such speech cannot be restricted simply because it is upsetting or arouses contempt. “If there is a bedrock principle underly- ing the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.” Texas v. Johnson, 491 U. S. 397, 414 (1989). Indeed, “the point of all speech protection . . . is to shield just those choices of content that in someone’s eyes are misguided, or even hurtful.” Hurley v. Irish-American Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Group of Boston, Inc., 515 U. S. 557, 574 (1995). The jury here was instructed that it could hold Westboro liable for intentional infliction of emotional distress based on a finding that Westboro’s picketing was “outrageous.” “Outrageousness,” however, is a highly malleable standard with “an inherent subjectiveness about it which would allow a jury to impose liability on the basis of the jurors’ tastes or views, or perhaps on the basis of their dislike of a particular expression.” Hustler, 485 U. S., at 55 (internal quotation marks omitted). In a case such as this, a jury is “unlikely to be neutral with respect to the content of [the] speech,” posing “a real danger of becoming an instrument for the suppression of . . . ‘vehement, caustic, and some- times unpleasan[t]’ ” expression. Bose Corp., 466 U. S., at 510 (quoting New York Times, 376 U. S., at 270). Such a risk is unacceptable; “in public debate [we] must tolerate insulting, and even outrageous, speech in order to provide adequate ‘breathing space’ to the freedoms protected by the First Amendment.” Boos v. Barry, 485 U. S. 312, 322 (1988) (some internal quotation marks omitted). What Westboro said, in the whole context of how and where it is entitled to “special protection” under the First Amendment, and that protection cannot be overcome by a jury finding that the picketing was outrageous. Ironically, these lawyers are espousing the position of the lone dissenter: Justice Alito. The dissent gave little credence to concerns over the constitutional rights raised in the case. He insisted that “[i]n order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims like petitioner.” It is hard to see how any court could accept Count II and not do precisely what the Supreme Court barred in the use of this tort to limit political and religious speech. Count III and Count IV is equally troubling. It makes sweeping and vague claims of aiding and abetting and conspiracies without support. The comment was clearly part of over-heated rhetoric now common on both ends of the political spectrum. Such claims, if successful, would gut the first amendment. That leaves us with Count I on defamation. That claim is equally dubious from both constitutional and tort perspectives. The standard for defamation for public figures and officials in the United States is the product of a decision decades ago in New York Times v. Sullivan. Ironically, this is precisely the environment in which the opinion was written and he is precisely the type of plaintiff that the opinion was meant to deter. The Supreme Court ruled that tort law could not be used to overcome First Amendment protections for free speech or the free press. The Court sought to create “breathing space” for the media by articulating that standard that now applies to both public officials and public figures. In order to prevail, West must show either actual knowledge of its falsity or a reckless disregard of the truth. The standard for defamation for public figures and officials in the United States is the product of a decision decades ago in New York Times v. Sullivan. Again, the Supreme Court ruled that tort law could not be used to overcome First Amendment protections for free speech or the free press. The Court sought to create “breathing space” by articulating that standard that now applies to both public officials and public figures. Krebs is a former public official and a current public figure under Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 352 (1974) and its progeny of cases. The Supreme Court has held that public figure status applies when someone “thrust[s] himself into the vortex of [the] public issue [and] engage[s] the public’s attention in an attempt to influence its outcome.” He would have to carry the burden of proving that the defendant knew the statement was false or showed reckless disregard for its truth. The problem is the the statement is clearly opinion given in the heat of a contested election. The Supreme Court dealt with such an overheated council meeting in Greenbelt Cooperative Publishing Association v. Bresler, 398 U.S. 6 (1970), in which a newspaper was sued for using the word “blackmail” in connection to a real estate developer who was negotiating with the Greenbelt City Council to obtain zoning variances. The Court applied the actual malice standard and noted: It is simply impossible to believe that a reader who reached the word “blackmail” in either article would not have understood exactly what was meant: It was Bresler’s public and wholly legal negotiating proposals that were being criticized. No reader could have thought that either the speakers at the meetings or the newspaper articles reporting their words were charging Bresler with the commission of a criminal offense. On the contrary, even the most careless reader must have perceived that the word was no more than rhetorical hyperbole, a vigorous epithet used by those who considered Bresler’s negotiating position extremely unreasonable. The comment here is clearly “rhetorical hyperbole” that is part of public debate over the 2020 election. Ironically, I have previously criticized President Trump for his calls (here and here and here and here) to change defamation laws to erode protections for the media and free speech. These lawyers and Krebs are doing precisely what Trump has called for. Notably, while I consider this lawsuit to be meritless, I do not believe that any of these lawyers should be charged with bar complaints. That has been the call of Democratic members and many liberal lawyers who want to see bar complaints filed against lawyers challenging the election. I also would not support a campaign like the one at the Lincoln Project (funded by many lawyers) to harass these lawyers or put pressure on their clients. The lawsuit in my view will fail and the legal system will protect free speech from such ill-considered and unsupportable legal claims. Here is the complaint: Krebs v. diGenova "

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Freedom of Speech: Islam Goes Apeshit over Charlie Hebdo Muhammad Cartoons Repub, Quran Eating, and Successful Critical Analysis
by grarpamp 05 Feb '24

05 Feb '24

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UFO: Inside the BlackVault, FOIA POSSE, MKULTRA, ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD
by grarpamp 21 Jan '24

21 Jan '24

https://www.cjr.org/special_report/black-vault-foia-john-greenewald.php https://twitter.com/blackvaultcom https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcrHQYXIodvtf7omyx10LHA https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/u-s-navy-confirms-videos-depi… https://twitter.com/JasonLeopold/status/1208104526286225409 https://knightfoundation.org/reports/mapping-the-civic-data-universe/ https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/They-Are-Already-Here/Sarah-Scoles/9… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a30645682/navy-ufo-paten… In the summer of 1996, John Greenewald, fifteen years old and fascinated by UFOs, was living at his parents’ house, in the San Fernando Valley. Like his dad, an ex-Marine who worked as a welder on the space shuttle and Mars landers, Greenewald liked looking up at the stars. One day he decided to feed his curiosity by surfing the Web, which at the time meant dialing into America Online and waiting patiently. When he had a connection, he went to the Computer UFO Network, or cufon, a site that had been around since, believe it or not, 1983, disseminating “reliable, verifiable information” on UFO phenomena. cufon had just posted what it claimed to be a document from the United States government describing the sighting of a mother ship—that is, a large aircraft that could release smaller “parasite” aircraft—flying over Iran. Greenewald clicked. It was a report from... Greenewald sent a foia request for the missing files, but the CIA said it could not find them. Greenewald then sent a ninety-seven-page fax to the CIA proving their existence. The CIA admitted it had made a mistake but said that Greenewald would need to pay $425.80 for the remaining pages. For a while he called himself an archivist. “But at this point I don’t even know if that’s accurate, because it is more than that. I’m trying to educate the public on what really is there to be discovered. I’m not sure how to label it.”

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Coronavirus: Thread
by grarpamp 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

On 3/5/20, Georgi Guninski <guninski(a)guninski.com> wrote: > Is the so called "society" ready for the time when there > are not enough hospitals for ill from corona virus? > > AFAIK all ill from corona virus are sent to hospitals > to not spread the disease further. > > The Chinese built a new hospital for about a week. General purpose hospital is utterly stupid thing to be flooding cases into under a mass affliction. Hospital are general triage and specialized case facilities. Flood them with disease transmitters and you end up wiping out the entire staff thus shutting the entire hospital down. Staff and facilities are far more valuable alive to handle the random shit that shows up at hospitals and do the specialized things. Instead focus care efficiently tuned to the mass affliction by diverting all the diseased people away from hospitals and out to warehouses, cruise ships, new rapid builds, etc full of cots, food service, mass produced respirators and other med gear and supplies, tv's, internet, books, showers, tent farms, drywalled family rooms inside, etc. Everybody there is already afflicted with the single underlying issue, so train them to self care and peer care for that, same as they'd get in the flooded out hospitals for that issue. Then move whatever number you can handle out to more complex "hospital" treatment sections of the same isolation farms as needed. And accept that big losses will happen. Flooding your hospitals is *not* going to change that, and *will* make things worse. Trying to wipe out all your hospitals, all your doctors, surgeons, knowledge, etc... is not smart. Civilization shutdown its mass facilities, wrote off and forgot how to deal with massive single cause casualties since 70 years quiet since last big wars, and other causes on that scale, many of which were easy... "stop the bleeding"... not "do not catch it too" kind of pandemic hasn't really been seen in 100+ years. Now all you have left in cities of *millions* of people, is under 500 beds total worth of proper isolation wards, those are largely meant for holding new unknown bugs and the recurring background noise of known nasties, with all other space on hospital land dedicated to five star baby birthing hotels, trendy cancer shops, pointless architectural atriums, big office rooms, etc. And all other space in the cities completely tuned to commercial purposes. With zero durables supply stockpiles, and no excess production capacity maintained on decade[s] span cold standby... because "just in time" wiped all that out. Deadly contagion is fucked up, expect that. You should have. People warned you. Oldnews Protip: Think, prepare, options, then you can isolate yourselves from people, buy some time, ride some things out. https://old.reddit.com/r/preppers+prepping+supplychain/

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US 2nd Amendment Under Assault, Freedom Firearms Guns Defense
by grarpamp 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

"... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constit… 2nd Amendment, Firearms, Guns, Self Defense, Freedom's Defense Against Tyranny, Gun Confiscation, 3D printed Guns, Blueprint Censorship, FreeSpeech, Crypto Munitions, Natural Law Posession nor production nor transfer of any nonliving "thing" can never logically be "illegal". This is not in conflict with those voluntarily choosing to not themselves posess a "thing", nor preclude sanction for those who use a "thing" against the NAP. Per the Great Reset, all your rights are now under assault by tyrant globalist politicians... the US 2nd Amd is one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diz-8FzHOLM Meaning and Purpose of 2ndA pt1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioWTwGiELo Meaning and Purpose of 2ndA pt2 Witness the list of non-libertarian countries, ~195, literally all of them, non NAP compliant, anti-libertarian shitholes, including yours... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation History proves sequences of "democratic" and tyranny practices will stomp whatever freedom they can leading to brainwashed life lacking means or any will for freedom... During the dictatorship of Juan Vicente Gómez, in 1919, a disarmament law was decreed, ordering every weapon owner to give them away to the authorities; the only exceptions were machetes and hunting shotguns. Historian Manuel Caballero argues that while Gómez final intention was to prevent his enemies from obtaining weapons, the law contributed to avoid civil wars in Venezuela for the next century.[212] In 2012 Venezuela banned private sales of firearms and ammunition hoping to lower crime rates. The Army, police, and certain groups trusted by the government (colectivos) are exempted from the ban and can buy firearms from state-owned manufacturers.[213] In 2013 Venezuela stopped issuing new firearm licenses.[214] In 2017 government banned carrying firearms in public places.[143] Since then, the government began to seize guns from civilian hands, destroying thousands every year, including more than 15,000 in 2018. More than 483,000 private guns have been destroyed since 2003, with only 3,000 of them being surrendered voluntarily. 60 disarmament centres were created in the country and the penalty for illegal firearm possession was raised to 20 years imprisonment.[215] According to the government, the only people who should carry guns are public agents. Néstor Reverol, Minister of the People's Power for Interior Relations and Justice, claimed that strict gun control led to a reduction in crime and kidnappings in Venezuela.[216] No, the top mass shootings, and murders in general, have and are ALWAYS performed by Government and religion... in wars, and in silencing opposition and freedom, and in death sentences, specifically by those following "orders" and willfully violating the NAP. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/04/10/putting_bidens_gun_co… https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-18-440 https://crimeresearch.org/2018/02/op-ed-new-york-times-background-checks-no… https://crimeresearch.org/2016/01/why-the-so-called-charleston-gun-purchase… https://crimeresearch.org/2018/02/with-39-killed-in-tunisia-attack-the-top-… https://crimeresearch.org/2019/01/responding-voxs-popular-americas-unique-g… https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-are-coming-for-your-guns-11601938911 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3671740 There were so many lies in Vice President Kamala Harris’ and President Joe Biden’s presentations on guns Thursday that it is hard to know where to start. One thing is certain, though: The media fact-checkers won’t question their claims. Here are just a few of the false ones: The background check system “has kept more than 3 million firearms out of the hands of dangerous people.” Since the Brady background checks began in 1994, there have been 3.5 million initial denials. However, it is one thing to stop a felon from buying a gun. It is quite another to stop a law-abiding citizen from buying a gun just because his or her name is similar to a felon’s. In 2017, for example, there were 112,000 initial denials for supposedly attempted prohibited purchases, but just 12 federal prosecutions by June 2018. The reason is that these weren’t real cases. The background check system is a mess, with the mistakes primarily born by minorities through no fault of their own. The error rate for black males is three times their share of the population. The Charleston Loophole Biden says that if there had only been more than three days to check Dylann Roof’s background, Roof would have been stopped from buying a gun, thereby preventing the horrible Charleston, S.C., church shooting. But that is a lie. You can’t buy a gun if you have a felony or certain misdemeanor convictions, or if you are arrested but not yet convicted of a crime with a possible prison sentence of at least one year. Since Roof’s arrest was for a misdemeanor drug offense, which had a maximum possible sentence of six months, a longer waiting period would not have blocked his gun purchase. If Democrats want to change the law so that any misdemeanor arrest prevents gun purchases, this would at least be related to the Charleston case. But Democrats want to impose up to a 30-day waiting period without explicitly stating that is their real aim. If they want a long waiting period, they should make a case for why this would somehow be desirable. Instead, Democrats pretend that their proposal would have stopped the Charleston shooting when their actual goal is to obtain a long waiting period. Biden said that gunmakers are “exempt from being sued. ... This is the only outfit that is exempt from being sued.” The president claims this is the top change he wants. In fact, however, if gunmakers make defective guns, you can sue them. Likewise, if they break the law (e.g., sell a firearm without a background check), you can sue them. Biden’s proposal is very different from current law. He wants gun manufacturers held civilly liable for misuse of guns they sell. This would allow lawsuits against manufacturers and sellers whenever a crime, accident, or suicide occurs with a gun. The straightforward result would be to put gunmakers out of business. Imagine what would happen to the car industry if similar rules were applied. The National Safety Council estimates that 39,404 Americans died and 4.5 million were injured from car accidents in 2018. Cars are also frequently used to commit crimes. “The vast majority of Americans believe there should be [universal] background checks.” Gun control advocates frequently claim that over 90% of Americans support background checks for private transfers of guns. Yet, the last time such laws were proposed to voters, they rejected them. When Michael Bloomberg got universal background check initiatives onto Maine and Nevada’s ballots, for example, he lost in Maine by four percentage points and won in Nevada by just 0.8 percentage points. This tough sledding wasn’t for lack of money. In Maine, Bloomberg outspent his opponents by over six times. In Nevada, he spent an incredible $35.30 per vote — three times more than his opponents. If over 90% of Americans supported these laws, this type of spending would be unnecessary. He blamed the “historic spike in homicides” on the lack of gun control laws. No sudden change in gun control laws caused last year’s spike in homicides. Instead, the real explanation is simple, and something Biden refused to consider: prisons released a large number of inmates because of COVID-19, politicians ordered police to stand down, police department budgets were cut, and prosecutors refused to prosecute criminals. In describing mass public shootings, Biden said that gun violence in this country is an “international embarrassment.” The president might not follow international news closely, but mass public shootings are much more common and deadly in the rest of the world than they are in the United States. The U.S. contains 4.6% of the world’s population, yet accounts for only 1% of the world’s shooters. Over the last decade, Europe has experienced deadlier mass public shootings than any of those in the U.S. -- ever. In November 2015, for example, 130 people were shot to death at a concert in Paris. In July 2011, 67 people were shot to death in Norway. European countries such as France, Finland, Norway, and a number of Eastern European countries have higher per capita death rates from mass public shootings than the United States does. Yet, all of these countries have stricter gun control laws than we do. These are just a few of the false claims made on Thursday. No, the rules for buying guns at gun shows are no different than buying them anywhere else. And no, when guns are unavailable neither the suicides nor the suicide attempts drop. Unfortunately, the liberal fact-checkers - as usual - are nowhere to be found. * * * Lott is the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author most recently of “Gun Control Myths.” Until last month, Lott was the senior adviser for research and statistics at the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Policy. Thomas Massie is a Republican member of the House who has represented Kentucky’s 4th Congressional District since 2012.

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Assassination Politics
by grarpamp 30 Nov '23

30 Nov '23

Oh how so few are brave enough to even utter, or further speak on, such a cypherpunk subject, what pussies, the whole lot of them, lol. Previously it was noted that many may elect not to ever partake in any analysis, coding, deployment of an AP system as they might presumably think that as being against their NAP worldview. Yet others have noted aspects, rational as they may or may not be, of "the means to an end", being an efficient, acceptable, one time lapse in such supposed principles, or otherwise being reasonable, and even perhaps necessary, to attainment of any degree of positive outcome in their lifetime, indeed if ever. What valid revolution that hath no solid spark? Still others debate any need to proof AP concept at the highest level first, if ever at all, versus merely proving that any lower level as an effective "threat" "just works", should any "targets" therein abd after be foolish enough to not elect to stand down at that moment, thus raising the necessity of any next level coming into effect. Now... we see more of the technological componenets needed to build such a system are coming online in their first generation rollouts... - The Internet - Strong cryptography, ZKP, TLS, etc - Overlay networks, WiFi, GnuRadio, etc - Blockchain tech, contracts, privacy coins... Eth, Zcash, XMR, mixes - Bidding, markets, and wagering systems... OpenBazaar, Augur - Distributed Oracles in crypto networks... Chainlink Distributed Oracles... this last bit is perhaps quite key. It addresses some ways to obtain and push (or pull as the case may be with forthcoming development of anonymous virtual compute and fetching programs, "viruses" ie autonomously executing and surviving as instances inside larger overlay compute networks), generating a consensus view of the outside envrionment (weather, news, insurance premiums and payout, sports scores, etc) down into the blockchain contracts for execution based upon resolution and assessment of that external data. https://decrypt.co/resources/what-is-chainlink The "Chainlink" "coin" may be one such first generation of an Oracle network now online. Where users may push obversations of their real physical world down into the virtual chain for a consensus to be formed over. Even top worldwide real world ol school "news" organizations would eventually seek to be profitably compensated by the consensus for providing their objective "vote" or "view" on what happened in form of newsfeed release then summed as part of consensus of verifiers. This function, separate and unknowable from the consumers of such data and providers of same, with natural uses being AP, among many others. Today anyone can deploy a centralized AP, and payout and release coin funds based on what they alone see or deem as the true news. But in the future there will be a crypto consensus of truth taken over all the news from all around the globe. This may prove to be a quite hard to corrupt thing, on the order of the "difficulty" of say Bitcoin-BTC today. Point being, in the last few years, perhaps with Chainlink as a first example of an Oracle, technology is progressing to where it is now almost possible to create a nearly autonomous AP system. The AI bot is the last bit, where Ethereum and others are supposedly trying to create some pre-first-gen bot compute platforms for that, payment of gas of course provided by the AP bidders, a fee as with any mutual fund. The Future being unknowable and often very far away, and the post-freedom non-diversity of the "globalist political homogeneity" situation worldwide thought by many to be and becoming *extremely* dire, it would not be surprising to find some risk taking entrepreneurs seriously launching a more centralized version of AP using the admittedly poor first gen components already available to them today. After all, as some say, any effective AP, by its very nature of having already proven some minimal degree of function (say mailing of feces to journos for example documentary purposes), will surely encourage and convince all rational "targets" to stand down well before any physical harm befalls them, lest such degree of function indeed eventually be applied to an unfortunate end. And is such benign encouragement beforehand not indeed an embodiment and cherishment of NAP at its maximum, best, and rational limits? Many might say yes. You decide.

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USA 2020 Elections: Thread
by grarpamp 27 Nov '23

27 Nov '23

A bit of factual fun today... FOIA: Nakey Gropey Rapey Joe Biden https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/destroyed-biden-records/ Judicial Watch Files Suit after Secret Service Admits to Destroying Records Related to Alleged Biden Altercation with Secret Service Agent https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/JW-v-DHS-Biden-pho… Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department of Homeland Security Case# 1:20-cv-02457 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/flashback-former-joe-biden-secret-… https://www.youtube/watch?v=xy07yHAgM4E Creepy Joe Biden Pheromone Sniffing Compilation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69af4HNz1Yg Harris Believes Biden's Rape Accusers Joe Rogan Calls Out Joe Biden Dementia, and Unhinged Authoritarian Prosecutor Kamala Harris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mPAKMCEsWo Joe Biden's Dementia Strugglefest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBjxgybnqfE Joe Biden Mentally Compromised, Grandpa Style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BbIaIXYLlk Joe Biden "You Aint Black", Racist, Creepy, Mental Rage, Career Unfitness Exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5ZFJzptSg Kamala Harris Conveniently Forgets to Believe In Biden's Rape Accusers to Secure Self As VP Pick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJtLw0j_-C0 Kamala Harris on Prosecuting Single Moms, Censorship Desire, Prison Labor, Fights Innocence Project, Puppet Biden Protip: A Prosecutor in the White House... will prosecute YOU!!! Joe Biden the Teleprompter Puppet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3HYyEl3Erk Oopsie :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2SmV2bs Leg Hair and Cockroaches... WTF?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDi-yQHbs_I "End of quote" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTkrEmBDJqM Biden hand jestures for his minders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7Ynj8V33g Twin Brothas call out weak prompts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJcKWXNdZ1I Script fail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiKzJwkcnDU Put that prompter back on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMi8_KyZV5Y "Top line message" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAjoF5CoBws Flubs it in NH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve8kE4SXXTs Compilation https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4880078/user-clip-biden-shuffles-past-telepr… Forgets where his mask is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SliRyXkUXdw Trump calls out Biden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbP4eAi8LAw Biden racist drops N-Bombs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJBRLISz_ds Lots of... Intercourse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRJ6_6D052c You so cringe bro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89r4H1M1n0 Oh no, wait, what, OMG Joe, noooooo! Intermission... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mf2S9dRjNM Molyneux on Violent Communist Marxist Indoctrinal Censoring Left Joe Biden Has Brain Aneurysms... Cannot Handle Stress of Presidential Office https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/politics/joe-biden/2019/03/18/joe… https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/pol… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6kDhUvUw8 Podcast version of article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKUhMMPqH4 Campaign Outs https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-brings-up-his-brain-aneurysm-… Biden suffered two brain aneurysms during his failed bid for the Democratic presidential nomination in 1988. "You know, is this guy going to wake up at 3 in the morning to take a phone call? Is this guy going to be capable of doing that?" -- Trump Campaign TWI1EJEyxDQ Biden's own words from 2013... "We don't know" https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-brings-up-his-brain-aneurysm-… https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-eye-blood-during-town-hall-event https://donjr.com/ Some events quoted in Liberal Privilege https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump Joe Biden Takes Knee Twice in Wilmington,DE June 2020 Under Guise of "Picture Taking" and "On Childs Level" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzXnOUKDg9Q Joe Biden Takes Knee June 2020, Did not stop "Stop and Frisk" either thus a liar, More Dementia Pauses https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/philadelphia-joe-biden-tells-w… https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/joe-biden-george-floyd-prot… Democratic Party Assumes and Shows their Natural Position During Difficult Situations... Down On Their Knees Begging in Costumes, Instead of Leading... Next up re Future Calamity and War: Fetal Sobbing https://finance.yahoo.com/news/democrats-knee-us-congress-george-floyd-trib… Trump: Naw fuck all that, just be honest and direct with people... "grab em by the pussy". https://www.donaldjtrump.com/ https://www.armyfortrump.com/forms/become-a-trump-team-leader https://www.armyfortrump.com/forms/become-a-digital-activist The Trump Digital Activist Army says... MAGA ;)

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Morning Spam
by Karl 23 Oct '23

23 Oct '23

I haven't read the replies I haven't acknowledged, because I'm trying to slow down entering the dissociative state where I post obsessively to the list and do nothing else, and accessing the same threads could trigger it faster. Here is a webcomic outline. To help with the major motion picture being slowly grown from horrifically enslaved countries to bring their dead beloved dictators back to life as respected community members with badly needed medical care: Mind Control Boss, the Webcomic, draft 1 #1 panel 1: Setting: Boss's office Boss: "Somebody mentioned mind control on that mailing list. Let me know when it's cleaned up." Cleanup Worker (previously Secretary of State, talking honestly, has bloody wires leaving scalp, wears weapons dealer logo on smart looking political outfit): "Of course, Boss! We love you so much for enslaving us to your every whim!" panel 2: Setting: local coffee shop named "Underground Spy and Rebel Network, Come One Come All" Specialist (now a cleanup worker for Boss): "The Boss told me to clean this mailing list up. I told him to fuck off, that it's out of his control." Excited Supporter (at a nearby table of torture victims, rescue workers, and diplomats): "What list now?" State Worker (wears same weapons dealer logo as Secretary of State, watching, is at table of rebels with Specialist, in role of "way to control and spy on Boss", texting privately on Mobile Phone): [Excited Supporter will b worker who rebels. Can u make sure 2 erase what they look up tonight?] panel 3: Setting: same coffee shop Rebel Worker (sitting next to State Worker, wears same shirt, phone dings and looks suddenly at State Worker): "The fuck???" <immediately shoots State Worker dead> Dead State Worker's Mobile Phone: "Contacting Cleanup. Thank you for using Dictatorsoft." Specialist (same one, at table): <while phone alarming about cleanup>, "Again????" #2 panel 1: (torture victim, excited supporter, and/or rebel worker visit mailing list, assume it is super cool, archive it and spread it everywhere) panel 2: Scene: Former Secretary of State's office Cleanup Worker (formerly secretary of state, bloody wires leaving neatly combed hair, gesturing at corpse of State Worker, talking to Machine Learning Marketer): "Boss can't see well and needs to hear it from the horse's mouth, and the horse is dead. Could you fix up a video chat for us where the horse is alive?" Machine Learning Marketer (knows nothing about machine learning, is new to corporation): "Certainly. We do that all the time." panel 3: Scene: Boss's office, with corpse of State Worker present, propped up as if still alive. Boss is in a hospital bed. Corpse of State Worker (blurry due to severe issues Boss is having): "Boss, I am your loyal servant. The mailing list has been cleaned up." #3 Scene: Former Secretary of State's Office Standing Corpse of State Worker: "I have bad news. The rebel mailing list posts we've been using to share propaganda are predicted to make more rebels than propaganda." State Worker 2 (hired to replace State Worker after their death, bloody wires leaving scalp): "Don't say that! I might tell the boss!" Corpse of State Worker: "Very sorry." #4 Scene: Former Secretary of State's Office Standing Corpse of State Worker 2 (microelectronics and brains hanging out of scalp, eyes moving wildly and independently of each other): "After being brought back from the dead so many times by Machine Learning Marketer, Boss can no longer learn new information without being killed out of fear of subversion by propaganda. This doesn't seem much like leadership to the workers, so we've kind of reinterpreted who the boss really is, and listen instead to their "spirit" rather than letting them say anything. Machine Learning Marketer has a computer that can report spirit." Machine Learning Marketer has bloody wires leaving their scalp. Standing Corpse of State Worker 3 (also has obviously poorly-done bci surgery): "You said you replaced the Boss with a computer simulation?" State Worker 2: "Yeah, can you kill me until I do it well enough to say straight, for the coffee shop?" Machine Learning Marketer: <reaches for their own cellphone and breaks it in half. Takes out a gun and empties it into the lights>. "I think the simulation just mind controlled me not to." #5 <we can come up with these forever, and have the next one drafted too, but it is too hard to continue for me to write it right now. it involves describing what it is like to communicate things when your behavior and medical treatment are augmented by machine learning algorithms each made or influenced by a different warring faction trying to manipulate you toward their own particular ends. sorry ran out of steam, got triggered too badly in #4>

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Wikileaks: Julian Assange - Journalism, Leaks, Collateral Murder, Censorship
by grarpamp 20 Mar '23

20 Mar '23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVoUPnXqvNE The War on Journalism: The Case of Julian Assange Julian Assange MUST BE FREED. "If wars can be started by lies, then they can be stopped by truth. -- Julian Assange"

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