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Re: [digital-rights-activism] Oklahoma Police and your money!
by Zenaan Harkness 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 04:13:16AM -0500, Cryptobits wrote: > It's easier to lose all your money in Oklahoma than it is in Las Vegas! >⋅ > https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/america… On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 09:00:02PM +0000, Jack Liddy wrote: > It's a shame, there was once a a few people (two or more, depending on which version you believe) in Oklahoma who > bravely stood up to the authorities and refused to allow their massive overreach. Now this is common place and > people are helpless. "People are helpless" Well, perhaps that's the mindset that results in the few who stand, only to find that almost no one jumps on board. Or perhaps I'm overestimating and you are not one of the few who stood, in which case the only shame is that -you- did not stand with those who did. Now here's a huge firetruckin irony: last year, or perhaps early this year, slashd0t.0rg went through some management process of attempting to monetize the site (again) in a way which some of the users (perhaps most) really did not appreciate. This new website layout issue was evidently a momentous human rights trigger, since saw quite a huge campaign from quite a few members of that website, "troll" the beginning of the comments of EVERY new article, to make their point, and they proclaimed they would not stop until the website reverted to its old layout. And wouldn't you know it? Within a couple weeks (don't quote me) of sustained and diligent and united (amongst the protesters) action, they got what they wanted and the weebsite was mostly reverted back to its old layout. But having your assets/ car /bank account/ life/ anonymity of travel to be raped and pillaged? Seriously, who cares? One or two "constitutional extremists" who protest and my god, the gall of them, even go to court against the respective local, state or federal government organ? Man, how extreme, they're like, you know, like terrorists or something, our whole democracy might crumble or you know, like the end of the world, so nah, can't get up to help them... "riseup"? You're kidding me right? Humans ... get what they f**kin deserve.

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Re: [tor-talk] Graffiti "rapist lives here" at Jacob Appelbaum's house
by Zenaan Harkness 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 06:42:04PM -0400, Kevin wrote: > We talk about how internet bullying is wrong. Well, this is internet > bullying. This is internet bullying, descended into an internet lynch mobbing, descended further into physical net vigilante crimes. The mindset allowing for such descent, and such crimes, I believe arises from the not-handled suppression/ repression from our government organs. When we don't handle the bully in our face (papers please show your license, insert this piece of plastic into an orifice of your body so we can verify your DNA^Bblood alcohol level, your bank account has just been fleeced for your oustanding $3K of fines since that's all you had stashed their and we will take the rest next time you pass, etc etc), we repress ourselves. We have submitted to a bully, we have accepted by default (tacitly) an injustice. We are leaving the problem to the next guy as well, and to who knows perhaps our grandchildren. And the problem is, we are not leaving the same problem, we are leaving a bigger problem because the bully got a little bit more confident with his/her bullying. There are state sponsored bullies, and there are individual bullies. And the sense of powerlessness which arises since we let so many bullies (mostly the state sponsored ones) prevail in our weekly lives, leving these bullies "to the next guy", is a foundation which is ripe for YOU jumping into a lynch mob! "Oh look, a single non state sponsored individual who REALLY did something wrong! Yeah let's crucify him! Crucify him now! I know the courts are fucked and the police are corrupt, so we must crucify him/her NOW so we can finally FEEL a bit of justice!" Fact is, the foundation of a lynch mobber is one of intense cowardice. The public cricifixion is nothing but a release valve, and the weak (non state sponsored) individual target of the mob, pays a very high and very public price for the cowardice of the many. EVERY one must ask themselves, am I a coward? Am I not doing my part to handle the bullies in my own life? Am I leaving the problems to the next guy "who I'm so fucking grateful for, my heroes"? When will I start living my part for the world I want to live in, which starts in my own home, my own communities, my own country? Or will I continue to cowardly leave shit to the next guy...

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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

On 6/10/16, Jaromil <jaromil(a)dyne.org> wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, grarpamp wrote: >> > FTR there are I2P plugins for a vast range of external clients and > even an embedded new client. I2P embedded client is a webfront toy that does not scale. Define scale as 100 to 1000+ torrents loaded in the app's index for seeding. > Oh and BTW there is even a C++ > reimplementation of I2P. This is known. Hopefully it ends up being lighter. > why "a bit harder"? Onioncat 80 is harder in I2P due to I2P address width.. There needs to be a better wider more cross darknet inclusive solution, but as you may know, that's already up for grabs in a recent former thread you can easily find / participate. > Please, lets be frank. I2P supports torrenting on its network since > many years and it works perfectly fine. As a minimal tool for small users of a few torrents. It scales worse than the combo Tor + Onioncat UDP + Transmission, plus opentracker forming initial meetup space to prime into PEX / DHT. Which people are also using right now today, entirely within Tor, and linked to some other networks via other tunnel interfaces which I won't bother to detail here. See dark docs. > need for Tor to push more "marketing" to race above "competitors". The > linked gist to conquer a new fronteer to bring more relays to Tor: BS! Didn't write it, don't share all its plan either. In particular, dislike every clearnet app on the planet having to link against library for this net, library for that net, deal with Tor's stupid lack of anything but TCP transport, talk socks5, not be peertopeer endtoend bidirectional, etc over these darknets. Leads to social balkanization and one-net specific apps like each darknet creating dinky little private tools like Snark. Not knocking i2p / snark, knocking lack of vision and cooperation to make apps interoperable across many darknets at once. As important as competitive race, is inclusion. Which yields faster adoption. Similar to how the subject line is yielding faster adoption among some percent of the 100M+ torrenters out there. > direction of best implementations and there is no doubt that I2P is > the best for torrents. Subjective statement. Best you can do is put them all in a comparison table.

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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

On 6/10/16, Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [stuff] The OP subject is that - major bt indexes are now operating as onions. Though those indexed torrents specify clearnet trackers, there are also now darknet trackers and users connecting to them and sharing among themselves with their favorite udp enable bt apps by using onioncat. No hacks or other software needed. Thanks for the various subthread though.

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PGP survey invitation
by Kivo Eba Ng 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

This came to my inbox. However, I wouldn’t touch this with a 10’ pole. > Dear PGP/GPG user, > > My name is Sven Braun and I am an MSc candidate at the Oxford Internet Institute, University of Oxford, United Kingdom. > > You receive this message, as your email address is publicly available on PGP public key servers. > > I am running a study on the usage of the email and data encryption software PGP/GPG to understand who is using PGP/GPG and encryption in society. > > I kindly invite you to participate in my survey: https://oii.qualtrics.com/SE?Q_DL=2cwWZBfUIKuwBYV_blrVb70dci9gK5T_MLRP_cOr2… <https://oii.qualtrics.com/SE?Q_DL=2cwWZBfUIKuwBYV_blrVb70dci9gK5T_MLRP_cOr2…> > > If you have any further questions about this research, please do not hesitate to contact me <sven.braun(a)oii.ox.ac.uk <mailto:sven.braun@oii.ox.ac.uk>> (+44 1865 986891) or my advisor Dr Anne-Marie Oostveen <anne-marie.oostveen(a)oii.ox.ac.uk <mailto:anne-marie.oostveen@oii.ox.ac.uk>> (+44 1865 287208). > > Many thanks in advance for your participation, > Sven > > -- > Sven Braun > MSc Candidate, Social Science of the Internet > Oxford Internet Institute > University of Oxford Mike

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Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

First come the clearnet indexes... # kickass torrents http://lsuzvpko6w6hzpnn.onion/ # the pirate bay http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/ # rutor http://rutorc6mqdinc4cz.onion/ # btdigg http://btdigg63cdjmmmqj.onion/ # torrents md http://tmdwwwebwyuuqepd.onion/ # demonoid http://demonhkzoijsvvui.onion/ # Putting the "Tor" back in Torrent https://gist.github.com/obvio171/addb26214a8c159f84a8 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8022341 # For DHT, PEX, UDP https://www.onioncat.org/ Just a teaser of what's already out there...

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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

On 6/9/16, Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't care at all what you think about "my stuff" Nor do I care to purchase clearnet tools or see people spammed for it. Clearnet is noninteresting fossil. > wrong appreciation/description of it, Stuff, model, same diff. I've appreciated the description of what it is and how its used. Peersm clients interact BT to clearnet to shuffle into browserland. Don't care about such clearnet use, whether optional or not. The subject says "entirely within anonymous overlay nets", that means ZERO interaction with clearnet, other than obviously the overlay itself. > I was not referring to this only > Apparently you are trying to revive some old concepts that just can't > work with bittorrent Suggest you define "old concepts" and "newer projects" with links. > "Which is why bittorrent is moving into the overlays", please clarify > what you mean > why you posted this Already did. > why popcorn time shows up here Some people think popcorn time is the only bittorrent app, and that where it appears is relavent. I don't. > Le 09/06/2016 à 18:21, grarpamp a écrit : >> On 6/9/16, Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Missing something here or why do you post those old links without >>> mentioning newer projects? >> Some of your stuff depends on clearnet peers / services, I see no >> need for that in the new old world of anonymous overlay networks. >> Some of your stuff is commercial, for clearnet no less, spammed >> out in every message you send. I see no need for that either. >> >> As in the subject "entirely within". >> As in the body "just a teaser". > > -- > Get the torrent dynamic blocklist: http://peersm.com/getblocklist > Check the 10 M passwords list: http://peersm.com/findmyass > Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.org > Peersm : http://www.peersm.com > torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live > node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor > GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms > > -- > tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org > To unsubscribe or change other settings go to > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk >

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The Internet As Govt Self Suicide Device
by grarpamp 09 Jun '16

09 Jun '16

On 6/7/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> > On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:23:17 +0000 (UTC) > jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >Apparently there are a number of easy-to-describe improvements which >> >could be made to the TOR protocol Perhaps. Though I think tor's basic design and inertia may be unsuited to GPA resistant mods, such that new project[s] would be better ground for trialing that. Doesn't mean that current nets can't be drawn from. >> >TOR is a net positive, For quite some use cases, just not all use cases. > I've argued for years that the invention of the Internet will eventually be > seen as a very slow-motion suicide by government. Gov's don't self suicide. However they may piss other folks off, who then rise to kill them. Replacing them with yet another govt. Of course twisting their own original tools for military comms superiority against them is always fun, and yes, seen as ironic. There are also too many places in the world where govs still have effective control over it... censorship events, etc... such that govt survival mechanism will be effective nationalization under "exigent state of emergency". It may take another 20 years before the race condition between govts and freedom of the net yields a real winner, or a real meltdown. > is on Ethereum and Augur, which will make the prediction market open. > Nobody will much care if I donate 0.001 BTC to see the end of > [fill in the > blank with the name of your] ...neighbors dog that shits on your lawn and barks all night. Call it practice for the big game. With license issued by Anonymous Dept of Parks and Rec.

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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 09 Jun '16

09 Jun '16

On 6/9/16, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The problem is getting the software in the first place. > Popcorn Time #1 got bullied off the web, then sprouted > two forks, neither of which could keep a stable url. > So you better not have a single hitch in your web server. Otherwise that > will be the first thing to go, and you'll end > up wasting the rest of your development time playing > cat-and-mouse across dns, onion addys, etc. You missing greater part of the subject and context... Competent services and users can't be bullied off of anonymous overlay networks by anyone except perhaps GPA's that have nothing better to do. Clearnet is a joke compared to that general caveat. Which is why bittorrent is moving into the overlays... yes, they're tired of wasting their time with bullies and they have better things to do, including building and using stable, resistant, systems. That's just ops, is not giving up, but continuing to better advancing any of their philosophical ideas on piratepartiet, privacy, etc.

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Re: [tor-talk] Bittorrent starting to move entirely within anonymous overlay nets
by grarpamp 09 Jun '16

09 Jun '16

On 6/9/16, Aymeric Vitte <vitteaymeric(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Missing something here or why do you post those old links without > mentioning newer projects? Some of your stuff depends on clearnet peers / services, I see no need for that in the new old world of anonymous overlay networks. Some of your stuff is commercial, for clearnet no less, spammed out in every message you send. I see no need for that either. As in the subject "entirely within". As in the body "just a teaser".

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