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Interesting take on Sanjuro's Assassination Market
by Jim Bell 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2013/11/owl-assassination-market-website-are-the… Disclaimer: I am not associated with 'Sanjuro's "Assassination Market" in any way.

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Youtube item on "Assassination market"
by Jim Bell 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

I found this on Youtube.com. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbGypiDik2E (Disclaimer: I am not associated with 'Sanjuro's "Assassination Market" in any way. I do not know who he is.) Jim Bell

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Re: DEF CON 19 - hackers get hacked!
by coderman 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:14 AM, coderman <coderman(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ... > seriously EOM this time. well, what do you know, sunlight prevails! ;) http://electrospaces.blogspot.com/2013/11/drtbox-and-drt-surveillance-syste… ... this is but a feeling; one aspect of the whole.[0] 0. "Blind men and an elephant" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

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Re: Interesting take on Sanjuro's Assassination Market
by brian carroll 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Bill St. Clair wrote: > I'd like 50% of MY taxes to be paid to me. And 50% of the remaining half, etc. yeah. the problem with calculation as reasoning is if the equations are not accurate or correct the 'answers' obtained via processing can be too easy or simple for the actual situation involved. this is the problem of language itself, seemingly, absence of connection with logic, accountability for actual versus perceived truth, shared and unshared observations, competing relativism in the literal, whereby local calculation-like determinist viewpoints compete without all variables taken into account to get "answers". societal-wide, civilizational pandemic. for instance, assuming *taxes* are a yearly issue taken out of payroll only, and not a national debt burden (is this $500,000 per citizen, when will everyone be a millionaire in reverse, via debt owed?) the economy is not sane in terms of "economics" and yet taxes are viewed locally as if a pure action that indebted to the absolute fucked-up-ness of things, then used against individuals who pay less or whatever, to justify a certain viewpoint when its not this simple, yet entire groups view it this way as an ideology which is self-beneficial to share values or functioning. instead, it is normal for the tax pious to take vengeance against others immoral for not carrying their own weight, when the entire system is leveraging a certain class against others, forcing lives into ruin, to sustain the given economy, then moralizing on top of this as a conceit, of superior virtue, for those fictionally supporting others in conditions and circumstances of privilege if not duplicity and criminality, social darwinism survival-of-the-fittest the masturbatory fantasia of those fat-brained and ill-conceived, nannied by television sets, sporting events, and retirement pension plans, for their better-than-thou thinking, not noticing their boots on the necks of many below, living off their structural misery, last of a generation of assholes able to do this unless extending this fiction into the present, those able to have sustainable living temporarily within a completely corrupt and bankrupt system and society, and acting as if this is normal, on the level, and not based entirely on bullshit and lies. it is to assume the monetary system and taxes are something pure, as if the gold standard today is not based in SHIT itself, junk economy and throwaway culture and planned obsolescence, ripping people off normalized, and then complaining because people need money for shelter and food to just keep breathing, versus someone having five television sets and three cars and two homes or just alot of stuff while others cannot even get past a state of continual debt and are forced out of the economy for the good of these bastard others who then look down on those they are standing on, spitting at, and viewing as a lower form of life- because money. really, people actually think the monetary system and tax system is going to be altered via a change in policy and a new system enacted, and that is how a new way of taxes will be transitioned. that this current fiction is going to peacibly be transformed into something else, everyone holding hands singing kumbaya around a campfire, -or- will it include the beginning of armageddon, separation of peoples into those who are friends and enemies, and then within the friendly-set, making these changes while 9/10th of the population is liquidated via war, for starters. what if the more realistic tax-improvement scenario. what the more accurate scenario, modifying the existing system or starting over, when taking everything that needs to be taken into account into account to actually be able to deal with the involved issues. it seems this very language prevents that modeling from occurring, it is to be trapped within a realm of words divisible, perspective unto perspective, never able to integrate all views into a single correct viewpoint, removed of error, and thus every warp and skew exchanged as normal and legitimate when it is not a default condition, absolute correspondence between belief and conveyance and yet this communication medium makes it appear so as an illusion, as if saying (signs) is truth itself versus its being referenced from this condition. and the truth of taxation is far more than a dollar number or how it is allocated individual to individual, yet this is commonplace and typical of its politics, as if people can vet out "justice" via monetary-based ideology as a value and moral system, 'truth itself', objective (A=A) because it is number-based, and yet it is monopoly money, game money, a fiction at the level of its purpose and the concept of economy itself. at the very least is incredibly dirty money, filthy, and thus to rationalize a moral superiority based upon it as a perspective, which many do as if highest truth, is a realm of the base for those who believe this, and only this, as their value system. it really captures the situation perfectly also in terms of the state subsidizing itself, basically it is at the point where the state is taxing itself, which is totally insane. people on welfare are being blamed for being so poor as to not have enough to pay taxes, and looked at as cheaters alone. taxing welfare that is not even enough for subsistence in the existing quasi ~political-economy. such issues are detached from a larger, more grounded reality that involves structural issues relied upon for bullshit viewpoints and too-simple frameworks, using inaccurate ideas as if a cudgel to attack others in these situations. in this way, ignorance is a way for 'might makes right' when a large group believes this ideology and then acts against others, as if a moral police, yet at its core it serves first and foremost a state of shit. rationalization and extension of bad ideas and inaccurate thinking, like the economy itself, allowed to inflate and granted power. it is a bubble alright. including the fat in peoples heads bubbling over as if insight when making and repeating idiotic calculations born of ideology, mantra, dogma of oppressors. they cannot be reasoned with either. which is perhaps why weapons were invented. hell, the state itself is being run by these same people today. all they care about is money, minus the truth it was to represent as shared value, now devoid within currency, the basis for the extortative ripoff via currency, the expropriation of work (via labor transmuted into currency) then siphoned and hoarded via onesided exchange, where most value flows uphill and is stored or used for corporate citizens in their corporate democracy (yes, democracy exists, just for corporate citizens not humans who are basically slaves). the very use of money is an unequal exchange, it is A=B exchange, it is not a shared truth that is being transferred, it is an institutionalized ripoff that has become standardized, normalized, yet made beyond contestation due to enforced illiteracy, the TAXATION moralizers the holier-than-thou choir, though fundamentally, foundationally basing these views in utter and absolute bullshit of the state.

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Internetworked crimes against humanity [was: Interesting take on Sanjuro's Assassination Market]
by coderman 30 Nov '13

30 Nov '13

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:30 AM, alex wright <wrightalexw(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Not to mention all the horrific typos. The pain grammar school teachers > suffer as a result of anonymous, uninhibited and over caffeinated anarchists > is one of the silent tragedies of our times. the Social Media Internet Generation has bequeathed unto the future untold generations this intentionally careless and crass accosting of common courtesy; unceasing, forever. not just archived, but cultivated and analyzed, repeatedly, as some part of a magnificent and meandering machine learning corpus across the cloud... (~_~;) . o O ( weeping silently for humanity )

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bitcoin as a global medium of exchange (was Re: Interesting take on Sanjuro's Assassination Market)
by Jim Bell 29 Nov '13

29 Nov '13

We can certainly agree on that! The new currency should be as anonymous as Zerocoin. (I can think of an application that will require robust anonymity.) Jim Bell ________________________________ From: David Vorick <david.vorick(a)gmail.com> I have faith that additional cryptocurrencies will be launched/released that are substantially better and different from bitcoin. Bitcoin is just the beginnning, and ultimately I don't think it will make more than a few years farther before there is an unquestioned replacement. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 1:53 AM, James A. Donald <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote: On 2013-11-26 11:43, David Vorick wrote: > >Andy, the problem isn't the denomination, the problem is that Satioshi >>has 5% of all the currency, and the Winklevoss twins have another 0.5%. >>If bitcoin becomes worth 100 trillion dollars, they've got a solid 500 >>billion for being nobody and doing nothing. That's a problem to me. >> >Five hundred billion for freeing the world financial system from US domination without bloodshed. Sounds mighty cheap to me. > >I am, however worried that bitcoin can be dominated by a small group. As the total transaction volume increases, the number of people that are full and equal participants in recording and facilitating transactions must diminish. > >This was my original objection, scaling failure, way back in the beginning, and it is now coming true. > >But even if my worst fears are realized, that is still a whole lot better than what we have now. > > >

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Re: DEF CON 19 - hackers get hacked! , DEF CON 20 was not DRT
by coderman 28 Nov '13

28 Nov '13

no, DC20 was not DRT. then i would feel bad for getting my ass handed to me... (when i discover the codename for my retribution, it shall become my headstone..)

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MONKEY PUZZLE timeline / history
by coderman 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

per document cloud (mirror at http://cryptome.org/2013/11/nsa-microsoft.pdf) MONKEY PUZZLE version 6 active as of Nov 2009. when was first iteration of this effort fielded? other versions? *sacrifices more chickens to the "Snowden Release Gatekeepers" (TM)*...

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NSA TAO Botnet
by CJ Knight 27 Nov '13

27 Nov '13

I noticed this published here in the UK; the Guardian's drip-feeding apparently didn't deem this one important enough for them to run. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/25/nsa_botnet/ "Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad reports that the elite NSA TAO (Tailored Access Operations) hacking squad had used malware to establish a zombie army with tentacles all across the world. The malware serves as a sleeper agent on compromised PCs, waiting months or longer before it activates and begins harvesting data. This stolen information is covertly fed into the NSA's voracious data processing apparatus. The malware (or "implants" in the lexicon of the NSA) is slung onto compromised machines using Computer Network Exploitation, or hacking, tactics." </snip> Regards, CJ

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Re: [Cryptography] Email is unsecurable
by grarpamp 25 Nov '13

25 Nov '13

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:01 AM, ianG <iang(a)iang.org> wrote: > On 23/11/13 15:30 PM, Ralf Senderek wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, David Mercer wrote: >> >>> But of course you're right about actual current usage, encrypted email >>> is an >>> epic fail on that measure regardless of format/protocol. >> >> Yes, but it's about time we do something about that. Do we *exactly know >> why* it is such a failure? > > It's an interesting question, and one worth studying for pedagogical > motives. From my experiences from both sides, it is clear that both sides > failed. But for different reasons. > Hence, I've concluded that email is unsecurable. Obviously. It will never be able to escape the non-body header content and third party routing, storage and analysis with any form of patching over today's mail. And it's completely ridiculous that people continue to invest [aka: waste] effort in 'securing' it. The best you'll ever get clients down to is exposing a single 'To:' header within an antique transport model that forces you to authenticate to it in order to despam, bill, censor and control you. That system is cooked, done and properly fucked. Abandon it. What the world needs now is a real peer to peer messaging system that scales. Take Tor for a partial example... so long as all the sender/recipient nodes [onions] are up, any message you send will get through, encrypted, in real time. If a recipient is not up, you queue it locally till they are... no third party ever needed, and you get lossless delivery and confirmation for free. Unmemorable node address?, quit crying and make use of your local address book. Doesn't have plugins for current clients?, so what, write some and use it if you're dumb enough to mix the old and new mail. The only real problem that still needs solved is scalability... what p2p node lookup systems are out there that will handle a messaging world's population worth of nodes [billions] and their keys and tertiary data? If you can do that, you should be able to get some anon transport over the p2p for free. Anyway, p2p messaging and anonymous transports have all been dreamed up by others before. But now is the time to actually abandon traditional email and just do it. If you build it, they will come.

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