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Manifestos: Ted Kaczynski: Man Of His Own Principles, Dead At 81
by grarpamp 11 Jun '23

11 Jun '23

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unabomber_Manifesto Ted Kaczynski authored Industrial Society and Its Future, a 35,000-word manifesto and social critique opposing industrialization, rejecting leftism, and advocating for a nature-centered form of anarchism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski Ted Kaczynski 52 languages Article Talk View history Page semi-protected "Unabomber" redirects here. For other uses, see Unabomber (disambiguation). Ted Kaczynski 2 (cropped).jpg Kaczynski after his arrest in 1996 Born Theodore John Kaczynski May 22, 1942 Chicago, Illinois, U.S. Died June 10, 2023 (aged 81) FMC Butner, Durham County, North Carolina, U.S. Other names Unabomber, FC Education Harvard University (BA) University of Michigan (MA, PhD) Occupation Mathematician Notable work Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) Relatives David Kaczynski (brother) Conviction(s) 10 counts of transportation, mailing, and use of bombs; three counts of first-degree murder Criminal penalty 8 consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole Details Span of crimes 1978–1995 Killed 3 Injured 23 Date apprehended April 3, 1996 Scientific career Fields Complex analysis Institutions University of Michigan University of California, Berkeley Thesis Boundary Functions (1967) Doctoral advisor Allen Shields Signature Theodore Kaczynski signature.svg Theodore John Kaczynski (/kəˈzɪnski/ kə-ZIN-skee; May 22, 1942 – June 10, 2023), also known as the Unabomber (/ˈjuːnəbɒmər/), was an American mathematician and domestic terrorist.[1][2] He was a mathematics prodigy, but abandoned his academic career in 1969 to pursue a primitive lifestyle. Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski murdered three individuals and injured 23 others in a nationwide mail bombing campaign against people he believed to be advancing modern technology and the destruction of the natural environment. He authored Industrial Society and Its Future, a 35,000-word manifesto and social critique opposing industrialization, rejecting leftism, and advocating for a nature-centered form of anarchism.[3] In 1971, Kaczynski moved to a remote cabin without electricity or running water near Lincoln, Montana, where he lived as a recluse while learning survival skills to become self-sufficient. After witnessing the destruction of the wilderness surrounding his cabin, he concluded that living in nature was becoming impossible and resolved to fight industrialization and its destruction of nature through terrorism. In 1979, Kaczynski became the subject of what was, by the time of his arrest, the longest and most expensive investigation in the history of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The FBI used the case identifier UNABOM (University and Airline Bomber) before his identity was known, resulting in the media naming him the "Unabomber". In 1995, Kaczynski sent a letter to The New York Times promising to "desist from terrorism" if the Times or The Washington Post published his manifesto, in which he argued that his bombings were extreme but necessary in attracting attention to the erosion of human freedom and dignity by modern technologies that require mass organization.[4] The FBI and U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno pushed for the publication of the essay, which appeared in The Washington Post in September 1995. Upon reading it, Kaczynski's brother, David, recognized the prose style and reported his suspicions to the FBI. After his arrest in 1996, Kaczynski—maintaining that he was sane—tried and failed to dismiss his court-appointed lawyers because they wished him to plead insanity to avoid the death penalty. He pleaded guilty to all charges in 1998 and was sentenced to eight consecutive life terms in prison without the possibility of parole. Kaczynski died in prison of a reported suicide on June 10, 2023.[5] Early life Childhood Photograph of Kaczynski's birth certificates and drivers licenses Kaczynski's birth certificate and several of his driver's licenses Theodore John Kaczynski was born in Chicago on May 22, 1942, to working-class parents Wanda Theresa (née Dombek) and Theodore Richard Kaczynski, a sausage maker.[6] The two were Polish Americans who were raised as Roman Catholics but later became atheists.[7] They married on April 11, 1939.[7] >From first to fourth grade (ages six to nine), Kaczynski attended Sherman Elementary School in Chicago, where administrators described him as healthy and well-adjusted.[8] In 1952, three years after David was born, the family moved to suburban Evergreen Park, Illinois, and Ted transferred to Evergreen Park Central Junior High School. After testing scored his IQ at 167,[9] he skipped the sixth grade. Kaczynski later described this as a pivotal event: previously he had socialized with his peers and was even a leader, but after skipping ahead of them he felt he did not fit in with the older children, who bullied him.[10] Neighbors in Evergreen Park later described the Kaczynski family as "civic-minded folks," one recalling the parents "sacrificed everything they had for their children."[7] Both Ted and David were intelligent, but Ted exceptionally so. Neighbors described him as a smart but lonely individual.[7][11] High school Photograph of Kaczynski in high school with three boys and a girl Kaczynski (bottom right) with other merit scholarship finalists from his high school Kaczynski attended Evergreen Park Community High School, where he excelled academically. He played the trombone in the marching band and was a member of the mathematics, biology, coin, and German clubs.[12][13] In 1996, a former classmate said: "He was never really seen as a person, as an individual personality ... He was always regarded as a walking brain, so to speak."[7] During this period, Kaczynski became intensely interested in mathematics, spending hours studying and solving advanced problems. He became associated with a group of like-minded boys interested in science and mathematics, known as the "briefcase boys" for their habit of carrying briefcases.[13] Throughout high school, Kaczynski was ahead of his classmates academically. Placed in a more advanced mathematics class, he soon mastered the material. He skipped the eleventh grade, and by attending summer school, he graduated at age 15. Kaczynski was one of his school's five National Merit finalists and was encouraged to apply to Harvard University.[12] While still at age 15, he was accepted to Harvard and entered the university on a scholarship in 1958 at age 16.[14] A classmate later said Kaczynski was emotionally unprepared: "They packed him up and sent him to Harvard before he was ready ... He didn't even have a driver's license."[7] Harvard University Kaczynski's diplomas from Harvard University and the University of Michigan During his first year at Harvard, Kaczynski lived at 8 Prescott Street, which was intended to provide a small, intimate living space for the youngest, most precocious incoming students. For the following three years, he lived at Eliot House. His housemates and other students at Harvard described Kaczynski as a very intelligent but socially reserved person.[15] Kaczynski earned his Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics from Harvard in 1962, finishing with a GPA of 3.12.[16][17][18] Psychological study In his second year at Harvard, Kaczynski participated in a study described by author Alston Chase as a "purposely brutalizing psychological experiment" led by Harvard psychologist Henry Murray. Subjects were told they would debate personal philosophy with a fellow student and were asked to write essays detailing their personal beliefs and aspirations. The essays were given to an anonymous individual who would confront and belittle the subject in what Murray himself called "vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive" attacks, using the content of the essays as ammunition.[19] Electrodes monitored the subject's physiological reactions. These encounters were filmed, and subjects' expressions of anger and rage were later played back to them repeatedly.[19] The experiment lasted three years, with someone verbally abusing and humiliating Kaczynski each week.[20][21] Kaczynski spent 200 hours as part of the study.[22] Kaczynski's lawyers later attributed his hostility towards mind control techniques to his participation in Murray's study.[19] During the Second World War, Murray worked with the Office of Strategic Services, a U.S. intelligence agency often referred to as the predecessor to the CIA, where he conducted psychological experiments.[23] Some sources have suggested that Murray's experiments were part of Project MKUltra, the Central Intelligence Agency's program of research into mind control.[24][25] Chase and others have also suggested that this experience may have motivated Kaczynski's criminal activities.[26][27] Kaczynski stated he resented Murray and his co-workers, primarily because of the invasion of his privacy he perceived as a result of their experiments. Nevertheless, he said he was "quite confident that [his] experiences with Professor Murray had no significant effect on the course of [his] life."[28] Mathematics career A man in a suit faces the camera while he stands in front of a building. Kaczynski as an assistant professor at UC Berkeley in 1968 In 1962, Kaczynski enrolled at the University of Michigan, where he earned his master's and doctoral degrees in mathematics in 1964 and 1967, respectively. Michigan was not his first choice for postgraduate education; he had applied to the University of California, Berkeley, and the University of Chicago, both of which accepted him but offered him no teaching position or financial aid. Michigan offered him an annual grant of $2,310 (equivalent to $22,348 in 2022) and a teaching post.[18] At Michigan, Kaczynski specialized in complex analysis, specifically geometric function theory. Professor Peter Duren said of Kaczynski, "He was an unusual person. He was not like the other graduate students. He was much more focused about his work. He had a drive to discover mathematical truth." George Piranian, another of his Michigan mathematics professors, said, "It is not enough to say he was smart."[29] Professor Allen Shields wrote about Kaczynski in a grade evaluation that he was the "best man I have seen."[30] Kaczynski received 1 F, 5 Bs and 12 As in his 18 courses at the university. In 2006, he said he had unpleasant memories of Michigan and felt the university had low standards for grading, as evidenced by his relatively high grades.[18] For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist, but changed his mind in the waiting room and did not disclose his reason for making the appointment. Afterwards, enraged, he considered killing the psychiatrist and other people whom he hated. Kaczynski described this episode as a "major turning point" in his life:[31][32][33] "I felt disgusted about what my uncontrolled sexual cravings had almost led me to do. And I felt humiliated, and I violently hated the psychiatrist. Just then there came a major turning point in my life. Like a Phoenix, I burst from the ashes of my despair to a glorious new hope."[32] In 1967, Kaczynski's dissertation Boundary Functions[34] won the Sumner B. Myers Prize for Michigan's best mathematics dissertation of the year.[7] Allen Shields, his doctoral advisor, called it "the best I have ever directed,"[18] and Maxwell Reade, a member of his dissertation committee, said, "I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 men in the country understood or appreciated it."[7][29] In late 1967, the 25-year-old Kaczynski became an acting assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley, where he taught mathematics. By September 1968, Kaczynski was appointed as an assistant professor, a sign that he was on track for tenure.[7] His teaching evaluations suggest he was not well-liked by his students: he seemed uncomfortable teaching, taught straight from the textbook and refused to answer questions.[7] Without any explanation, Kaczynski resigned on June 30, 1969.[34] In a 1970 letter written by the chairman of the mathematics department, John W. Addison Jr., to Kaczynski's doctoral advisor Shields, Addison referred to the resignation as "quite out of the blue,"[35][36] and, markedly, added that "Kaczynski seemed almost pathologically shy," and that as far as he knew Kaczynski made no close friends in the department, furthermore noting that efforts to bring him more into the 'swing of things' had failed.[37][38] In 1996, reporters for the Los Angeles Times interviewed mathematicians about Kaczynski's work and concluded that Kaczynski's subfield effectively ceased to exist after the 1960s as most of its conjectures were proven. According to mathematician Donald Rung, if Kaczynski had continued to work in mathematics he "probably would have gone on to some other area".[34] Life in Montana Photograph of Kaczynski's Bible Bible belonging to Kaczynski, found in his cabin After resigning from Berkeley, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois. Two years later, in 1971, he moved to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[39] working odd jobs and receiving significant financial support from his family.[7] Kaczynski's cabin, photographed in 1996 Kaczynski's original goal was to become self-sufficient so he could live autonomously. He used an old bicycle to get to town, and a volunteer at the local library said he visited frequently to read classic works in their original languages. Other Lincoln residents said later that such a lifestyle was not unusual in the area.[40] Kaczynski's cabin was described by a census taker in the 1990 census as containing a bed, two chairs, storage trunks, a gas stove, and lots of books.[12] Starting in 1975, Kaczynski performed acts of sabotage including arson and booby trapping against developments near to his cabin.[41] He also dedicated himself to reading about sociology and political philosophy, including the works of Jacques Ellul.[19] Kaczynski's brother David later stated that Ellul's book The Technological Society "became Ted's Bible".[42] Kaczynski recounted in 1998, "When I read the book for the first time, I was delighted, because I thought, 'Here is someone who is saying what I have already been thinking.'"[19] In an interview after his arrest, Kaczynski recalled being shocked on a hike to one of his favorite wild spots:[43] It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it ... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge. Kaczynski was visited multiple times in Montana by his father, who was impressed by Ted's wilderness skills. Kaczynski's father was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer in 1990 and held a family meeting without Kaczynski later that year to map out their future.[12] On October 2, 1990, Kaczynski's father shot and killed himself in his home.[44] Bombings Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others. Sixteen bombs were attributed to Kaczynski. While the bombing devices varied widely through the years, many contained the initials "FC", which Kaczynski later said stood for "Freedom Club",[45] inscribed on parts inside. He purposely left misleading clues in the devices and took extreme care in preparing them to avoid leaving fingerprints; fingerprints found on some of the devices did not match those found on letters attributed to Kaczynski.[46][a] Bombings carried out by Kaczynski[47][48] Date State Location Detonation Victim(s) Occupation of victim(s) Injuries May 25, 1978 Illinois Northwestern University Yes Terry Marker University police officer Minor cuts and burns May 9, 1979 Yes John Harris Graduate student Minor cuts and burns November 15, 1979 American Airlines Flight 444 from Chicago to Washington, D.C. (explosion occurred midflight) Yes Twelve passengers Multiple Non-lethal smoke inhalation June 10, 1980 Lake Forest Yes Percy Wood President of United Airlines Severe cuts and burns over most of body and face October 8, 1981 Utah University of Utah Bomb defused — — — May 5, 1982 Tennessee Vanderbilt University Yes Janet Smith University secretary Severe burns to hands; shrapnel wounds to body July 2, 1982 California University of California, Berkeley Yes Diogenes Angelakos Engineering professor Severe burns and shrapnel wounds to hand and face May 15, 1985 Yes John Hauser Graduate student Loss of four fingers and severed artery in right arm; partial loss of vision in left eye June 13, 1985 Washington The Boeing Company in Auburn Bomb defused — — — November 15, 1985 Michigan University of Michigan Yes James V. McConnell Psychology professor Temporary hearing loss Yes Nicklaus Suino Research assistant Burns and shrapnel wounds December 11, 1985 California Sacramento Yes Hugh Scrutton Computer store owner Death February 20, 1987 Utah Salt Lake City Yes Gary Wright Computer store owner Severe nerve damage to left arm June 22, 1993 California Tiburon Yes Charles Epstein Geneticist Severe damage to both eardrums with partial hearing loss, loss of three fingers June 24, 1993 Connecticut Yale University Yes David Gelernter Computer science professor Severe burns and shrapnel wounds, damage to right eye, loss of use of right hand December 10, 1994 New Jersey North Caldwell Yes Thomas J. Mosser Advertising executive at Burson-Marsteller Death April 24, 1995 California Sacramento Yes Gilbert Brent Murray Timber industry lobbyist Death Initial bombings Kaczynski's first mail bomb was directed at Buckley Crist, a professor of materials engineering at Northwestern University. On May 25, 1978, a package bearing Crist's return address was found in a parking lot at the University of Illinois at Chicago. The package was "returned" to Crist, who was suspicious because he had not sent it, so he contacted campus police. Officer Terry Marker opened the package, which exploded and caused minor injuries.[49] Kaczynski had returned to Chicago for the May 1978 bombing and stayed there for a time to work with his father and brother at a foam rubber factory. In August 1978, his brother fired him for writing insulting limericks about a female supervisor Ted had courted briefly.[50][51] The supervisor later recalled Kaczynski as intelligent and quiet, but remembered little of their acquaintanceship and firmly denied they had had any romantic relationship.[52] Kaczynski's second bomb was sent nearly one year after the first one, again to Northwestern University. The bomb, concealed inside a cigar box and left on a table, caused minor injuries to graduate student John Harris when he opened it.[49] Driver's license photo of Kaczynski from 1978, around the time the first bombs were mailed FBI involvement In 1979, a bomb was placed in the cargo hold of American Airlines Flight 444, a Boeing 727 flying from Chicago to Washington, D.C. A faulty timing mechanism prevented the bomb from exploding, but it released smoke, which caused the pilots to carry out an emergency landing. Authorities said it had enough power to "obliterate the plane" had it exploded.[49] Kaczynski sent his next bomb to the president of United Airlines, Percy Wood. Wood received cuts and burns over most of his body.[53] Kaczynski left false clues in most bombs, which he intentionally made hard to find to make them appear more legitimate. Clues included metal plates stamped with the initials "FC" hidden somewhere (usually in the pipe end cap) in bombs, a note left in a bomb that did not detonate reading "Wu—It works! I told you it would—RV," and the Eugene O'Neill one-dollar stamps often used as postage on his boxes.[46][54][55] He sent one bomb embedded in a copy of Sloan Wilson's novel Ice Brothers.[49] The FBI theorized that Kaczynski's crimes involved a theme of nature, trees and wood. He often included bits of a tree branch and bark in his bombs; his selected targets included Percy Wood and Leroy Wood. The crime writer Robert Graysmith noted his "obsession with wood" was "a large factor" in the bombings.[56] Later bombings A bomb with wires in a wooden box An FBI reproduction of one of Kaczynski's bombs, once on display at the now-defunct Newseum in Washington, D.C. In 1981, a package bearing the return address of a Brigham Young University professor of electrical engineering, LeRoy Wood Bearnson, was discovered in a hallway at the University of Utah. It was brought to the campus police, and was defused by a bomb squad.[57][49] In May of the following year, a bomb was sent to Patrick C. Fischer, a professor of computer science at Vanderbilt University. When Fischer's secretary, Janet Smith, opened the package it exploded, and Smith received injuries to her face and arms.[49][58] Kaczynski's next two bombs targeted people at the University of California, Berkeley. The first, in July 1982, caused serious injuries to engineering professor Diogenes Angelakos.[49] Nearly three years later, in May 1985, John Hauser, a graduate student and captain in the United States Air Force, lost four fingers and the vision in one eye.[59] Kaczynski handcrafted the bomb from wooden parts.[60] A bomb sent to the Boeing Company in Auburn, Washington, was defused by a bomb squad the following month.[59] In November 1985, professor James V. McConnell and research assistant Nicklaus Suino were both severely injured after Suino opened a mail bomb addressed to McConnell.[59] In late 1985, a nail-and-splinter-loaded bomb in the parking lot of a computer store in Sacramento, California, killed 38-year-old owner of the store, Hugh Scrutton. On February 20, 1987, a bomb disguised as a piece of lumber injured Gary Wright in the parking lot of a computer store in Salt Lake City, Utah; nerves in Wright's left arm were severed, and at least 200 pieces of shrapnel entered his body. Kaczynski was spotted while planting the Salt Lake City bomb. This led to a widely distributed sketch of the suspect as a hooded man with a mustache and aviator sunglasses.[61][62] In 1993, after a six-year break, Kaczynski mailed a bomb to the home of Charles Epstein from the University of California, San Francisco. Epstein lost several fingers upon opening the package. In the same weekend, Kaczynski mailed a bomb to David Gelernter, a computer science professor at Yale University. Gelernter lost sight in one eye, hearing in one ear, and a portion of his right hand.[63] In 1994, Burson-Marsteller executive Thomas J. Mosser was killed after opening a mail bomb sent to his home in New Jersey. In a letter to The New York Times, Kaczynski wrote he had sent the bomb because of Mosser's work repairing the public image of Exxon after the Exxon Valdez oil spill.[64] This was followed by the 1995 murder of Gilbert Brent Murray, president of the timber industry lobbying group California Forestry Association, by a mail bomb addressed to previous president William Dennison, who had retired. Geneticist Phillip Sharp at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology received a threatening letter shortly afterwards.[63] Manifesto Photograph of a handwritten draft of Industrial Society and Its Future The handwritten draft of Industrial Society and Its Future Main article: Unabomber Manifesto Part of a series on Green anarchism Green and Black flag.svg Schools of thought Anarcho-primitivism Social ecology Veganarchism Theory and practice Anarchy Animal rights Anti-authoritarianism Anti-consumerism Bioregionalism Communalism Debate on violence Deep ecology Degrowth Direct action Do it yourself Ecovillages Freeganism Libertarian municipalism Lifestyle anarchism Neo-Luddism Neo-Malthusianism Original affluent society Primitive communism Radical environmentalism Refusal of work Rewilding Simple living People AbdelRahim Bari Biehl Bookchin Camenisch Carter Ellul Glendinning Gravelle Ilich Jensen Kaczynski Kohr Mannin Öcalan Perlman Puente Reclus Sale Semprún Snyder Thoreau Tolstoy Zerzan Zisly Books and publications Walden, or life in the woods Post-Scarcity Anarchism The Ecology of Freedom Future Primitive and Other Essays Green Anarchist Unabomber Manifesto Related topics Anarchism Anti-capitalism Anti-consumerism Eco-socialism Green politics Libertarian socialism Naturism flag Anarchism portal Aegopodium podagraria1 ies.jpg Environment portal A coloured voting box.svg Politics portal v t e In 1995, Kaczynski mailed several letters to media outlets outlining his goals and demanding a major newspaper print his 35,000-word essay Industrial Society and Its Future (dubbed the "Unabomber manifesto" by the FBI) verbatim.[65][66] He stated he would "desist from terrorism" if this demand was met.[4][67][68] There was controversy as to whether the essay should be published, but Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh recommended its publication out of concern for public safety and in the hope that a reader could identify the author. Bob Guccione of Penthouse volunteered to publish it. Kaczynski replied Penthouse was less "respectable" than The New York Times and The Washington Post, and said that, "to increase our chances of getting our stuff published in some 'respectable' periodical", he would "reserve the right to plant one (and only one) bomb intended to kill, after our manuscript has been published" if Penthouse published the document instead of The Times or The Post.[69] The Washington Post published the essay on September 19, 1995.[70][71] Kaczynski used a typewriter to write his manuscript, capitalizing entire words for emphasis, in lieu of italics. He always referred to himself as either "we" or "FC" ("Freedom Club"), though there is no evidence that he worked with others. Donald Wayne Foster analyzed the writing at the request of Kaczynski's defense team in 1996 and noted that it contained irregular spelling and hyphenation, along with other linguistic idiosyncrasies. This led him to conclude that Kaczynski was its author.[72] Summary Industrial Society and Its Future begins with Kaczynski's assertion: "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."[73][74] He writes that technology has had a destabilizing effect on society, has made life unfulfilling, and has caused widespread psychological suffering.[75] Kaczynski argues that most people spend their time engaged in useless pursuits because of technological advances; he calls these "surrogate activities", wherein people strive toward artificial goals, including scientific work, consumption of entertainment, political activism and following sports teams.[75] He predicts that further technological advances will lead to extensive human genetic engineering, and that human beings will be adjusted to meet the needs of social systems, rather than vice versa.[75] Kaczynski states that technological progress can be stopped, in contrast to the viewpoint of people who he says understand technology's negative effects yet passively accept technology as inevitable.[76] He calls for a return to primitivist lifestyles.[75] Kaczynski's critiques of civilization bear some similarities to anarcho-primitivism, but he rejected and criticized anarcho-primitivist views.[77][78][79] Kaczynski argued that the erosion of human freedom is a natural product of an industrial society because "the system has to regulate human behavior closely in order to function", and that reform of the system is impossible as drastic changes to it would not be implemented because of their disruption of the system.[80] He states that the system has not yet fully achieved control over all human behavior and is in the midst of a struggle to gain that control. Kaczynski predicts that the system will break down if it cannot achieve significant control, and that it is likely this issue will be decided within the next 40 to 100 years.[80] He states that the task of those who oppose industrial society is to promote stress within and upon the society and to propagate an anti-technology ideology, one that offers the "counter-ideal" of nature. Kaczynski goes on to say that a revolution will be possible only when industrial society is sufficiently unstable.[80] A significant portion of the document is dedicated to discussing left-wing politics, with Kaczynski attributing many of society's issues to leftists.[80] He defines leftists as "mainly socialists, collectivists, 'politically correct' types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like".[81] He believes that over-socialization and feelings of inferiority are primary drivers of leftism,[75] and derides it as "one of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of our world".[81] Kaczynski adds that the type of movement he envisions must be anti-leftist and refrain from collaboration with leftists, as, in his view, "leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology".[73] Although Kaczynski and his manifesto has been embraced by ecofascists,[82] he rejected fascism,[83] including "the 'ecofascists'", describing ecofascism as 'an aberrant branch of leftism':[84][85] The true anti-tech movement rejects every form of racism or ethnocentrism. This has nothing to do with "tolerance," "diversity," "pluralism," "multiculturalism," "equality," or "social justice." The rejection of racism and ethnocentrism is - purely and simply - a cardinal point of strategy.[84] Kaczynski wrote that he considered fascism a "kook ideology" and Nazism as "evil".[83] Kaczynski never tried to align himself with the far-right at any point before or after his arrest.[83] He also criticizes conservatives, describing them as "fools who whine about the decay of traditional values, yet ... enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth"—things he argues have led to this decay.[81] Contemporary reception James Q. Wilson, in a 1998 New York Times Op-Ed, wrote: "If it is the work of a madman, then the writings of many political philosophers—Jean Jacques Rousseau, Thomas Paine, Karl Marx—are scarcely more sane."[86] "The Unabomber does not like socialization, technology, leftist political causes or conservative attitudes. Apart from his call for an (unspecified) revolution, his paper resembles something that a very good graduate student might have written."[87] Alston Chase, a fellow alumnus at Harvard University, wrote in 2000 for The Atlantic that "it is true that many believed Kaczynski was insane because they needed to believe it. But the truly disturbing aspect of Kaczynski and his ideas is not that they are so foreign but that they are so familiar." He argued that "We need to see Kaczynski as exceptional—madman or genius—because the alternative is so much more frightening."[88] Other works University of Michigan–Dearborn philosophy professor David Skrbina helped to compile Kaczynski's work into the 2010 anthology Technological Slavery, including the original manifesto, letters between Skrbina and Kaczynski, and other essays.[89] Kaczynski updated his 1995 manifesto as Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How to address advances in computers and the internet. He advocates practicing other types of protest and makes no mention of violence.[90] According to a 2021 study, Kaczynski's manifesto "is a synthesis of ideas from three well-known academics: French philosopher Jacques Ellul, British zoologist Desmond Morris, and American psychologist Martin Seligman."[91] Investigation FBI poster offering a $1 million reward for information leading to the Unabomber's capture FBI poster offering a $1 million reward for information leading to the Unabomber's capture Because of the material used to make the mail bombs, U.S. postal inspectors, who initially had responsibility for the case, labeled the suspect the "Junkyard Bomber".[92] FBI Inspector Terry D. Turchie was appointed to run the UNABOM (University and Airline Bomber) investigation.[93] In 1979, an FBI-led task force that included 125 agents from the FBI, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service was formed.[93] The task force grew to more than 150 full-time personnel, but minute analysis of recovered components of the bombs and the investigation into the lives of the victims proved of little use in identifying the suspect, who built the bombs primarily from scrap materials available almost anywhere. Investigators later learned that the victims were chosen indiscriminately from library research.[94] In 1980, chief agent John Douglas, working with agents in the FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit, issued a psychological profile of the unidentified bomber. It described the offender as a man with above-average intelligence and connections to academia. This profile was later refined to characterize the offender as a neo-Luddite holding an academic degree in the hard sciences, but this psychologically based profile was discarded in 1983. FBI analysts developed an alternative theory that concentrated on the physical evidence in recovered bomb fragments. In this rival profile, the suspect was characterized as a blue-collar airplane mechanic.[95] The UNABOMB Task Force set up a toll-free telephone hotline to take calls related to the investigation, with a $1 million reward for anyone who could provide information leading to the Unabomber's capture.[96] Before the publication of Industrial Society and Its Future, Kaczynski's brother, David, was encouraged by his wife to follow up on suspicions that Ted was the Unabomber.[97] David was dismissive at first, but he took the likelihood more seriously after reading the manifesto a week after it was published in September 1995. He searched through old family papers and found letters dating to the 1970s that Ted had sent to newspapers to protest the abuses of technology using phrasing similar to that in the manifesto.[98] Before the manifesto's publication, the FBI held many press conferences asking the public to help identify the Unabomber. They were convinced that the bomber was from the Chicago area where he began his bombings, had worked in or had some connection to Salt Lake City, and by the 1990s had some association with the San Francisco Bay Area. This geographical information and the wording in excerpts from the manifesto that were released before the entire text of the manifesto was published persuaded David's wife to urge him to read it.[99][100] After publication After the manifesto was published, the FBI received thousands of leads in response to its offer of a reward for information leading to the identification of the Unabomber.[100] While the FBI reviewed new leads, Kaczynski's brother David hired private investigator Susan Swanson in Chicago to investigate Ted's activities discreetly.[101] David later hired Washington, D.C. attorney Tony Bisceglie to organize the evidence acquired by Swanson and contact the FBI, given the presumed difficulty of attracting the FBI's attention. Kaczynski's family wanted to protect him from the danger of an FBI raid, such as those at Ruby Ridge or Waco, since they feared a violent outcome from any attempt by the FBI to contact Kaczynski.[102][103] In early 1996, an investigator working with Bisceglie contacted former FBI hostage negotiator and criminal profiler Clinton R. Van Zandt. Bisceglie asked him to compare the manifesto to typewritten copies of handwritten letters David had received from his brother. Van Zandt's initial analysis determined that there was better than a 60 percent chance that the same person had written the manifesto, which had been in public circulation for half a year. Van Zandt's second analytical team determined a higher likelihood. He recommended Bisceglie's client contact the FBI immediately.[102] In February 1996, Bisceglie gave a copy of the 1971 essay written by Ted Kaczynski to Molly Flynn at the FBI.[93] She forwarded the essay to the San Francisco-based task force. FBI profiler James R. Fitzgerald[104][105] recognized similarities in the writings using linguistic analysis and determined that the author of the essays and the manifesto was almost certainly the same person. Combined with facts gleaned from the bombings and Kaczynski's life, the analysis provided the basis for an affidavit signed by Terry Turchie, the head of the entire investigation, in support of the application for a search warrant.[93] David Kaczynski had tried to remain anonymous, but he was soon identified. Within a few days an FBI agent team was dispatched to interview David and his wife with their attorney in Washington, D.C. At this and subsequent meetings, David provided letters written by his brother in their original envelopes, allowing the FBI task force to use the postmark dates to add more detail to their timeline of Ted's activities. David developed a respectful relationship with behavioral analysis Special Agent Kathleen M. Puckett, whom he met many times in Washington, D.C., Texas, Chicago, and Schenectady, New York, over the nearly two months before the federal search warrant was served on Kaczynski's cabin.[106] David had once admired and emulated his older brother but had since left the survivalist lifestyle behind.[107] He had received assurances from the FBI that he would remain anonymous and that his brother would not learn who had turned him in, but his identity was leaked to CBS News in early April 1996. CBS anchorman Dan Rather called FBI director Louis Freeh, who requested 24 hours before CBS broke the story on the evening news. The FBI scrambled to finish the search warrant and have it issued by a federal judge in Montana; afterwards, the FBI conducted an internal leak investigation, but the source of the leak was never identified.[107] FBI officials were not unanimous in identifying Ted as the author of the manifesto. The search warrant noted that several experts believed the manifesto had been written by another individual.[46] Arrest Photograph of a handcuffed Kaczynski being led from a cabin by a man Kaczynski's arrest FBI agents arrested an unkempt Kaczynski at his cabin on April 3, 1996. A search revealed a cache of bomb components, 40,000 hand-written journal pages that included bomb-making experiments, descriptions of the Unabomber crimes and one live bomb. They also found what appeared to be the original typed manuscript of Industrial Society and Its Future.[108][109] By this point, the Unabomber had been the target of the most expensive investigation in FBI history at the time.[110][111] A 2000 report by the United States Commission on the Advancement of Federal Law Enforcement stated that the task force had spent over $50 million throughout the course of the investigation.[112] After his capture, theories emerged naming Kaczynski as the Zodiac Killer, who murdered five people in Northern California from 1968 to 1969. Among the links that raised suspicion was that Kaczynski lived in the San Francisco Bay Area from 1967 to 1969 (the same period that most of the Zodiac's confirmed killings occurred in California), that both individuals were highly intelligent with an interest in bombs and codes, and that both wrote letters to newspapers demanding the publication of their works with the threat of continued violence if the demand was not met. Additionally, Kaczynski's whereabouts could not be verified for all of the killings. Since the gun and knife murders committed by the Zodiac Killer differed from Kaczynski's bombings, authorities did not pursue him as a suspect. Robert Graysmith, author of the 1986 book Zodiac, said the similarities are "fascinating" but purely coincidental.[113] At one point in 1993 investigators sought an individual whose first name was "Nathan" because the name was imprinted on the envelope of a letter sent to the media.[54] Guilty plea 1996 mugshot of Ted Kaczynski U.S. Marshals Service mugshot of Kaczynski, 1996 A federal grand jury indicted Kaczynski in June 1996 on ten counts of illegally transporting, mailing, and using bombs.[114] Kaczynski's lawyers, headed by Montana federal public defenders Michael Donahoe and Judy Clarke, attempted to enter an insanity defense to avoid the death penalty, but Kaczynski rejected this strategy. On January 8, 1998, he asked to dismiss his lawyers and hire Tony Serra as his counsel; Serra had agreed not to use an insanity defense and instead promised to base a defense on Kaczynski's anti-technology views.[115][116][117] After this request was unsuccessful, Kaczynski tried to kill himself on January 9.[118] Sally Johnson, the psychiatrist who examined Kaczynski, concluded that he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.[119] Forensic psychiatrist Park Dietz said Kaczynski was not psychotic but had a schizoid or schizotypal personality disorder.[120] In his 2010 book Technological Slavery, Kaczynski said that two prison psychologists who visited him frequently for four years told him they saw no indication that he suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and the diagnosis was "ridiculous" and a "political diagnosis".[121] Some contemporary authors suggested that multiple people, most notably Kaczynski's brother and mother, purposely spread the image of Kaczynski as mentally ill with the aim to save him from execution.[122] On January 21, 1998, Kaczynski was declared competent to stand trial by federal prison psychiatrist Johnson, "despite the psychiatric diagnoses".[123] As he was fit to stand trial, prosecutors sought the death penalty, but Kaczynski avoided that by pleading guilty to all charges on January 22, 1998, and accepting life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. He later tried to withdraw this plea, arguing it was involuntary as he had been coerced to plead guilty by the judge. Judge Garland Ellis Burrell Jr. denied his request, and the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit upheld that decision.[124][125] In 2006, Burrell ordered that items from Kaczynski's cabin be sold at a "reasonably advertised Internet auction". Items considered to be bomb-making materials, such as diagrams and "recipes" for bombs, were excluded. The net proceeds went towards the $15 million in restitution Burrell had awarded Kaczynski's victims.[126] Kaczynski's correspondence and other personal papers were also auctioned.[127][128][129] Burrell ordered the removal, before sale, of references in those documents to Kaczynski's victims; Kaczynski unsuccessfully challenged those redactions as a violation of his freedom of speech.[130][131][132] The auction ran for two weeks in 2011, and raised over $232,000.[133] Incarceration and death Photograph of Kaczynski in prison Kaczynski in prison (1999) Almost immediately after being convicted, Kaczynski began serving his eight life sentences without the possibility of parole at ADX Florence, a supermax prison in Florence, Colorado.[130][134] Early in his imprisonment, Kaczynski befriended Ramzi Yousef and Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, respectively. The trio discussed religion and politics and formed a friendship which lasted until McVeigh's execution in 2001.[135] In October 2005, Kaczynski offered to donate two rare books to the Melville J. Herskovits Library of African Studies at Northwestern University's campus in Evanston, Illinois, the location of his first two attacks. The library rejected the offer on the grounds that it already had copies of the works.[136] The Labadie Collection, part of the University of Michigan's Special Collections Library, houses Kaczynski's correspondence with over 400 people since his arrest, including replies, legal documents, publications, and clippings.[137][138] His writings are among the most popular selections in the University of Michigan's special collections.[89] The identity of most correspondents will remain sealed until 2049.[137][139] In 2012, Kaczynski responded to the Harvard Alumni Association's directory inquiry for the fiftieth reunion of the class of 1962; he listed his occupation as "prisoner" and his eight life sentences as "awards".[140] In 2011, it was reported that Kaczynski was a person of interest in the Chicago Tylenol murders. Kaczynski was willing to provide a DNA sample to the FBI, but later withheld it as a bargaining chip for his legal efforts against the FBI's private auction of his confiscated property.[141] The U.S. government seized Kaczynski's cabin, which they put on display at the Newseum in Washington, D.C., until late 2019, when it was transferred to a nearby FBI museum.[142][143] On December 14, 2021, the 79-year-old Kaczynski was transferred from the supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, to the Federal Medical Center, Butner, North Carolina, for health reasons.[144] At 12:23 a.m. on June 10, 2023, emergency workers were called to Kaczynski's cell after he was found unresponsive. He could not be revived, and was transferred to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead at the age of 81.[145] His death was publicly announced by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Prison officials believe he committed suicide.[146] Legacy Kaczynski has been portrayed in and inspired multiple artistic works in the realm of popular culture.[147] These include the 1996 television film Unabomber: The True Story,[148] the 2011 play P.O. Box Unabomber,[149] Manhunt: Unabomber, the 2017 season of the television series Manhunt[150] and in 2021 the movie Ted K. The moniker "Unabomber" was also applied to the Italian Unabomber, a terrorist who conducted attacks similar to Kaczynski's in Italy from 1994 to 2006.[151] Prior to the 1996 United States presidential election, a campaign called "Unabomber for President" was launched with the goal of electing Kaczynski as president through write-in votes.[152] He was portrayed by Sharlto Copley in the 2021 film Ted K.[153][154] In his book The Age of Spiritual Machines (1999), futurist Ray Kurzweil quoted a passage from Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future.[155] In turn, Kaczynski was referenced by Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, in the 2000 Wired article "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us". Joy stated Kaczynski "is clearly a Luddite, but simply saying this does not dismiss his argument".[156][157] Professor Jean-Marie Apostolidès has raised questions surrounding the ethics of spreading Kaczynski's views.[158] Various radical movements and extremists have been influenced by Kaczynski.[91] People inspired by Kaczynski's ideas show up in unexpected places, from nihilist, anarchist and eco-extremist movements to conservative intellectuals.[45] Anders Behring Breivik, the far-right perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks,[159] published a manifesto which copied large portions from Industrial Society and Its Future, with certain terms substituted (e.g., replacing "leftists" with "cultural Marxists" and "multiculturalists").[160][161] Over twenty years after Kaczynski's imprisonment, his views had inspired an online community of primitivists and neo-Luddites. One explanation for the renewal of interest in his views is the television series Manhunt: Unabomber, which aired in 2017.[162] Kaczynski is also frequently referred to by ecofascists online.[163] Although some militant fascist and neo-Nazi groups idolize him, Kaczynski described fascism in his manifesto as a "kook ideology" and Nazism as "evil".[162] United States Attorney General Merrick Garland has cited the Unabomber case as among the most important cases he worked on.[164] Published works Mathematical Kaczynski, Theodore (June–July 1964). "Another Proof of Wedderburn's Theorem". American Mathematical Monthly. 71 (6): 652–653. doi:10.2307/2312328. JSTOR 2312328. A proof of Wedderburn's little theorem in abstract algebra —— (June–July 1964). "Advanced Problem 5210". American Mathematical Monthly. 71 (6): 689. doi:10.2307/2312349. JSTOR 2312349. A challenge problem in abstract algebra —— (June–July 1965). "Distributivity and (−1)x = −x (Advanced Problem 5210, with Solution by Bilyeu, R.G.)". American Mathematical Monthly. 72 (6): 677–678. doi:10.2307/2313887. JSTOR 2313887. Reprint and solution to "Advanced Problem 5210" (above) —— (July 1965). "Boundary Functions for Functions Defined in a Disk". Journal of Mathematics and Mechanics. 14 (4): 589–612. —— (November 1966). "On a Boundary Property of Continuous Functions". Michigan Mathematical Journal. 13 (3): 313–320. doi:10.1307/mmj/1031732782. —— (1967). Boundary Functions (PDF) (PhD). University of Michigan. Kaczynski's doctoral dissertation. Complete dissertation available for purchase from ProQuest, with publication number 6717790. —— (March–April 1968). "Note on a Problem of Alan Sutcliffe". Mathematics Magazine. 41 (2): 84–86. doi:10.2307/2689056. JSTOR 2689056. A brief paper in number theory concerning the digits of numbers —— (March 1969). "Boundary Functions for Bounded Harmonic Functions" (PDF). Transactions of the American Mathematical Society. 137: 203–209. doi:10.2307/1994796. JSTOR 1994796. Archived (PDF) from the original on January 16, 2017. —— (July 1969). "Boundary Functions and Sets of Curvilinear Convergence for Continuous Functions" (PDF). Transactions of the American Mathematical Society. 141: 107–125. doi:10.2307/1995093. JSTOR 1995093. Archived (PDF) from the original on August 12, 2017. —— (November 1969). "The Set of Curvilinear Convergence of a Continuous Function Defined in the Interior of a Cube" (PDF). Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society. 23 (2): 323–327. doi:10.2307/2037166. JSTOR 2037166. Archived (PDF) from the original on August 2, 2017. —— (January–February 1971). "Problem 787". Mathematics Magazine. 44 (1): 41. doi:10.2307/2688865. JSTOR 2688865. A challenge problem in geometry —— (November–December 1971). "A Match Stick Problem (Problem 787, with Solutions by Gibbs, R.A. and Breisch, R.L.)". Mathematics Magazine. 44 (5): 294–296. doi:10.2307/2688646. JSTOR 2688646. Reprint and solutions to "Problem 787" (above) Philosophical Kaczynski, Theodore (1995). Industrial Society and Its Future. The Washington Post. Kaczynski, Theodore (2008). The Road to Revolution. Éditions Xenia. ISBN 978-2-888920-65-6. —— (2010). Technological Slavery (revised and expanded 2nd ed.). Feral House. ISBN 978-1-932595-80-2. —— (2019). Technological Slavery: Volume 1 (revised and expanded 3rd ed.). Fitch & Madison Publishers. ISBN 978-1-944228-01-9. —— (2022). Technological Slavery: Volume 1 (enhanced 4th ed.). Fitch & Madison Publishers. ISBN 978-1-944228-03-3. Kaczynski, Theodore (2016). Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How. Fitch & Madison Publishers. ISBN 978-1-944228-00-2. —— (2020). Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How (revised and expanded 2nd ed.). Fitch & Madison Publishers. ISBN 978-1-944228-02-6. See also iconPolitics portal iconMathematics portal flagUnited States portal Biography portal Downshifting – Choosing to adopt a simpler way of living Green Scare – US government action against the radical environmental movement How to Blow Up a Pipeline – Book about climate activism by Andreas Malm Lewis Mumford – American scholar and writer (1895–1990) Operation Backfire – Multi agency operation against criminal actions by the radical environmental movement Philosophy of technology – Studies of the nature of technology The Question Concerning Technology – 1954 non-fiction book by Martin Heidegger Notes As stated in the "Additional Findings" section of the FBI affidavit, where a balanced listing of other uncorrelated evidence and contrary determinations also appeared, "203. Latent fingerprints attributable to devices mailed and/or placed by the UNABOM subject were compared to those found on the letters attributed to Theodore Kaczynski. 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Our Norwegian Legions
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 11 Jun '23

11 Jun '23

Our Norwegian legions https://twitter.com/ryanberckmans/status/1667701288828649472?cxt=HHwWgIC-gZ… Picture a universe where your local bank and the decentralized finance world cross paths, allowing you to buy and sell stocks using a digital currency tied to the Norwegian Krone. This isn't make-believe — it's a reality we're actively shaping with the Norwegian government,” Symfoni said. The Arbitrum-based NOK token is programmable, enabling “anonymous transactions with stealth addresses . . . 17 minutes ago – Limited Arbitrum Onboards Norway’s Digital Krone Leading Layer 2 Network Is Processing More Daily Transactions Than Ethereum By: Samuel Haig June 09, 2023 . . . " Reposts not cheap ads for bankster land grabs

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Cryptocurrency: US And Govts Suicidally Sowing The Seeds Of The Crypto Revolt That Will End World Govts
by grarpamp 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

Freedom is getting VERY pissed off with the USA and Govts around the world... when the mass of Commoners get angry with what Govts are doing, with the Oppression and Destruction of their Human Freedom, they revolt. The CryptoRevolution is coming, soon. Be ready to fight, for Freedom. Honestly - bash the US government by TemporaryCitron9271 As for me, what has been going on lately is one big manipulation. And once again caused by the US. I don't know what exactly it aims at but it certainly doesn't help people and even hits them. I hope things will quickly turn around. And laws regarding cryptocurrencies if any more should be addressed and discussed in the international market. In the casino - you can leave money, drugs in the states - as much as possible, disrespect for the environment in the states - as much as possible. After all, the government gets cash from the citizens from profit tax anyway. What else do they want. And let it all go to the muzzle [–]Dubby635 25 points26 points27 points 8 hours ago (15 children) The US is always heavy on "FREEDOM FOR ALL" but not when it comes to crypto permalink embed save report give award reply [–]PoPoChaoTin 8 points9 points10 points 4 hours ago (3 children) The US maybe used to be all about freedom. But it’s becoming more and more authoritarian. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Always_QuestionPlatinum | QC: CC 1076, ETH 477, BTC 115 | TraderSubs 21 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Sad but true. Crypto the outlet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Twelvety 1 point2 points3 points 10 minutes ago (1 child) It still is, but it was only ever about freedom for the US government and its interest. It just so happens it's repression for everyone else. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PoPoChaoTin [score hidden] 3 minutes ago (0 children) That’s a good point. However the United States government used to be a truer representation of the people. Government now is way too bloated and becoming a machine permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]X-Files22Platinum | QC: SOL 25 12 points13 points14 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Freedom for Congress to trade stocks etc with special information. Meanwhile the little guys get stepped on, stolen from and lectured to by the corrupt boomers as usual. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Legitimate_Suit_3431 3 points4 points5 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Political' are just a mafia group who uses police as enforcers. Hiding behind closed curtains doing grey shit everyday. while telling everyone to follow the law and know your place. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago (0 children) It is quite telling that most politicians in the US don‘t know their own laws, so obviously we will have this outcome. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SQUIRMANDESAUR 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) At least they are somewhat United in driving crypto away. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JustinTormund_10Tin 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (3 children) Not just crypto, anything that isn’t specifically geared towards benefiting the top 1%, at least since the Reagan administration. The US govt actively works against those in poverty and try’s to keep them poor to take advantage of their situation. Whether it be making homeless activities illegal, over-draft fees being legal, punishing low income earner more on their taxes than the rich, giving tax breaks to billionaires plane and yacht owners, list goes on forever. I mean the only people that were allowed to vote in the first place were rich white land owners. This country hates poor people. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Elegant_Tale_3929Platinum | QC: ATOM 27 1 point2 points3 points 57 minutes ago (2 children) Oh please, the US loves poor people, they just want them to know their place and stay poor working for the elites. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]JustinTormund_10Tin 1 point2 points3 points 53 minutes ago (1 child) Lol, love them so much they’ll kill em permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Elegant_Tale_3929Platinum | QC: ATOM 27 0 points1 point2 points 51 minutes ago (0 children) Of course, then they don't have to pay for Social Security and Medicare when they get old. Then market to 3rd world countries how "how many opportunities there are!" if their young adults come work here. They know exactly what they are doing. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]badfishbeefcakeSilver | QC: CC 100 | ADA 32 | PoliticalHumor 42 0 points1 point2 points 50 minutes ago (0 children) Freedom to do whatever you want when you are rich. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OmaerionTin -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children) The people permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ninja_Gogen -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago (0 children) "Freedom for all"* *Select few permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Whippoorwill88Tin | 6 months old 17 points18 points19 points 6 hours ago (1 child) The US government is trying in every way to crush the middle class and turn off all avenues of financial safety permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ourodialTin | r/WSB 14 2 points3 points4 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Then it's about time people fuck the government up, it's a completely dsyfunctional structure anyway. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Wide_big_tall 20 points21 points22 points 8 hours ago (21 children) What we are witnessing recently have one explanation only - SEC attacking US based exchanges - SEC trying to kick these exchanges out of US - SEC is paving way for FTX RESTART Q3/Q4 this year permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SQUIRMANDESAUR 12 points13 points14 points 8 hours ago (8 children) TLDR; SEC and US are doing their best to drive away crypto. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]mbdtf95 11 points12 points13 points 7 hours ago (1 child) Thank you SEC for protecting us, the buyers. Fucking clowns. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]laulau9025[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 7 hours ago (0 children) On the other hand in the US it's totally okay for companies to charge insane amounts for lifesaving medication (insulin, epi pen, ...) permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Kindly-Wolf6919 4 points5 points6 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Bet you'll see a CBDC being pushed at the end of all this....the US hates competition. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Wide_big_tall 4 points5 points6 points 7 hours ago (2 children) Let me rephrase it in a better way, SEC don’t want exchanges that they don’t have full control on, ( Binance is one of these exchanges ) That’s why they are showering Binance with lawsuits to push it out of US , so they can start with FTX clean ( no competitors ) It’s as clear as sunshine permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (1 child) If Binance goes out of the US costumers would still kind of illegally use it, instead of FTX. Only a madman would use FTX again. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Wide_big_tall -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children) Exactly only mad man And that’s why SEC is doing it’s best to keep pushing Binance out of the US permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rockiellow -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago (0 children) If they get left behind I’ll happily laugh and rub it in their faces as they buy high as our exit liquidity. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ResidentAssumption4Bronze | r/WSB 46 -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago (0 children) I think it’s more than that. It’s an entire movement. All of my progressive friends are mindlessly and vehemently against crypto now. They didn’t care about it until someone told them to. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ovettaTin 2 points3 points4 points 2 hours ago (1 child) Woah. FTX restart? Is that the rumor right now? I hadn’t heard that before. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Wide_big_tall 1 point2 points3 points 2 hours ago (0 children) Unfortunately it’s not rumors bro permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BeyonderrPlatinum | QC: CC 1253 8 points9 points10 points 8 hours ago (3 children) SEC: Protects us from Binance, Kraken, Coinbase SEC: Does not protect us from FTX, FTT, 3AC, Celsius, Luna I feel so safe right now. (/s) What a shitshow. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Wide_big_tall 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago (0 children) SEC have big plans ….. not for us permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Odysseus_Lannister 3 points4 points5 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Don’t forget they have to protect the stupid customers from themselves by limiting their choices but only so they don’t suffer from too much success. Please buy this CBDC so we know everything you do with your $$, it’s for your own good. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) You forgot Gemini in there. Only corporate losses is what matters /s. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]laulau9025[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago (0 children) If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck Here bribing aka "lobbying" was done permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]_redboy_Tin 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Rest assured, this is all a game.. they fill their pockets with this crypto, they don't make the rules, because making the rules doesn't allow them to steal. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Odysseus_Lannister 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) FTX 2: electric boogaloo. This time it’s personal permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rootplMoonwalker 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (2 children) Or (tinfoil hat on) they manipulate the whole thing to buy cheap and make a buck later? (tinfoil hat off) permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]uncapchadBronze | QC: CC 21 | ADA 64 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago (1 child) yep they're going to clear the decks of all competition and then come in with some highly sanitized centralised token scheme that will need more paperwork to administer than the current centuries old system that is "perfectly fine"! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rootplMoonwalker 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Or just their own CBDC? I can see it happening. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]_who_is_they_ 13 points14 points15 points 8 hours ago (2 children) Unfortunately the USA has been captured by corrupt special interest groups. This is what malfeasance looks like. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]BeyonderrPlatinum | QC: CC 1253 10 points11 points12 points 8 hours ago (0 children) Gary Gensler said it best this week: We dont need any more digital currencies, we have the Dollar. That showed us everything we need to know. This is war and they are trying to take out the competition. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children) All they want is the CBDC and with Crypto that is not possible. We have to fight back. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Seann27Platinum | QC: CC 272 7 points8 points9 points 5 hours ago* (2 children) As an American who believes in our constitution, it makes me sick seeing what our government has become. A cesspool of corruption, manipulation, and too much power being held by too few. I pay so much in taxes and not a single fucking penny goes towards what i want it to. It is literally taxation without representation, and i'm not the only one that shares this perspective. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TemporaryCitron9271[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago (0 children) Feel ya permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]almostwizard68 0 points1 point2 points 36 minutes ago* (0 children) So Binance "operating as a fking unlicensed securities in the USA bro" is constitutional to you? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CatBoy191114Platinum | QC: CC 344 1 point2 points3 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Think Americans are kidding themselves if the think the US is the land of the free. Apparently people don't even dare take leave... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]BettyT61143 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago (1 child) fuck the government permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TemporaryCitron9271[S] -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children) +1 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]zoomercoomer9000 4 points5 points6 points 8 hours ago* (2 children) I'm so grateful the SEC is protecting me by tanking my portfolio 30%. All this time I thought the key to success was making money, but today the SEC taught me otherwise. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]uncapchadBronze | QC: CC 21 | ADA 64 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) It's the wrong money. “We don’t need more digital currency… we already have digital currency, it’s called the U.S. dollar,” Gensler said. “We have not seen, over the centuries, that economies and the public need more than one way to move value.” permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Value based on absolutely nothing. The US Dollar has "trust me bro" written all over it, now especially at a time where other countries are trying to move away from traditional fiat currencies into something that actually has value. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]laulau9025[🍰] 5 points6 points7 points 7 hours ago (5 children) bash the US government Bash BAN the US government permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TurtlesBeSlowSilver | LRC 140 | ExchSubs 13 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (1 child) Happy cake day! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]laulau9025[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Thank you! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 2 points3 points4 points 6 hours ago (1 child) Call Gary and he should classify the US Government as a security. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]laulau9025[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Lmao Gary good for nothing, would be good for something for a change permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DadofHome 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) Where do I sign permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ObsidianramBeware the JubJub & the Jaberwock 7 points8 points9 points 8 hours ago (3 children) This is all brought to you by Democrats...put the blame squarely where it belongs... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Odysseus_Lannister 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (2 children) Fuck both political parties. Neither truly want or work for improving the lives of the majority of the country. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ObsidianramBeware the JubJub & the Jaberwock -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Things were undeniably better a scant three years ago... permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Odysseus_Lannister 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago* (0 children) Lol no they weren’t. We were in the middle of a global pandemic permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Steering_the_WillBronze 4 points5 points6 points 5 hours ago (1 child) As an American, I apologize to all other countries for our government fuckery. Most of us are good hard working people and our govt has given us a terrible reputation. I completely understand why people see our country as global terrorists. But hey we can print money and shit financial policies out of thin air so it okay. Honestly fuck the US. We need a purge on our corrupt system. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ZaibatsuPrimeTin | 1 month old -2 points-1 points0 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Americans are a bunch of warmongers and dumb people with guns lol. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ourodialTin | r/WSB 14 3 points4 points5 points 8 hours ago (0 children) It is just a mental battle against decentralization, stop taking the mental loss and spread everywhere how big of a corrupt scum thar Gensler bitch, and the rest of the cancerous, dysfunctional government is. We are millions of people that are participating in decentralization, they are just a handful of pedo criminals. Never forget that. SEC doesn't have jurisdiction in 96% of the world. Stop giving your attention to to their bullshit and they are gone, they only feed on fear and that's what this is all about. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]jwz9904 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (3 children) no one likes the US government. however i like seeing biden slip and fall permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ZaibatsuPrimeTin | 1 month old 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (2 children) You better elect Trump in 2024 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]jwz9904 1 point2 points3 points 4 hours ago (1 child) a signboard on the streets will do better than trump or biden permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ZaibatsuPrimeTin | 1 month old 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Well those are the only two choices, so rather go with Trump who knows business permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]its_me_rain 1 point2 points3 points 8 hours ago (1 child) The war started 1 months ago, sec is like cancer slowly is killing US exchanges and hoping other countries to fallow him. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ripple_mcgeePlatinum | QC: CC 44 | CRO 19 | ExchSubs 19 0 points1 point2 points 1 hour ago (0 children) Some countries probably will. I could see the US pressuring the G20 to heavily regulate crypto in their countries. The UK is a prime example. Personally, I think it won't work. Too many developing nations (BRICS) hate the US and its hegemony with the US dollar and they will support crypto exactly because it destabilizes the US dollar as a reserve currency...reducing their dependence on it. USD is still king, but watch out, China wants the throne. Funny that China low key banned crypto but Hong Kong is super pro crypto right now. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Hank___ScorpioPlatinum | QC: CC 493, BTC 322, CM 37 | VET 22 | TraderSubs 45 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (5 children) Just remember, no matter how hard this sub chants "fuck the SEC", Gensler and the rest of the people in your sights probably don't even know this sub exists or treat it with the kind of neglect you'd give to a fallen leaf. Very curious to see what actions you're going to take and how much you think it'll move any needle. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ourodialTin | r/WSB 14 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (1 child) Action: Just watching the weaponized and already insolvent USD to completely destroy itself and having a beer & pop-corn. Decentralization is neutrality, participating in it's creation is more than enough action. People shouldn't even give their attention to corrupt scums like Gensler. The only thing they feed on is attention and fear. In reality they are just a bunch of pedo, criminal scums and they have zero power without those. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Hank___ScorpioPlatinum | QC: CC 493, BTC 322, CM 37 | VET 22 | TraderSubs 45 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) No shit, welcome to a conversation involving OP's statement and title being included in the context. However, the amount of here whose understanding of what the critical mechanical of decentralization actually are is astonishing. Most people here are one step above thinking bitcoin is centralized because all mining happens on 1 planet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (2 children) Let's say 10% of Americans who invest pay attention to this sub, that other 90% is fucking terrified of this news. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Hank___ScorpioPlatinum | QC: CC 493, BTC 322, CM 37 | VET 22 | TraderSubs 45 2 points3 points4 points 7 hours ago (1 child) Just remember that 6milliom number is probably 90% bots. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (0 children) You're probably right. Imagine everyone hating the new Reddit API not knowing that it's going to effectively kill all the bots on Reddit (not a bad idea). permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ispan 1 point2 points3 points 7 hours ago (0 children) What's annoying is the bank I use to buy the dip isn't allowing me too.. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SkylarkVPlatinum | QC: CC 109, BTC 93, ETH 26 | TraderSubs 28 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (1 child) It's kind of amazing that in the U.S. cigarettes (among other things) can be be sold as long as they include a warning that they might kill you, but the law of the land (at least as administratively interpreted by the SEC) doesn't want cryptos sold through free markets regardless of any (intuitively obvious) warnings that they're unregistered. So, freedom in American means free to risk killing oneself, but not free to risk one's own $... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]M0b1xTin 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) You're free to risk your money in the U.S. but only on the things that they tell you are "safe" investments you know like the "BRAND NEW FTX" that's about to open! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Iphone17promax 0 points1 point2 points 7 hours ago (2 children) Years ago we blamed China now USofA is the new china while China's stance on crypto is softening up permalink embed save report give award reply [–]aj2704Bronze -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) That is crazy. Since the world revolves around the US. Or it's something that they believe it does. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ZaibatsuPrimeTin | 1 month old -1 points0 points1 point 4 hours ago (0 children) No, the world does not revolve around the US. Only dumb Americans think that. I will be glad when the US has its downfall. You already had the greatest President in Trump and then they stole the election from him. Some kind of democracy you got there permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Louisvicar 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Freedom for me but not for thee permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Forward_Ad_527Tin 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) They elected a guy who doesn’t even know what day of the week it is, with a son who is a literal crackhead whore mongerer. What do you expect? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Florian995Tin -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children) I am thankful we finally have clarity…oh wait permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SjiznitSilver | QC: CC 465 | GMEJungle 29 | Superstonk 212 -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago (0 children) Remember when they had to sell all their stocks at the top? Yeah. Thats the us government for you. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]poyosoPlatinum | QC: XLM 59, CC 56 | SHIB 16 | AvatarTrading 39 -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children) The US government is a terrorist organization. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]NirbhikTin -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago (0 children) SueTheSEC permalink embed save report give award reply [–]4uckleheadTin | 5 months old 0 points1 point2 points 4 hours ago (0 children) Unfortunately I don't think this will turn around quickly I'm hoping it will turn around I'm also hoping the outcome isn't that we shoehorn crypto into securities regulations that weren't built for crypto...if we have to accept regulation it should be from a new agency (or maybe a dept of an existing agency) dedicated to crypto But it's not even clear if this is driven by the intent to drive crypto out of existence or the intent to just regulate it I suppose they know ETH and BTC aren't going anywhere permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CCNightcoreBronze | Science 11 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) They protect investors from themselves by making their assets worthless. Checkmate capitalists! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Whippoorwill88Tin | 6 months old 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) It’s basically the mafia permalink embed save report give award reply [–]noemata1Tin 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) I don't think Biitcoin cares. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]lemming1607Tin 0 points1 point2 points 3 hours ago (0 children) 100% gains - obvious organic growth 25% drop in prices from headlines- obvious manipulation permalink embed save report give award reply [–]-MercuryOne-Platinum | QC: CC 48 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) It’s not the government so much, it’s the bankers who control the government. Bankers fear crypto. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Armadillo-66Tin 0 points1 point2 points 2 hours ago (0 children) I thought sec was to help protect investors, there bloody killing my investment 😩 permalink embed save report give award reply [–]jwolf696 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children) Every time there's manipulation, in each sector. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]stulochInvisibility is relative. -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (2 children) Think it's to throw up noise ahead of some XRP news? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TemporaryCitron9271[S] 0 points1 point2 points 8 hours ago (1 child) Possible permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PopatteriTin | Buttcoin 65 0 points1 point2 points 6 hours ago (0 children) Are they still counting votes in Arizona? Four more years, right? We can't let <<them>> win. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Consistent_Many_1858Platinum | QC: ETH 26 | MiningSubs 27 -1 points0 points1 point 8 hours ago (0 children) Fuck US government for this mess. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]MrDexterX -1 points0 points1 point 7 hours ago (0 children) They are protecting the investors, they said /s permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DavLithiumBitcoin -1 points0 points1 point 6 hours ago (0 children) U can do all that for as long as u use their chains, the moment u try to remove those chains thats when things become “complicated”? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Agitated_Joke_9473 -1 points0 points1 point 5 hours ago (0 children) the politicians are controlled by the financial elites, it is all about money. elections in the US have been about money for as long as i remember. the elite buy their politicians and have sway in the governance of the US. the crypto war is all about the elites not controlling the market and profits. too many regular folks were making too much money and they wanted in. people scream for regulation. this is typical government takeover process. create a fear and offer a solution to the scared. understand people, regulation id government/elite control. it will not help the people it will feed the greed and control of government a d the elites. be careful what you ask for people. permalink embed save report give award reply

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AssMange suckholes float plea deal
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

Give AssMange probation for ten years in Mexico - let him plead out https://www.publicbooks.org/when-journalists-lose-public-support-violence-a… Reposts designed to elicit intelligent conversation and annoy grampy

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Cryptocurrency: The Right To Privacy Far Outweighs All Other Considerations
by grarpamp 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

The privacy that coins like Monero give far outweighs all the illegal uses of it, everyone has a right to privacy that shouldn't be taken away After seeing Binance disable privacy coins in multiple countries, I think it's important to keep in mind that governments do have a good reason for banning these coins, as a lot of illegal activity is made easier and hidden this way. But banning it takes away something more, namely the privacy that everyone has a right to, and this is just a trade off that comes with privacy and freedom of finances. Nothing comes without its downsides, it's more about the evaluation of pros and cons and seeing if the pros outweigh the cons. It simply has more benefits than the harm it does. In this case it's something that everyone should have the right to, Privacy. I don't think this is even worth evaluation, as it's so easy to see that the right of privacy far outweighs all the cons that comes with it, with all the hidden and illegal activity. So I can't believe that they don't even hesitate to take action against coins that give privacy as if it's a threat. I'm still curious to hear if anyone has any good arguments as well against it. jump to content my subreddits edit subscriptions popular -all -random -users | AskReddit -funny -worldnews -pics -todayilearned -mildlyinteresting -news -gaming -movies -explainlikeimfive -aww -tifu -videos -TwoXChromosomes -Jokes -Art -LifeProTips -OldSchoolCool -Music -nottheonion -Futurology -Showerthoughts -dataisbeautiful -books -IAmA -askscience -science -space -nosleep -food -photoshopbattles -DIY -gifs -gadgets -WritingPrompts -sports -creepy -history -GetMotivated -announcements -InternetIsBeautiful -Documentaries -EarthPorn -philosophy -UpliftingNews -listentothis -blog more » CryptoCurrency comments Want to join? Log in or sign up in seconds. 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But banning it takes away something more, namely the privacy that everyone has a right to, and this is just a trade off that comes with privacy and freedom of finances. Nothing comes without its downsides, it's more about the evaluation of pros and cons and seeing if the pros outweigh the cons. It simply has more benefits than the harm it does. In this case it's something that everyone should have the right to, Privacy. I don't think this is even worth evaluation, as it's so easy to see that the right of privacy far outweighs all the cons that comes with it, with all the hidden and illegal activity. So I can't believe that they don't even hesitate to take action against coins that give privacy as if it's a threat. I'm still curious to hear if anyone has any good arguments as well against it. [–]CointestMod[M] [score hidden] 9 days ago stickied commentlocked comment (3 children) Monero pros & cons with related info are in the collapsed comments below. permalink embed save report give award load more comments (3 replies) [–]Florian995Tin 169 points170 points171 points 9 days ago (29 children) The USD is the most used asset for illegal activity. Nobody cares. Monero os just put into a bad light because governments don’t like privacy permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Killertimme 14 points15 points16 points 9 days ago (9 children) Although USD is pretty private, it is also private for them to hide their shady business. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lillica_Golden_SHIBBronze | BANANO 5 | TraderSubs 13 25 points26 points27 points 9 days ago (8 children) Privacy for them, not for us permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 20 points21 points22 points 9 days ago (7 children) This statement will literally come true when they create CBDCs Nobody can see what goes on in these CBDCs transactions, but only the government can see everything permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]hansjerry 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (2 children) Exactly, even with the US dollar, the govt can't track paper transactions but that's not the case with a CBDC where every move will be documented permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 8 days ago* (1 child) [deleted] [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 1 point2 points3 points 8 days ago (0 children) Yup.. people buying everything they get with a credit card whining about privacy is kind of funny. Don't get me wrong, governments infringing on our privacy is bad and should be fought at every turn, but thinking this enormous mega corp is any better is laughable, especially when those mega corps happily work with the government to give them whatever they need. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Jim--CramerPermabanned 7 points8 points9 points 9 days ago (3 children) And also score a chunk of supply for themselves permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (2 children) I don't think you understand how money works. The government doesn't have much use for money, because they issue it. They regulate the supply of money and inject it into certain spots in the economy, but they don't need to keep supply. If they did, it would be exactly the same as never issuing the money in the first place. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]wright007Tin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (1 child) I don't think you understand how REAL money works. Hard currency like Bitcoin and Gold are not controlled by governments and as such are not issued at the whim of the banks. The inflation rates of real money are predicable, which is why they are scarce, which is why they are "hard" money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Inflation is never predictable, regardless of how it's denominated. A lot more goes into inflation than money supply, which is why the money supply in the US has been dropping for over a year but inflation keeps happening. Also, neither gold nor BTC operate as a currency in 2023. Aside from that, the comment I was replying to was claiming that the government would hoard a CBDC which makes no sense at all. Are you really arguing against that? Your comment is completely unrelated to what I said. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]To_The_M000NTin 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Exactly this! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 17 points18 points19 points 9 days ago (5 children) Nobody cares. That's not correct. Plenty of people care. But it's impossible to control. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]weoutside3 4 points5 points6 points 8 days ago (0 children) Abolishing cash would be a start, which I think they want to do permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]thinkfireTin | GMEJungle 44 | Superstonk 83 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (2 children) Nah. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]WorriedComparison189Permabanned 5 points6 points7 points 8 days ago (0 children) Happy cake day 🥳 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]helobro11Permabanned 1 point2 points3 points 8 days ago (0 children) Happy cake day permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Jim--CramerPermabanned 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) And track publicly permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Jay_Popsicle_ 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Isn't it obvious? That's how they play. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]1984isreddit 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) Banks like HSBC continue to pay regular fines for repeated money laundering for cartels and CIA, cash is king. Banks dont launder monero, do they? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ArcosimSilver | QC: CC 51 | VET 22 | Technology 39 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Reminds me of Pablo Escobar's green literal mountain of money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Ok-Supermarket-6747Tin 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (1 child) Exactly. USD already does this function on paper permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ricozuriPlatinum | QC: CC 25 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Perhaps you mean IN paper, rather than ON paper. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]crossthrowsPlatinum | QC: CC 105 | r/WSB 14 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) the illusion permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Sure, but literally billions of people use USD, and the vast majority of them have never heard of Monero. TIn fact, the number of people who use USD minus the number of people who even know what Monero is is roughly equal to the number of people who use USD. In the world of global finance, crypto is basically a rounding error, and Monero is a rounding error within crypto. The difference is that a much higher percentage of Monero transactions are for illegal purposes.. that's not to say we should ban it, and honestly, it's one of the few cryptos that actually has a use case imo, but your argument here is kind of irrelevant. If anything, you're highlighting how useful the USD is from a privacy perspective. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]OneThatNoseOnePlatinum | QC: CC 40 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) It's so stupid. It's like saying ban food because criminals eat as well. We should ban air while we're at it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]beaubeautasticBronze | Onions 12 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) im bullish on monero just cause of the bans. finna get rich permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]moeljillsBronze | CRO 10 | Unpop.Opin. 12 0 points1 point2 points 7 days ago (0 children) Also. One of the great things about crypto is transparency. But in a few years that will be a double edged sword. You will be able to type in anyone's names and publicly see the transactions they have made and the contents of their wallets. This is why we need privacy coins permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 86 points87 points88 points 9 days ago (59 children) Monero is definitely going to be an important coin in the future as governments launch CBDCs slowly get rid of cash and begin monitoring every transaction we make. Criminals aren't the only people who want privacy. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Wise-Grapefruit-1443 24 points25 points26 points 9 days ago (35 children) All crypto, but especially privacy coins, will take off if CBDCs gain any traction permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 24 points25 points26 points 9 days ago (31 children) I doubt it, to many people can’t be bothered with privacy coins. 80% of the population will just take what the government gives them. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (3 children) [deleted] [–]zmoonerBronze | 5 months old 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) So we will be the new 1%? #OccupyWallStreet upside down. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) You gotta give him a chance to argue his point. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) And unfortunately the 1% arguing for privacy coins in the population will mainly just be the maxis of crypto bros.. which makes the number closer to 0.01% I feel permalink embed save report give award reply [–]-TrustyDwarf-Silver | QC: XMR 368, CC 168, ALGO 34 | NANO 42 | r/Prog. 33 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (1 child) So 20% of the population will use Monero? We'll go to the moon! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (0 children) You’ll never know how many people are using it hahaha. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (24 children) No I agree with him. People might feel the need to turn to privacy coins because they have no choice in the future if it gets bad enough. You would be surprised what people will do when they are motivated enough permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 14 points15 points16 points 9 days ago (23 children) People don’t want crypto because it’s not user friendly, so if you go tell those same people to go to some hard to use slightly sketchy looking defi platform to get XMR they just won’t. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShortFrothPlatinum | QC: XMR 125 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago* (0 children) There is a subreddit on reddit that cant be named here. It starts with r/ Dark and ends with net. It serves a snapshot of how normies go and learn to use things if they have to in order to get what they really want regardless of the consequences and hurdles. TBH its pretty painful to watch them struggle to learn how it all works. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (21 children) [deleted] [–]StruggleBus619Tin | 3 months old 12 points13 points14 points 9 days ago (2 children) I think you're vastly under estimating the how big the section of society that won't care about privacy and use the CBDCs anyway. The whole reason society as a whole has careened towards where it is now with overall privacy invasion is specifically because the majority of people feel "well i have nothing to hide, so 🤷". permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 -1 points0 points1 point 9 days ago (1 child) I feel like I'm underestimating it somewhat but again this is a scenario where the use of CBDCs become so tyrannical that people feel they have no choice but to look for any other option to escape the tyranny brought by CBDCs. Which is going to happen eventually. There is a reason the government is attacking decentralized crypto so much and trying to push for CBDCs permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (17 children) People hate banks but still use them even though crypto exists. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]lubimboPlatinum | QC: CC 28 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (0 children) They just prefer the "safety" of not beeing responsible for their funds. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (12 children) [deleted] [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (7 children) So like normal banks can become? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (6 children) Yes but we haven't got to that point of tyranny in the US. CBDCs are meant to implement this to control and manipulate our actions with the threat to take away ur way to survive permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]rcp_5 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (3 children) shutting down ur access to ur funds if u protest against the wrong thing etc I scroll this sub a lot trying to figure out what the privacy issue is with fiat currency to begin with, and now I think I figured it out. Were you recently protesting and put on a list or something? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (2 children) No dude 🤣I mean I'm probably on a list but that's not the point. We have the right to protest anything we want. And the government threatening people's finances for protesting is the definition of an authoritarian government. Or do you want to live in a country like China is that ur goal? permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]obsydianFalconTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (1 child) Well what else would they use? Crypto platforms have terrible reputations after all of last year and at the very least Banks are "regulated" (more than crypto) and insured. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]DreadaussieBronze | QC: CC 19 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) That’s what I’m saying, people are just going to use banks or CBDCs whatever the government tells them to use. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]tiktaktok_65Bronze | QC: CC 21 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) you are delusional. just look at internet and smartphone penetration. a smartphone is the worst possible device for your personal privacy as it turns you into a beacon that navigates through a sea of data that sits on the real world leaving measurable ripples in your wake allwoing anyone to map you on both. how many people prefer the convenience that interaction between digital and real world brings over the added privacy in staying off the grid? the battle for privacy is already lost and future generations will just make staying offline more difficult. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) All crypto, but especially privacy coins, will take off if CBDCs gain any traction Why privacy coins especially? I can understand the argument regarding it increasing general crypto uptake, but CBDCs don't make BTC/ETH any worse. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]mangopie220Platinum | QC: CC 243 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Nah. If governemnt ban privacy coins, traders and retailers won't use crypto as they still need cash to pay for operations, and stuffs. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]drunk_phishTin | Superstonk 20 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Sad enough, people in power still believe too well in the mantra of "one bad apple ruins the entire bunch" when it comes to potentially losing their power. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 10 points11 points12 points 9 days ago (7 children) I always hope for a future where people finally realise how important our privacy is… permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (1 child) They'll realize it only after it's far to late. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkuniMasterMind 5 points6 points7 points 8 days ago (0 children) Its right of passage, you dont know how important something is till you desperately need it - and its not there permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BakschPlatinum | QC: CC 31 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (0 children) It'll probably take a few million dead from Gulag 2.0 for people to truly grasp the evil this total control will allow. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (2 children) It feels like with social media it's going to be almost impossible to be anonymous these days. Everyone will know who u are and what u are doing at all times. Which is why I like using Reddit tbh. Keeps a lot of the personal insults and drama out of social media permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]pb__ 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (1 child) As a regular user of IRC and forums, I was utterly shocked when people started posting stuff under their real name (facebook etc.). Sure, you always left a trace of IP and your nickname could often be connected to the real word you with some effort, but to leave your full name in the open just like that, for anyone to see and find? It was surreal to me. And now it's the new normal... permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Yup and now we have people basically live streaming there entire lives 🤣it's a slippery slope for sure I've basically gave up on any kind of privacy anymore permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Surveillance capitalism will ensure that never happens. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Amir__oscarTin | 1 month old 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) In my opinion, considering the legal framework can solve some problems. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (5 children) Monero is definitely going to be an important coin in the future as governments launch CBDCs How does a launch of CBDCs increase adoption of Monero, as opposed to bitcoin/eth or any other existing crypto which is not controlled by the government? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago* (4 children) CBDCs aren't cash dude......if we move to a completely cashless society where every transaction is monitored privacy coins will be all the rage permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 days ago (3 children) I'm not suggesting to leave in CBDCs. I understand the downsides. I'm asking why you believe it needs to be privacy coins and not other existing crypto such as btc/eth. Unless you believe that btc/eth based crypto isn't viable for mass adoption? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (2 children) No I do. But there might be other things going on in the future with technology that makes the need for privacy almost a necessity.....at least somewhat. With AI and other things who knows what could happen. I'm sure Bitcoin and Ethereum will be just fine for mass adoption I just feel like privacy coins will almost be a necessity at some point with the advancements in technology. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (1 child) But there might be other things going on in the future with technology that makes the need for privacy almost a necessity.....at least somewhat. With AI and other things who knows what could happen. Your original argument was that it would be CBDCs that would drive the adoption of privacy coins. This is a different argument. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) CBDCs alongside other things like no privacy in the future because technology and AI has become too powerful......that's my whole point. If technology has increased to a point where people have no privacy on any of their transactions or where they are going with facial recognition flying robots AI online with databases showing who u are etc. The need for privacy coins will be very great permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lokiee0077 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Bullish on Privacy Coins permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nagemasu 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (4 children) Slippery slope fallacy. Your bank transactions are already monitored, and there's no evidence physical cash will ever be abolished. In fact, it can't be because it's the only way to exchange money without power. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (3 children) It won't be "abolished" but businesses ALREADY aren't accepting cash. You go to a basketball game? They don't accept cash anymore. There plan is to slowly get all companies to a point where they no longer accept cash permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nagemasu 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (2 children) There plan Whose plan? The Illuminati? You understand how that sounds right? You're simply making assumptions based on fear. Slippery slope --> conspiracy. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Plebian1994 -1 points0 points1 point 8 days ago (1 child) The WEF literally tells you their exact plans and this is part of them 😭if ur too stupid to look into it then that's ur fault. You will own nothing and be happy is not a conspiracy permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Nagemasu 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) The WEF lol calling others stupid and talking about a private organisation as if they have any power as evidence of a future where no cash exists. You are already in the conspiracy hole, that's why the slippery slope fallacy appears real to you. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Karyo_TenSilver | QC: ETH 20 | Buttcoin 34 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 days ago (0 children) Elon Musk approves. He wanted privacy for his private jets so he bought Twitter to silence the alerters on billionaires polluting. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]NoraxxzocktPermabanned 101 points102 points103 points 9 days ago (35 children) The more governments gonna lean towards CBDCs, the more i am gonna support and use monero. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 39 points40 points41 points 9 days ago (17 children) And the more they try to ban Monero, the more we actually know it is working permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShortFrothPlatinum | QC: XMR 125 14 points15 points16 points 9 days ago (6 children) plus the more they ban it, the more private it becomes. Its biggest privacy weakness is the mass aggregate of data supplied by exchanges. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]AEthersense 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (1 child) Even with KYC from exchanges monero to monero transfers are private. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ShortFrothPlatinum | QC: XMR 125 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) There are some possible attacks. Spend an input received from an exchange and they know there is some some really low % chance that it was you. Spend 10 inputs in one transaction that were received from an exchange and they know for for a really high % chance it was you. Spend those 10 inputs into captured colluding entity and they got you as very likely as the true spender. The exchanges know the true spends of the transactions it sent to your address in the withdrawal. If they feed this data to ChainAnal, that makes for a fat list of unconvincing decoys. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lillica_Golden_SHIBBronze | BANANO 5 | TraderSubs 13 13 points14 points15 points 9 days ago (0 children) Monero is incredibly underrated. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (1 child) So ban is ironically.. bullish for Monero? Lol permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SkuniMasterMind 2 points3 points4 points 8 days ago (0 children) Is it ironic really? Seems like its by design working as intended :D permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]illhaveubent 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) It also removes many of the investors while leaving most of the people actually using it as a currency. I think this might contribute to the stability of it's value. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]deathbyfish13Free Range Moon Farmer 10 points11 points12 points 9 days ago (2 children) The more they try to ban it, the more boating accidents there will be permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Kodeshii 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (1 child) Boating accident insurance salesman employment will go up! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Defiant-Appeal3934 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (0 children) And boat sales will go, down? I'm no sailor. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 -1 points0 points1 point 9 days ago (6 children) But is this really the path we want to see crypto go down? "Crypto" and "governments" need to determine a way to work together in harmony if we ever want to see crypto truly adopted. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]BakschPlatinum | QC: CC 31 13 points14 points15 points 9 days ago (3 children) Nope, government is owned by big banks and other big money. You can't expect the feudal overlords to give up control without a fight. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (2 children) Of course they won't give up without a fight. And crypto will never be able to be used as a viable alternative for the masses if there is not some kind of agreement eventually reached. Crypto will remain as a partially adopted fringe solution that won't reach it's full potential. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]amusingjapester23 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Pot became a drug of the masses in the US, before government did anything to endorse it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]wright007Tin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) What reasons do you have to support this claim? I'm not sure it's true. I suspect that mass adoption could occur in multiple different ways, not just government endorsements. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ayleidanthropologistTin | Politics 17 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago* (0 children) That sounds not at all like what governments want. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]trimalcusTin 13 points14 points15 points 9 days ago (3 children) Supporting by mining with your CPU if you can permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Daddio_87 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (2 children) This is the next step for me. I just haven't taken it yet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]trimalcusTin 9 points10 points11 points 9 days ago (1 child) Easiest way is to use XMRig and pick a small pool to help decentralization. Like Aterx.com, minernode. Etc.. but you will have some small fees. Best way is to use P2Pool. No fees at all. Fully decentralized permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lillica_Golden_SHIBBronze | BANANO 5 | TraderSubs 13 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Started like this following a friend's recommendation and never stopped. P2Pool is just great. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Elie0_0[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (8 children) The pros CBDCs have are literally nothing compared to the fact that they can control your transaction. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]NoraxxzocktPermabanned 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (4 children) exactly, money with an expiry date and transactions being reversed on command is ridiculous to say the least. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Every_Hunt_160Platinum | QC: CC 672 | r/SSB 10 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (1 child) CBDCs only have pros for the government and cons for everyone else Monero mainly have pros for everyone else, and cons for the government permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) As long as Monero remains niche and relatively unused, agreed. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Lillica_Golden_SHIBBronze | BANANO 5 | TraderSubs 13 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) That is not money, it is simply a damn scam permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) No government will ever implement expiration dates. Whoever told you that is an idiot and a liar who's just trying to get you mad. That's not to say we shouldn't opposed CBDC's, but there's literally nothing in it for them. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (2 children) They don't like what you're doing? - funds frozen - permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]illhaveubent 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (1 child) They did it in Canada permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) They tried to do it in Canada, and failed when the non-custodial wallet branch replied that they have no control over the wallets! That's why there's that big push for CBDCs now! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]strongkhalSilver | QC: CC 84 | CRO 64 | ExchSubs 64 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (1 child) How do you intend to do that and what do you use it for? If a government bans it then how do I buy it or cash out? Asking for a friend... permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]kuri-kuma 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) DeFi permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]3utt5lut 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Try to get into no-KYC as much as possible, so many people think that just because you like privacy, that you're doing illegal activities. I don't remember there being a law that you aren't allowed to access international trade markets? Those markets don't pertain to the same laws as your country does, that's why your country wants you to use "their" services, so they can control you and force you to pay them money for that service. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ra246Gentleman. 18 points19 points20 points 9 days ago (1 child) I probably should have been doing so, but I'm going to start stacking $XMR for this exact reason. None of us want the government's to see every penny we spend. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SkuniMasterMind 3 points4 points5 points 8 days ago (0 children) Or even worse, every peeny we own permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Napoleon_2461 - 2 years account age. -15 - 35 comment karma. 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (1 child) I think that we have to accept that governments will always be hostile to coins like Monero and it'll only be possible to utilize them with adequate technical knowledge permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ripple_mcgeePlatinum | QC: CC 44 | CRO 19 | ExchSubs 19 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) SOME governments will be hostile to privacy coins, but others will not...and as long as the internet exists, crypto will have an avenue to trade within borders of open governments...I'm thinking like the UAE for example. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]NotAnAlcoholicTodayPlatinum | QC: CC 93, XTZ 32 16 points17 points18 points 9 days ago (0 children) Yeah. I think I'm gonna stop buying any other coins and become a Monero maxi at this point. Privacy is extremely important, and will only become more important as we move along with newer tech. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Dull-Wear-3286 39 points40 points41 points 9 days ago (4 children) Monero is a people's coin. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Killertimme 13 points14 points15 points 9 days ago (1 child) Privacy is a human right. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]pb__ 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (0 children) Imagine banning curtains and blinds because some people use them to hide crimes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Odd-Radio-8500Tin | 2 months old 7 points8 points9 points 9 days ago* (0 children) I consider Monero "yOur coins yOur rights" permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HackerpcsTin | Technology 41 1 point2 points3 points 8 days ago (0 children) It's what Bitcoin was supposed to be originally without all the investment bullshit that happened after. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Technical-Western897 18 points19 points20 points 9 days ago (2 children) I would never use cryptocurrency with IRL people because they can literally view my entire balance & transactions. Privacy is required for adaption. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Zap1324Tin 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) You shouldn’t have a wallet with your entire balance interacting with anything even if it was private. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Objective_Digit -1 points0 points1 point 8 days ago (0 children) You think credit card txs can't be traced? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bbtto22Platinum | QC: CC 552 34 points35 points36 points 9 days ago (5 children) Coins like monero have to exist it’s a freedom they can never take away from us permalink embed save report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 10 points11 points12 points 9 days ago (0 children) I really need to convert all my alts to xmr. I keep putting it off and it will eventually bite me in the ass permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]good2youallBanned 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (1 child) Sadly its a freedom that they’ll always attempt to take permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bbtto22Platinum | QC: CC 552 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (0 children) It’s a battle they are not going to win permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Impossible_Soup_1932Platinum | QC: CC 286 | ADA 8 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (1 child) We can always buy gold and hide it under the bed permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]bbtto22Platinum | QC: CC 552 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (0 children) The more options and more freedoms the better permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]AnimeFlamingo 25 points26 points27 points 9 days ago (0 children) Monero is truly a blessing. And it has not been compromised, even with bounty’s on it permalink embed save report give award reply [–]BrocoliAssassinSilver | QC: BTC 218, CC 105 | CelsiusNet. 25 10 points11 points12 points 9 days ago (3 children) Once CBDC's hit we are going to see bigger attacks on privacy. I'm sure we will have a ton of people with the stupid saying of not needing privacy cause they have nothing to hide. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (1 child) Some would even be ready to outright sell their privacy. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Some would even be ready to outright sell their privacy. Most people already do. How many people have some form of a store rewards/loyalty card? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]urbanhoodTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Social media proves that point. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Euphoric-Mode215Permabanned 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) you gotta pay one way or the other permalink embed save report give award reply [–]nick83487Platinum | QC: CC 829 22 points23 points24 points 9 days ago (9 children) The many shouldn't be punished for the crimes of the few permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Status_Floor1746Platinum | QC: CC 44[🍰] 13 points14 points15 points 9 days ago (3 children) Governments really specialize in the shotgun approach to regulations if we are being honest permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]SQUIRMANDESAUR 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (1 child) They're also good at blaming the tool instead of the people using it. Like with their gun law and all that permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]conceiv3d-in-lib3rty 7 points8 points9 points 9 days ago (0 children) It’s just like the fight to ban encryption. These tools will always be used for nefarious reasons, but people’s fundamental rights to privacy will always trump them. It’s not like these agencies can’t find other ways to get to the bad guys, they do it all the time. Outright banning it is just to make their lives easier and it’s at the expense of peoples privacy. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Elie0_0[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Pretty much what's happening, interesting to see that many countries taking action against them permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rootplMoonwalker 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) If that's their approach we should ban cash too, after all, it's used by criminals. Politicians are a damn joke. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]MasterLogic -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 days ago (0 children) The few crimes are in the billions and they get the money stealing it from average people. Imagine if sbf had everything in Monroe, that's the type of person that's committing crimes using it, and getting away with it. Any coin that isn't bit/eth is only popular because you can do illegal things using it. (popular as in rug pulls/scams/money laundering/promising the moon) not popular because it's useful in real life. If you want to be protected and insured and potentially get your funds recovered 99.9% of these coins need to be deleted. Because the more shit there is the easier it is to hide where the money is. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]poptippp 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (0 children) Cash is more dangerous than Monero. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]urbanhikersPermabanned 5 points6 points7 points 9 days ago (0 children) Monero is getting more visibility due to government suppressions. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]deftaj 11 points12 points13 points 9 days ago (4 children) Binance will let Pepe onto their exchange but not Monero. Ridiculous permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Elie0_0[S] 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (1 child) They complied because otherwise they would have to shut down business in countries such as France, Spain, Poland and a few others that banned it. It makes sense for them to not want to lose such revenue, they'd go out of business soon if they tried to keep them on their exchanges against every country. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Impossible_Soup_1932Platinum | QC: CC 286 | ADA 8 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Indeed. Companies like Binances and not in crypto for their ideology. They exist to make money. Nobody doubts that. So we can't blame them for not turning this into a battle against governments permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) Binance will let Pepe onto their exchange but not Monero. Ridiculous Pepe doesn't pose a governmental threat to their business model. There is nothing more to it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) A capitalist company doing the thing that makes them the most money? Did you expect something different? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mab_894Raise your Standards 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (1 child) Monero checks all the boxes. Obvious use case, decentralized, fair distribution, always improving its protocol. What more can you ask for? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HadMatter217Platinum | QC: CC 49 | PoliticalHumor 168 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Environmentally friendly permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]conceiv3d-in-lib3rty 9 points10 points11 points 9 days ago (17 children) My guess is most, if not all governments will attempt to shut down the on/off ramps for monero. Pretty soon the only way we’ll be able to get it is thru defi swaps. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]imperator285World's Worst Boat Captain 8 points9 points10 points 9 days ago (9 children) Nah fam. Local Monero and bisq already exist. Serai and Haveno are on the way. Atomic Swaps with BTC and ETH exist too. Plus Monero ATMs. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (8 children) Ohh, where are the ATMs? That's one situation I'd at least consider paying the higher fee permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]imperator285World's Worst Boat Captain 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (7 children) https://coinatmradar.com/ My understanding is that there are very few ATMs that exclusively offer Monero. But there are many "crypto" ATMs that offer Monero. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (6 children) I hope so, I have plenty of crypto ATMs by me but over even looked because I know fees are crazy high. One thing I'm willing to pay for is true privacy permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]imperator285World's Worst Boat Captain 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (5 children) Yea honestly localmonero cash by mail is better option permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (4 children) How does that even work? Is there escrow or something? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]imperator285World's Worst Boat Captain 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (3 children) Yes on escrow. And sellers who have done hundreds/thousands of trades over several years with a 98/99% positive rating are not going to throw away those stats to steal a few hundred bucks from you. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (2 children) We really need to get on/off ramps on TOR. Using the mail service works but kind of a pain for weekly purchases permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]imperator285World's Worst Boat Captain 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (1 child) Yea keep an eye out for the release of either Haveno or Serai. I've heard good things but no betas yet. permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]DuncanDicksonPlatinum | QC: CC 23, XMR 20 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) Like some sort of peer to peer digital cash? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (1 child) most, if not all governments will attempt to shut down the on/off ramps for monero And how would they go about doing that? Your on-ramp/off-ramp can be to any other crypto such as bitcoin. Once you're in the crypto ecosystem it's just a matter of swaps. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]missmuffin__Redditor for 5 months. 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Is there a bridge from monero to eth? Not just an erc20 wrapper, but actually get to and from the monero chain? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Elie0_0[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago* (1 child) Yeah, it seems as if privacy also will come with it's diffuculties as it won't be as easy to get or use anymore. But at the same time, buying privacy coins on CEXs aren't that private, if they require KYC that is, so in a way true privacy always did require more. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]missmuffin__Redditor for 5 months. 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) What if you have two monero accounts? One to interact with CEXs, one to actually use. It's more work, but seems to solve the issue. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]partymslPlatinum | QC: CC 702 | r/WSB 16 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) That is the true Crypto way and people will be forced to use it now, which is good. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) It's a hurdle crypto will need to eventually overcome anyway. Might as well rip the band-aid off and move crypto to deep web or TOR now permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Hugh_Jarmes187Bronze 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) Spot on. Generally, if you entrust power to the government and allow the government to break the law to catch law breakers, they will eventually use that power against law abiding citizens. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Status_Floor1746Platinum | QC: CC 44[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) This is the flaw that no centralized exchange will be able to address. This just seems to be the cost of playing in these countries. DeFi addresses this so at least there still is a way. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]LePanzerIn Satoshi we trust 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Since I have been rewatching Star Trek lately, my argument is that humanity is not ready yet to enjoy utopia! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Illicitterror 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) All these governments cracking down on privacy, but it’s everyone’s right. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]_redboy_Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) We all know in private that we have bad qualities too...Privacy is really important and everyone should respect it. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]fercian 1 point2 points3 points 8 days ago (0 children) i thnik USD is best alternative for your illegal activity. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (8 children) I think there is a very real chance BTC collapses and is slowly replaced by XMR. There's probably too much VC money in BTC for this to happen but if governments all agree to ban it why wouldn't everyone switch? I guess KYC could go away for BTC and slowly be replaced with kyc less defi but xmr would make it so much easier permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ThatInternetGuyPlatinum | QC: CC 90, BNB 61 | TRX 8 | r/Prog. 165 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (1 child) Not really. Monero is not listed in many regulated exchanges. Even Binance that lists XMR will get you flagged for extra KYC after depositing a large sum of XMR into their exchange. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 -1 points0 points1 point 8 days ago (0 children) You're missing the point, I'm talking about a situation where all regulated exchanges are made illegal. Basically crypto being pushed to dark web/tor/defi permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]EtrenscePlatinum | QC: CC 29 | r/WSB 20 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (4 children) You think the government will ban BTC before it bans XMR? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 -1 points0 points1 point 8 days ago (3 children) Most can't really ban it anymore then it already is, this gives it a huge edge of BTC must take the same route. Try buying XMR in the US on a CEX. I'll wait. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]EtrenscePlatinum | QC: CC 29 | r/WSB 20 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Yeh your right, you cant buy on CEX. So that raises the question why would people move to XMR if it is already banned. I dont follow that logic. Even if BTC is banned, wouldn't people move to a non banned crypto instead of an already banned one? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]MrMoustacheMan 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (1 child) Try buying XMR in the US on a CEX https://www.kraken.com/learn/buy-monero-xmr permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]PeacefullyFightingPlatinum | QC: CC 329, ETH 23 | VET 10 | TraderSubs 24 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Oh shit, they still do. Thanks permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Objective_Digit 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Not a chance. Bitcoin's network effect is gigantic. And private txs can be done using Lightning or other ways. Plus people want something that can keep value. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]trimalcusTin 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (0 children) Just use localmonero, bisq and other DEX. You can still swap on changenow for instance. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ScoobaMonsta 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (0 children) Binance is getting a lot of pressure because they practice fractional reserve banking! They have been selling paper Monero! This means that they have been selling Monero that they don’t actually have! That’s why withdrawals were constantly blocked or heavily limited. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]AlbrechtSchoenheiserBronze | ADA 7 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (2 children) If I lived in a community that has been crippled by gun violence related to narcos, I would disagree with you. If I was a drug dealer with a lot of money that I need to wash, I would agree with you. It's all about perspective, people. 🤷🏿‍♂️ permalink embed save report give award reply [–]dericecourcyBronze | NANO 6 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (1 child) Hey quick question, how much is your net worth? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]AlbrechtSchoenheiserBronze | ADA 7 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) I don't have an exact number, but I do own a defense contracting firm and a diamond mine in Africa, but it's a small mine run by children. I'm not a billionaire or anything, but I have a nice Geländewagen. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]jorneypTin | SHIB 11 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) I agree people should have the right to privacy and that is 1 of many reasons people pick crypto over fiat but government will do anything in their power to prevent that permalink embed save report give award reply [–]podfather2000Tin | Unpop.Opin. 20 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) I don't think most people care about privacy. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]MoonTLDRPermabanned 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Monero has already taken a lot of heat from governments. Not sure how it will gonna survive their onslaught. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]NotACryptoBro 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Sir, this is an echo chamber and you know very well that people here won't argue against it. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]jswbTin | WSB 9 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (3 children) Why are there so many Monero posts recently? Did some update happen or something? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]rockstarknight445Tin 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (2 children) CBDCs are an upcoming thing governments around the world are trying to implement. Monero is the best to use as digital cash to preserve your freedom. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]jswbTin | WSB 9 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (1 child) I agree. How do you store your monero (cold wallet?) permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rockstarknight445Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) I use the monero cli wallet on my PC and I use cake wallet on my phone permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]seniorbatista19Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Bullish on privacy permalink embed save report give award reply [–]UpLeftUpBronze | QC: CC 17 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) The illegal use of Monero is being massively overstated. If someone hacks an exchange, steals people's money and then converts it to Monero, why the hell do we say "Monero is facilitating crime". Its bullshit, because Monero had nothing to do with the actual crime of the hacking and theft. Does anyone really believe that if Monero didn't exist, they wouldn't hack the exchange and steal? So why doesn't the government instead focus on stopping these actual crimes. Everyone brags about how the government caught Al Capone for tax fraud. They couldn't catch him for being a criminal, so they caught him for tax fraud and threw the book at him for that. Like its supposed to be a good thing. I mean its great that they took him off the street, but since when does "The end justify the means" in terms of the government going after people? How much further do we have to slide down this slope to get to the point where its ok for the police to plant evidence because that gets a warrant which finds real evidence? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mik_djPermabanned 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Privacy should be a priority...! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Huge_Agent_1448 1 point2 points3 points 8 days ago (0 children) They can ban it but it won't stop me from swapping litecoin for monero. The only thing that can stop me are boating accidents permalink embed save report give award reply [–]OMFGROFLMAO2Platinum | QC: CC 30 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (6 children) Hot take here but people like their freedom until it turns against them. The moment your son gets kidnapped and you're asked to deposit $100k on a Monero wallet, just to find out he's dead and there's no way of tracing your money, you'll probably stop using Monero. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about crypto, decentralization, and monetary freedom (not to be confused with anonymity). But knowing my transaction is probably being sent in a block with some cartel money is not something I approve of. But hey, that's the beauty of having a choice, I don't bash Monero as a project, I just choose not to use it. Negative moons month, here we go! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Mr_Bob_FergusonPlatinum | QC: CC 445 3 points4 points5 points 9 days ago (1 child) "What do you mean they drained my wallet and you can't trace any of it?" permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Zap1324Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Nothing happens even when people can trace it permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (2 children) [deleted] [–]Nagemasu -1 points0 points1 point 8 days ago* (1 child) lol this is a dumb argument. If it's public information (no privacy coins exist) then it doesn't matter if they know how much you have because they can't do anything without less they be discovered, not that that's really how good security works. Being able to wash the crypto with privacy coins is what allows them to get away with it and risk doing it in the first place. Most peoples wealth is already on full display anyway. Stop acting like crypto is going to be some beacon for kidnapping, this is the same level of fear mongering everyone in crypto moans about from buttcoin or other anti crypto groups. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Mab_894Raise your Standards 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Hmm good point. That is the trade-off. I still believe in inherent privacy/freedom to transact but hard to know what I would do unless I really am in this situation. Hopefully it never happens to anyone but it unfortunately will permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Character-Dot-4078Platinum | QC: CC 535, ETH 45, BTC 44 | ADA 7 | MiningSubs 39 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago (1 child) There is only one argument, only fascists want you to have no privacy. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Zap1324Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) Then why does the Democratic Party in the us hate crypto so much permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Onnimation 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Privacy is our fundamental rights! The real criminals are the banks. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Impossible_Soup_1932Platinum | QC: CC 286 | ADA 8 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) To be honest if I buy an alt coin, it's to earn money from it. Delisting of coins to me just means the chances of a strong return goes down significantly. And true Monero fans can still get it through Defi. And I do hope they can manage to do that and keep the project alive permalink embed save report give award reply [–]smellybarbiefeetTin | 2 months old -2 points-1 points0 points 9 days ago (0 children) I don’t like it because it defeats the purpose of a public ledger. It also has a culty QAnon following, which I don’t care for. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]--leockl--Tin | CelsiusNet. 7 -1 points0 points1 point 9 days ago (0 children) Litecoin the true privacy coin now! permalink embed save report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (1 child) [deleted] [–]Mab_894Raise your Standards 4 points5 points6 points 9 days ago (0 children) What do you care about in a crypto? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Into-the-BeyondPlatinum | QC: CC 17, BTC 15 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 days ago (0 children) My biggest issue with the concept of holding Monero is that while I have no doubt privacy coins will exist now and in the future, how can we possibly know Monero will continue to gain and hold value (while also not have their privacy hacked or tracked—whatever—with future tech) and not be replaced by some other random future privacy coin that becomes the premier privacy coin at that time instead? If I wanted to take my KYC coins and make a purchase I wished to remain private, I could, in theory, now or at some future time send my KYC coin to a wallet address that isn’t tied to me and then swap it for whatever privacy coin that exists at that moment and back to some other wallet not tied to me to spend, or through some sort of mixer or whatever. It would be a big hassle and have some fees but my point is why take the risk holding specifically Monero right now over for instance, Bitcoin, to maintain my buying power? Monero may continue to grow (maybe until it gets replaced by new tech, who knows?) but I doubt it will ever surpass Bitcoin in usage. I’m not arguing there isn’t money to be made on speculating here, just pointing out there is vastly increased risk over something like BTC. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]lordciders 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Government likes to snoop around under the pretext of protecting their citizens. Even if they don't ban the privacy apps, they'll find other ways to encroach on it. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]yepppers7 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) You would think.... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HodlMyBottleTin | Politics 15 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) That's not what governments and taxmen believe! For us of course, it's different for their billionaire buddies and themselves. Of course. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CymandeTV 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) French gouvernment enters the tchat... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]stqsh-1Tin | 5 months old 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) What would be an impact of banning on the future price of xmr? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]klykerlyTin | Superstonk 53 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) You know, there is no actual legal right to privacy. There are hacks to more or less ensure privacy, but there is not a defensible right which would be upheld by any court that matters. As much as a love privacy and love this community, this is a fallacy of our time. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]7sevenheavenTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) The Supreme Court already set the precedent in the 40's that in a state of national emergency your rights are not absolute unfortunately. If a national emergency were declared tomorrow and Crypto could be tied to it some way by politicians and the like, it would be a bit of an uphill battle in regards to what rights we would argue we have with keeping the investment, or what privacy we would have. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]4uckleheadTin | 5 months old[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (2 children) What countries banned privacy coins permalink embed save report give award reply [–]4uckleheadTin | 5 months old[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) It's kinda dumb because cash does the same thing... totally private permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]hacksnakeTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Being secure in my papers includes financial records and such as far as I'm concerned. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Esco1980 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I hate the argument most have that if you want privacy you have something to hide , like some people just want privacy , a shame this is happening but we can all keep fighting ! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]elysiansaurusPlatinum | QC: CC 20 | CAKE 6 | r/WSB 286 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Is this why monero is down today? I'm assuming yes but I need confirmation from strangers. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SwoopscooterPlatinum | QC: CC 23 | PoliticalHumor 48 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I wish privacy was a right permalink embed save report give award reply [–]syncopyinc 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (1 child) When people say privacy in Crypto I have no idea what your talking about. Everything is kyc this, passport that, emails, scan your bloody eye balls, my damn bank account feels more private than this stuff. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Zap1324Tin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Not sure where you’re buying crypto, but it’d find somewhere else permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ElToroMuyLocoPlatinum | QC: CC 43 | NEO 6 | Superstonk 91 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Exactly like cash, the bank and the government know when you buy or sell it on the market (any exchange), once you take it off the exchange you have the right to privacy to use it whatever way you want it. If cash is legal, theres no reason to make monero illegal. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]heyitscoryBronze | Economy 12 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Naw, let's go the other direction with this. The vast majority of payments related to illegal activity are made in cash. If you count fiat currency in general, we have crimes like wage theft and white color crimes that are done with fake made-up money that only exists on computers back-up up by debts and fractional reserves. That's hundreds of billions of dollars worth of crime, getting icky crime all over innocent fiat currency. Outlaw fiat. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]grigioTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) mainstream people do not understand privacy until it's too late permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CapableMachine666 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) People do tons of illegal shit with regular fiat money so the 'crypto is used for illegal purposes' argument is bullshit. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JambonBeurreMidiBronze 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) It's true, but you have to realize that the majority of people don't care about that: it's a niche thing, which needs to be preserved, but still something for people like those who read this probably, strictly. It's a waste of time to try to "convince" others that privacy is good for them. Only them can decide. By the way even if the state creates cbdcs and control people completely, I don't think most would mind at all. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mossyskeletonPlatinum | QC: CC 63 | LRC 6 | TraderSubs 14 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (1 child) How is there not a decentralized exchange that can do atomic swaps into Monero? Is that technologically too difficult? I don't have any clue where one even acquires Monero nowadays. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Zap1324Tin 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (0 children) KuCoin is what I use to buy Monero or other coins that other exchanges won’t list or have delisted permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Gaitle 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I don't against privacy. Im against the use of so called privacy to scam people in this space. It's hurt seeing your money evaporated in the hand of scammer and hacker. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]holyknight00Tin | r/Prog. 64 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Yes, all forms of privacy require leaving room for illegal activities. If illegal activities are not possible, is only because they know exactly what you are doing and you have no privacy at all. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SmiorBronze 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I stopped mining XMR for the summer. Time to start up again! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Interesting-Chip-500 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Privacy went away after 9/11.. for your own safety.. owning Privacy coins will probably be a red flag at some point.. even if you aren't doing anything wrong.. 1984 permalink embed save report give award reply [–]qlz19Tin | Unpop.Opin. 19 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (2 children) Release the Kraken! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]AutoModerator[M] 1 point2 points3 points 9 days ago (1 child) This is a friendly reminder that Kraken Support will never DM you first, ask for your username or password, or ask you to transfer funds. Kraken has its own subreddits, r/KrakenSupport and r/Kraken, and their Support Center. Ping for verified users associated with Release the Kraken: /u/krakensupport /u/krakenexchange I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]qlz19Tin | Unpop.Opin. 19 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Good Kraken. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]ayleidanthropologistTin | Politics 17 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Governments existed long before they had the ability to look into and microanalyze every aspect of my life... they don’t need that capability. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]masterbatesAlotPlatinum | QC: DOGE 140 | PoliticalHumor 14 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Cash can be used for illegal use too. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]lordchickenburgerMoon and bitcoin are me love 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) we should just abolish goevrnments and let AI rule us with world coin permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Ok-Supermarket-6747Tin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I see no reason to ban a coin based on lack of traceability since anonymous things could be done with cash money. That being said, there are also lots of personal and business use cases for traceable coins permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Sporesword 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) permalink embed save report give award reply [–]timidpterodactylPlatinum | QC: CC 68, r/DeFi 48 | r/CMS 18 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I don't understand. If you think it's not worth evaluation and it's so obvi, why bother posting about it? And if it's not, why don't you come up with a cohesive argument for Monero instead of a bunch of lazy paragraphs? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Ok-Supermarket-6747Tin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I do believe it’s really no ones business what you have as your savings. Prices should not increase for YOU just because you have saved more: that makes saving pointless and incentivizes remaining broke. Car salesman will try to charge you more if you are dressed well. Doctors will charge more if you have insurance. None of that is incentivizing younger generations to want to Work. ‘Work Ethic’ is like a toxic power play of having ‘something to prove’ and a lot of us don’t have anything to ‘prove’ we just wanna live peacefully. There seems to be Some kind of Standoff between loan providers/older generation and loan takers/younger generation where the incentive of taking a loan has been getting so low they are no longer attractive. Same way with relationships honestly...there is a lack of ‘Romance’ so to speak Where is the Sparkle? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JayFab6061Platinum | QC: CC 215, ETH 26, BTC 15 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) You know what’s interesting? I have been in the crypto world since 2016, back when bomb coin (1st deflationary coin) was announced and the fall of Bitconnect. I don’t think I have ever seen governments or any laws go after or limit the use of a cryptocurrency like how XMR is being pushed off or banned. Like SERIOUSLY NO COIN HAS EVER HAD THIS MUCH ACTION PUT AGAINST IT permalink embed save report give award reply [–]thecolordarkroomTin | QC: ETH 19 | CC critic | BANANO 29 | MiningSubs 16 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Shh 🤫 permalink embed save report give award reply [–]1_ring_2_ruleTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) USD, automobiles, the internet, language…the list goes on permalink embed save report give award reply [–]AndrewshwapTin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I mean, people have been doing illegal stuff with cash for centuries; idk why the government is acting like only criminals wanna use crypto permalink embed save report give award reply [–]teamWSB 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) $xmr will be one of the few alts to make it. I’ve felt that way for years and recent talks of CBDCs only confirms it for me permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Potential-Coat-7233Silver | 6 months old | QC: CC 35 | Buttcoin 786 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) I forget if crypto dorks like transparency or opacity. Oh well. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]killz42069 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Cash is ultra private so be prepared that the cryptocurrency will be more than private it's like VIP private period. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]thinkfireTin | GMEJungle 44 | Superstonk 83 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Nigerian government agrees with you. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Myl0high 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Just because Binance stopped doesn’t mean you can’t get those coins. It’s not really a big deal. Just stop using Binance and support a more supportive centralized crypto exchange. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]GiveitToYaGoodTin | 1 month old 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Hopefully the US wouldn't try making it illegal to use privacy coins permalink embed save report give award reply [–]gowithflow192Bronze | QC: CC 36 | r/DeFi critic 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Do you only use cash and never your debit card? I've never met anyone like this i.e. most people trust a central authority (the bank) with their spending habits. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]AlwaysLosingDough 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Completely agree. I will be stacking up on XMR permalink embed save report give award reply [–]SuperT0bi 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Well,the internet is the main cause of lots of crimes, scams and frauds(including cryptoscams n frauds).Why dont they just BAN the internet itself? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]BradVetSilver | QC: CC 487 | VET 71 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Sure thats one utopian view but will governments allow it, no chance permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DC600A 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) How about we talk about privacy capability in blockchain technology instead of just privacy coins? We don't need private blockchains with a permissioned, centralized approach. We can have an EVM-compatible layer-1 public blockchain protocol that provides confidentiality features for enhanced privacy and security using top-notch cryptographic technology like TEEs and secure enclaves. What we get as a result is the data sovereignty of users for web3 dApps where security and transparency go hand in hand. With use cases in DID and DeFi (among others) enjoying the benefit of privacy, the need for privacy coins will cease, especially when these benefits can be accessed cross-chain on any EVM dApp. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]bortbort8Tin 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) yeah dude we know lmfao, this isn't some big revelation fuckin reddit, always the last horse to cross the finish line permalink embed save report give award reply [–]KandiruBronze | QC: CC 15 | Technology 30 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) This is why decentralised exchanges are critical. That way you can swap between privacy chains and something else without relying on trusting a 3rd party. I use Decred for its privacy, and can then swap with BTC on the Dex. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Krupda42Tin | 4 months old 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) Atomic swaps mean it will always be possible to get your hands on XMR The question is whether Monero will survive I think it will tbh permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Nuk37Platinum | QC: XMR 21 0 points1 point2 points 9 days ago (0 children) based Lebanese here living in hyperinflation, everyone should USE monero, screw banks and fiat permalink embed save report give award reply [–]DMugreIn Satoshi we trust 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) IMHO the sad part about the persecution of privacy tokens is seeing this logical fallacy of a narrative being spread around the masses that proposes that the only reason anyone wants privacy is for illegal purposes, you know, the good 'ol "if you've got nothing to hide why do you need privacy?" Gaslighting bullshit. The good part about it comes in that it highlights how desperately the fiat system needs to hoard your data, how much control it demands to have over your life, and how far it's willing to go to paint your ability to consent to what information you make public or not as something only the worst scum of society would find valuable. Think about it for a second, is the government as transparent as it expects you to be? No, right? Then why should you be transparent with them? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Bongocoin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and transact in anonymous money is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CleynnTin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) I will keep on using scrt and plan to start using xmr later this month. Let's see what the French govt is gonna do, hopefully other cex'es don't comply as fast as binance. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]TutorFew7917 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) ok pedo permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Anchorman_1970 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) CEXs are ignorant ass users who are too lazy or ignorant to inform themselves permalink embed save report give award reply [–]solobdoloPlatinum | QC: CC 180 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Tons of stuff is used for illegal activity. To ban everything that is sometimes used for illegal stuff would mean banning everything and even worse giving the government the power to ban anything. The real reason they are cracking down on crypto (all crypto, no just privacy coins) is crypto represents a threat to their hegemony. Their fiat house of cards is coming down and they are scrambling to hold it up. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]solobdoloPlatinum | QC: CC 180 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Really like secret network also permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Player13377 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Monero is the only coin i believe in, fully support and happy to throw my money into. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]KatoryaBronze | Politics 42 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Kinda like dollars permalink embed save report give award reply [–]CryptoBombasticSilver | QC: CC 38 | VET 1820 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) We have all seen and can not unsee. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]BusinessBreakfast3Platinum | QC: BTC 28, CC 22 | CRO 5 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Government care about fighting privacy more than using money illegally . This is proven over and over. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]emptyzed81No Fomo 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) What are you trying to hide! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]zuzieey7719 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Yes, but this countries aren't interested in your privacy. It is the same with the dark web. It can be used for criminal purposes or to save journalists from censorship in some countries. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]wootrice35 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Monero is legit but also can be a little tricky to acquire depending on the exchanges you can access, found services like BBTT or azk to be nice alternatives if you want to stay in erc20 land. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]happs11 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) is Monero worth staking? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]badfishbeefcakeSilver | QC: CC 100 | ADA 32 | PoliticalHumor 42 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) go monero go permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Objective_Digit 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Since Lightning can do privacy Monero is redundant. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]orville_wTin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) People use publicly issued govt cash to pay for illegal stuff all the time (murder, children, drugs, stolen property, organs, weapons etc)… the basic fact that they paid for those things is one of the things that is illegal & immoral… and it’s what society does not condone or want. There is no such thing as a “right to privacy to pay for illegal activities/entities”. You simply do not have that legal right… no matter what currency you use. Therefore no currency that enables opaque payment of illegal things can “outweigh all the illegal activities that it is paying for”. - if you believe that… you are a person who desires to operate outside of the basic morals of a safe peaceful lawful society. (& you’re probably someone who should not be hanging around schools). try telling your sad illogical story to the person who had their child stolen & sold into slavery. There is no “pro or con” debate with that parent that is worth having. This isn’t an issue of currency or privacy. - Just don’t do very bad illegal shit & don’t try to buy/sell/pay for it. / be a good person. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]honestlyimeanreallyPlatinum | QC: XMR 772, CC 250, ETH 30 | MiningSubs 50 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Monero is the only reason I’m here. Everything else is shitting in a glass bathroom and pretending the man doesn’t like it. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]dericecourcyBronze | NANO 6 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) For all you privacy haters here, just go ahead and post your net worth in the comments. That's basically what you're doing using a public ledger permalink embed save report give award reply [–]tiggs 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) The problem with crypto is that people want complete privacy when it benefits them, then will turn around and want regulations and the ability to track when it benefits them. The amount of time I've seen posts on here about stolen crypto and people tracking wallets to follow the funds is insane. People are all about it and applaud the "community" for help keeping it safe. EVERYONE prefers privacy until they run into a situation where that's not beneficial to them. While I don't necessarily agree with outlawing these types of crypto projects, I think everyone downplays the amount of bad shit that can come from untracked funds. Put it this way, there are a lot more people out there looking to use these products to sell drugs, traffic children, start wars, avoid taxes, and other bad shit than there are law abiding citizens that just want to buy dildos anonymously or stop people from following their crypto transactions. Sure, cash is the largest vehicle for sponsoring illegal shit, but cash can't be transferred digitally in seconds with no trace of anything. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]clitoral_obligationsTin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) The issue is that illegal activity contaminates legal activity which fucks the entire premise of a privacy coin permalink embed save report give award reply [–]kranzjPlatinum | ADA 7 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) 💯. Privacy is a human right. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]ThomasReturnsPlatinum | QC: CC 564 | NFTsMarket. 6 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Look , theres a reason gold has always been popular. Its something that always stays in the picture, is easy to liquidate and is private as hell. I like monero for what its trying. But the hoops you need to jump trough when onboarding/offboarding just arent worth the hassle compared to oldschool non valuta valuables. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]sonalder 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Police don't need to track transactions to catch criminals. So this is useless to fight crime... permalink embed save report give award reply [–]victorsaurusTin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) However with full privacy society would go to hell. Imo compromises need to be done. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]market_theoryTin 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) I think it's important to keep in mind that governments do have a good reason for banning these coins, as a lot of illegal activity is made easier and hidden this way. Why should anyone else care about what governments want? Their violence is the only reason. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]RandomPlayerCSGOPlatinum | QC: CC 137, CM 35, XMR 30 | TraderSubs 35 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Illegal does not mean immoral, illegal transactions are good and the existence of markets outside government control is good for us and bad for the ruling class. Black markets matter. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]zatrzaskzy 0 points1 point2 points 5 days ago (0 children) I totally agree with this. The government doesn't like privacy and that's the sole reason for the ban. We cannot deny the fact that people use privacy coins for illegal transactions but the positive side of privacy outweighs the negative usage. I believe privacy protocols will prevail in the end. I still use and hold onto them. permalink embed save report give award reply [+]randomFrenchDeadbeat comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points 9 days ago (1 child) Banning untracable laundering machines available to anyone far outweights the outcry of the people using them. The right to privacy has nothing to do with this. Governments have to follow rules. No one is going to pry into your privacy with this, unless your transactions get flagged for not being in accordance with whatever revenue and activity you claim having; and even that needs to be approved by a judge... exactly the same way it would happen if you used a bank account. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]coachhunter2 -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 days ago (2 children) Why do people have a right to privacy? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Elie0_0[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 days ago* (0 children) Why do people have the right of free speech, or which religion they choose, etc? Assuming you wouldn't try to silence someone for speaking their minds, you agree that they indeed do have that right. Now ask the same question, why do humans have right to free speech? Because it's the right thing for people to have that freedom. It's as vague as it sounds. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]dericecourcyBronze | NANO 6 0 points1 point2 points 8 days ago (0 children) Because everyone has to pick their nose sometimes permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]ghochumalPlatinum | QC: CC 399, ETH 25 | BANANO 12 | TraderSubs 25 comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 9 days ago (0 children) Unfortunately privacy is in the hands of your government and this fact can't be denied permalink embed save report give award reply [–]mcc011ins -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 days ago* (0 children) It's two opposing forces, privacy and transparency. Both have an equal justification. A lack of privacy leads to the authoritarian surveillance state, a lack of transparency leads to corruption and terror financing. I really like the sweet spot between transparency and privacy of regular cryptocurrencies like ethereum and Bitcoin. They are transparent and private at the same time. Pseudonymous but you can identify shady business of some sort. You can follow the money but not directly see names and postal addresses. It's a free for all, information is not restricted to certain powerful banks, all have equal amount of access to the money flows. I think it's the least bad choice among a selection of bad choices. permalink embed save report give award reply [+][deleted] 9 days ago (2 children) [deleted] [–]DryArmPitsTin | CRO 8 6 points7 points8 points 9 days ago (1 child) Monero is private, secure and untraceable by default. No need to use x, y, z that risk introducing failure points. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]JustreadingcommentPlatinum | QC: CC 255 -2 points-1 points0 points 9 days ago (0 children) But the illegal uses far outweigh everything else. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Ok-Supermarket-6747Tin -2 points-1 points0 points 9 days ago (0 children) Personally I believe Monero should be wrapped or forked or something into the traceable system, such that balances from the Monero account cannot be found but transferring as wrapped or flatout exchanging to a different crypto yields traceable. I have not used it so idk what it’s like as a user but that’s my take on it permalink embed save report give award reply [–]MonkfichTin -2 points-1 points0 points 9 days ago (0 children) Money laundering shouldn’t be minimised or believed to not be worth concessions. Money laundering especially allows financing of terrorist organisations and North Korea too. It also allows drug cartels to get more profits so they can expand operations and flood your country with more shit. permalink embed save report give award reply

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Tor history and technology
by professor rat 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

>>> . . . the requirement is 50GB per day, *per link*. Imagine you are a TOR entry node. If you are serving 1,000 people - which is not a whole lot - you need to serve 50 TB of dummy traffic per day. For free. Big ouch. Plus you need links to intermediate nodes - to do this properly you need a link to every possible intermediate node, which should be in the tens of thousands or more. 550 TB per day. . . . <<< Sounds like ' Everyone a Remailer " will need ubiquitous quantum computing. The quantum internet.

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Tor history and technology
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

If you want me to thread like Semich then I suggest you both go fuck yourselves.

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Neo-Nazi Chased out of Anarchist Bookstore
by professor rat 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

Full title: Anti-LGBTQ+ Neo-Nazi Chased out of Anarchist Bookstore in Philadelphia Has History of Exposing Himself to “Teenage Girls” https://anarchistnews.org/content/anti-lgbtq-neo-nazi-chased-out-anarchist-… Reposts not yet more bilge from Bloomberg & escape to New York

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Cryptocurrency: Cut The Chains Of Your Financial Serfdom
by grarpamp 10 Jun '23

10 Jun '23

12 Ways To Cut The Chains Of Financial Serfdom Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog, Just because nobody talks about financial serfdom doesn't mean it's not real. Ours is a neofeudal economy of financial serfs in servitude to a Financial Aristocracy. The Financial Nobility / Aristocracy own all the debt and the serfs owe the debt to the Aristocracy. The serfs own assets that don't generate much income, the Aristocracy owns assets that generate trillions of dollars in income. The serfs pay high tax rates if they make above-poverty wages, the Financial Nobility pay low taxes thanks to tax-avoidance scams arranged by the Aristocracy's toadies and lackeys in the Central State. The serfs create value, the Financial Nobility is parasitic. That we are powerless is one of the key social control myths constantly promoted by the Status Quo. What better way to keep the serfs passive than to reinforce a belief in their powerlessness against Financial Feudalism? But we are not powerless. Our complicity gives the Financial Aristocracy its power. Remove our complicity and the Aristocracy implodes. The pathway of liberation is to opt out of financial feudalism. Here are twelve paths any adult can legally pursue in the course of their daily lives: 1. Support the decentralized, non-market economy. The core ideology of consumerism and financialization is that non-market assets and experiences have no status or financial value. This includes social capital, meals with friends, projects done cooperatively with friends, home gardens and dozens of other decentralized activities that cannot be financialized into centralized market transactions. Identity and social status are established in the non-market economy by collaboration, sharing, reciprocity, conviviality and generosity. Decentralized means localized; farmers markets are examples of local market economies where the transactions are in cash (so banks can't skim transactions fees) and the money stays in the local economy rather than flowing to some distant concentration of capital. If you start valuing non-market assets and experiences as the most important markers of status, you are resisting both financialization and consumerism. Top-down centralized "solutions" imposed by the Central State are the problem, not the solution, as they further the concentration of wealth and power into unstable monocultures. Stop looking to overly complex fake-reforms and centralized solutions to unsustainable systems and start exploring decentralized, localized solutions that bypass both the Central State and the Financial Aristocracy. 2. Stop participating in financialization. Financialization is the insidious imperative of the Financial Aristocracy that seeks to turn every human interaction into a financial transaction that can be charged a fee, and transform all assets into financialized instruments that can be commoditized and sold for immensely profitable fees. As the finances of local governments implode under the weight of their protected fiefdoms, many are heeding the siren song of financialization as a temporary (and inevitably disastrous) "fix" to their structural insolvency. For example, the revenue stream from parking meters is financialized into an asset that is sold to a private corporation. When parking fees double, the residents of the city have no recourse via democracy or petition, as the meters in their city are now "owned" by a distant concentration of capital that can double late fees, charge outrageous transaction costs, etc., at will. This is how financialization inevitably transitions into financial tyranny. The erosion of America's middle class security has several structural causes, but chief among them was the financialization of the housing market. This has led to serial bubbles of housing valuations and the widespread extraction of equity for consumption--the classic "windfall" that financialization always produces in its first toxic blush. 3. Redefine self-interest to exclude debt-servitude and dependence on consumerism and the Central State. Unless you are long retired and have no other option, minimize reliance on the State. Reliance on the State weakens the correlation between sustained effort and gain, so the work ethic and entrepreneurism both atrophy as they no longer offer competitive advantages in a system where bread and circuses are guaranteed by the State. 4. Act on your awareness that the nature of prosperity and financial security is changing. Dependence on centralized concentrations of power (Wall Street and the Central State) is now an extremely risky wager that what is demonstrably unsustainable will magically become sustainable via pixie dust or more Federal Reserve trickery. Security flows from resilience, self-reliance, decentralized, diversified sources of income and abundant social capital, not speculation fueled by Fed policies and Wall Street. 5. Stop supporting distant concentrations of capital that subvert democracy by using their gargantuan profits to buy the machinery of State governance and regulation. For example, stop watching broadcast programming owned by the six global media corporations that control the vast majority of the media/marketing complex. Stop eroding your health and sending your money to corporate headquarters by no longer frequenting fast-food restaurants and by no longer buying unhealthy packaged foods from corporate agribusiness. Close your accounts with Wall Street investment firms and the "too big to fail" banks that dominate the mortgage, credit and debt markets in the U.S. If you need such an account to transact your business, maintain low balances so the banks cannot sweep your capital for their own use every day. 6. Stop supporting the debt-and-leverage based Financial Aristocracy. Liquidate all debt as soon as possible, take on no new debt except for short periods of time, explore localized or crowd-sourced private-capital loans that exclude the banks and limit the number of financial transactions that enrich the banks and Wall Street. 7. Transfer your assets out of Wall Street and into local enterprises or assets that do not enrich and empower Wall Street. Buy assets you control 100%, without the mediation of Wall Street. 8. Refuse to participate in consumerist status identifiers and the social defeat they create. Stop admiring and respecting those displaying status signifiers (supercars, $300 million yachts, etc.); start thinking of them as pathetic prisoners of a pathological mindset. Stop judging people based on their lack of status signifiers. Free your own mind from the toxic sociopathology of consumerism and social defeat. Stop watching commercial television and streaming corporate distractions and minimize your exposure to marketing and consumerist propaganda. 9. Vote in every election with an eye on rewarding honesty and truth and punishing empty promises. Unless the incumbent has renounced corporate contributions, unsustainable debt, financial tyranny and Central State encroachment of civil liberties, then vote against the incumbent, for they are just another lackey of the State-Plutocracy partnership. Avoid voting for either the Demopublican or Republicrat branches of the plutocracy; vote for an independent or third party candidate. Remember that resistance isn't just about refusing to participate in pathological neofeudalism; it’s about establishing a sustainable alternative to the unsustainable State-Aristocracy partnership. When people say that voting for a third-party candidate is "wasting your vote," reply that voting for either of the plutocrat parties is the real waste of a vote because their "leadership" is dooming the nation to destabilization and insolvency. As independents pick up more and more "wasted" votes, they shift from being "marginalized" to becoming powerful voices of integrity and transparency. 10. Stop supporting inflationary policies such as money creation - QE by the Federal Reserve and Federal deficit spending. Act on your knowledge that inflation is theft and that the Federal Reserve is a private consortium of banks that is the enabler and protector of the parasitic Financial Aristocracy. 11. Become healthy, active and fit. Refuse to consume unhealthy junk food and packaged food, refuse to squander much of your time in sedentary "consumption" of corporate "entertainment" and digital distraction, and devote your energy and time to mastery, new skills, developing social capital and friendships, projects you own and enterprises that benefit your true self-interest. Refuse to follow the marketing/media siren song into chronic ill-health, social-media addiction and social defeat. 12. Embrace self-directed plans and construct a resilient, community-based, localized life of identity and meaning. Build a social ecology of positive, productive, collaborative, non-pathological people of like minds and spirits. Be powerful via Self-Reliance, not powerless via apathy, passivity and complicity.

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Adam Backs dementia problem
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 09 Jun '23

09 Jun '23

On the senile cypherpunks planet piss is lemonade and shit is chocolate. Also wise Guys never took out contracts on anybody and online assassination markets were never even dreamed of. " . . Cypherpunks like Wei Dai, Tim May, myself were interested in smart contracts, anonymous or pseudonymous commerce using reputations, good behavior bonds etc without the possibility for physical enforcement and smart contracts rather than court/arbitration process. A decade of alt Adam Back @adam3us altcoin premines, ICOs, definitely, nft rug-pull exit scams shows empirically that was maybe optimistic. Self regulation, smart contracts, in theory preferable, in practice can it work in isolation? I think cypherpunks underestimated the casino use case with rug-pull incentive. . . . " Reposts not revisionist crap from a circle of lapdog eunuch poodles.

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