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Re: [Cryptography] How the CIA Made Google
by grarpamp 01 Feb '15

01 Feb '15

Previously: >>> They aren't handing data to NSA? Show us, how? The executive >>> doesn't take their agenda from 'Highlands Forum' ? Show us, that >>> you don't. The pipes between data centers are encrypted by keys >>> that aren't being leaked -- where's the evidence? Your CSO doesn't >>> have a phone in his shoe? Let’s see! >> Hmmm… proving negatives. Does that have something to do with >> quantum entanglement? No, it has to do with good old fashioned integrity, openness and honesty with the public. People can spot that, or lack thereof, from miles away. On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Tom Mitchell <mitch(a)niftyegg.com> wrote: > I might also note that there has not been (yet?) a Snowden event disclosing > bad behaviour initiated by Google. Consensus is that the very first Snodwn release, the PRISM slides and language therein, indicated some form of bilateral partnership with a large number of internet companies. Plus the AT&T tap room thing, and other known early parts of the storyline. It is unreasonable to assume that there is a strictly arms length, Judge signed, per transaction basis going on there. Where you have any relationship at all, loose buddy relationships develop to various degrees. > The international nature of Google puts them in a much harder > place than a TLA as serious blunders could roll up the business > and give them no place to hide. Google is an American company. Companies and govts don't generally wish or extend their secret jewels to offshore risk. Though occaisionally embassies and corps do get caught off guard or are bound by certain rules. > The reality I suspect is: Google protects its data with more > care than most federal agencies. Data protection regimen is separate from what you elect to do with that data. Good regimen makes it easier to control and manage your plans, ie: classification. This is not to say these things are true, but that there is less and/or unconvincing evidence that they are not, and at least resonable cause to consider that they are. On innocence... Why are the Boards, CEO's, Officers and staff of these companies not speaking up and saying they had and have no non judicially forced role in the spying of Snowdens revelations? On resistance... QWEST (Nacchio) tried to stand up, for a few minutes at least till resigning and later jailed. Replaced by, AT&T's (Notebaert). Lavabit (Levison) stood up, and closed. We're now seeing some companies doing "good things" in this space. But that doesn't address the original question of innocence or guilt. On guilt... Or maybe they're not speaking up because... like the US refuses to disclose any of the credible terror plots and bad guys they claim to be rolling up as mass spying result... maybe its because they have a bit of a problem with their story there. Who knows. But if you're clean and can back it, and are in the middle of a hot mess, keeping silent is a pretty dumb thing to do for your reputation. Needs more openness.

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US Wiretap Report 2013
by grarpamp 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

http://www.uscourts.gov/Statistics/WiretapReports/wiretap-report-2013.aspx According to Snowden and other sources... their numbers seem a little low.

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Fusion Centers: IGNITE! [Fwd: Cold War-era FBI memos show how close the US came to declaring Martial Law | Private Prisons "cherry pick" their populace]
by coderman 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

"... 12,949 individuals would immediately be detained as a likely threat to national security for their ties to "subversive organizations." ^- your threat model also includes advance observation of unilateral relocations . ;) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: MuckRock <info(a)muckrock.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:00:09 +0000 Subject: Cold War-era FBI memos show how close the US came to declaring Martial Law | Private Prisons "cherry pick" their populace ** The top secret Cold War plan to bring the United States under martial law ------------------------------------------------------------ ** 12,949 individuals would immediately be detained as a likely threat to national security for their ties to "subversive organizations." ------------------------------------------------------------ Starting on April 19, 1956, the federal government practiced and planned for a near-doomsday scenario known as Plan C. When activated, Plan C would have brought the United States under martial law, rounded up over ten thousand individuals connected to "subversive" organizations, implemented a censorship board, and prepared the country for life after nuclear attack. There was no Plan A or B. ** In Florida, clear guidelines give private prisons priority ------------------------------------------------------------ Those with serious medical or psychological issues are left to the state Do private prisons “cherry pick” inmates, leaving state Corrections departments saddled with offenders in need of more expensive care? While it’s not quite selecting from a line up, they do set the guidelines for who’s in or out. ** North Carolina’s 1033 program data is clearly public, says state Attorney General ------------------------------------------------------------ ** "Air Force Cyber Vision 2025" includes quantum processors, self-healing code, and next-gen "cyber-warriors" ------------------------------------------------------------ ============================================================ Copyright © 2015 MuckRock, All rights reserved. You're receiving this e-mail because you're either a member of MuckRock.com or asked to stay in touch with what we're up to. Our mailing address is: MuckRock 135 William T Morrissey Blvd ‎ Dorchester, Massachusetts 02125 USA

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Nafeez's Google History lacks US Customs & Secret Service
by Anonymous Remailer (austria) 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

Nafeez's Google History lacks US Customs & Secret Service Re Nafeez's convoluted Google history that neglects to mention altavista et al were seized by us customs and us secret service, held by marshalls until transfer to DHS. You neglect one of the most important historical factors that merged the commercial civil indexing systems with other monitoring: altavista (and others) was seized by US Customs for illegal export and laundering of stolen copywrite content with US Secret Service for computer crimes. Result was bot indexing rules and Yahoo. ALL of the large search systems are state managed.

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Re: [Cryptography] How the CIA Made Google
by John Young 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

An early program of Highlands Group was perception management by which public opinion would be shaped by disparagement of opposition to ubiquitous gov-com spying with gambits like "tin-foil hat," "conspiracy theory," and other forms of reputation attacks. Chorusing these terms becomes habitual with repetition, even among those who are otherwise open-minded to novel scientific and theological innovations so long as the innovations are peer-reviewed or sanctioned by authorities, even when the authorities are revealed to be self-serving and corrupt, perhaps especially so. That is the crippling effects of standards setting in all human endeavors, the favoritism toward standards setting obedient members and ostacism of dissenters to the dominants. Fortunately, the tin-hatters and conspiriacists overturn the sclerotic hegemons if not burned at the stake, imprisoned, die of impoverishment, driven to suicide. Mercy is never a characteristic of certitude and maddened crowd-minds compelled to admire miters, crowns, helmets, wigs of judmentalist soothsayers self-anointed deitific and scientific absolutist perception managers -- also known as spymasters. At 09:31 PM 1/29/2015, Henry Baker wrote: >At 06:30 AM 1/29/2015, John Young wrote: > >https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e > > > >Fascinating research, with gobs of suspects besides TLAs, Brin and Page, > >some here now, some here back then, as suspected then and now. Not > >that there is anything wrong with suspecting cpunks was made similarly. > >In the same vein, but with a bit less tin foil hattery: > >http://steveblank.com/secret-history/

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chinese drunk droner crashes spy into white house
by Troy Benjegerdes 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

How did I wake up in a Douglas Adams novel today, did anyone check for vogons? The only way it could be better is if he was drunk on russian vodka. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/01/28/after_white_house_crash_… The only logical explaination for this is someone who knows how completely busted and broken the system has gotten is trying to make a point. It's the complete absurdity of stuff like this that convinces me that no 'vast government conspiracy' could ever survive the organizational incompetence. Or at least, that's what the vogons want me to think.

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Spies LEVITATE infohounds, filesharers, and Glee watchers
by grarpamp 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

http://www.cbc.ca/news/cse-tracks-millions-of-downloads-daily-snowden-docum… https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/28/canada-cse-levitation-mass-su… So what do you do if you're a vast global adversary network of old chums, with unlimited resources, a world citizenry that is perhaps becoming unafraid of terrists as background noise, and some might say an authority to keep? Why, sit back and spy on everyday knowledge seekers, file sharers and you tubers of course! Everything cypherpunks were saying in 1984 is coming true. The story continues...

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Re: Cypherpunk Politics
by shelley＠misanthropia.org 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

---------- On January 29, 2015 2:32:01 PM Juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The judeo-christian western empire, I mean, Civilization, is the > most civilized civilization there is. And we will bomb the shit out of... er, i mean bring our civilized form of capitalistic FREEDOM (and jesus- same thing, amirite?!) to any nation that says otherwise (or, that has oil. Again, same thing...)

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Re: [tor-talk] Tor -> VPN Clarification
by grarpamp 31 Jan '15

31 Jan '15

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:54 PM, Mirimir <mirimir(a)riseup.net> wrote: > JonDoNym / JAP I'm seeing references to this tool pop up recently in various places. Keep in mind the controversie from years ago and read the label on the tin carefully. That's not to say it's not fit for use once you understand its fitness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Anon_Proxy

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Re: Cypherpunk Politics
by Ryan Carboni 30 Jan '15

30 Jan '15

Perhaps the best solution is the final solution. Legalize assassination politics.

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