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Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?
by Michael Best 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

Normally I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, John, but the last time in this discussion you said something was disinfo it was the logs. > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:21:24 -0400 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org > Subject: Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying > customers? > Message-ID: <E1ZlQqs-0004zf-Hg(a)elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 08:03 PM 10/11/2015, you wrote: > >The Netsol support pages are disinfo? bullshit > > They are indeed that. Requests languor unanswered. > Nowadays standard business practice, off-shore no longer > reliable either. Just don't respond. Get bought out by > Web.com and slowly disappear after handing over decades > of user data for exploitation. The Apple future, or maybe > present if hobnobbing with US and CN leaders give a > clue. >

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Trying to invoke Godwin's law for some threads on this so called list
by Georgi Guninski 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

Just trying to invoke Godwin's law [0] for some threads on this so called list. It is full of alleged natsec and/or/iff nazis AFAICT. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Godwin%27s_law&oldid=685169685

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[cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
by Michael Best 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

> > *Cari Machet* carimachet(a)gmail.com > > <carimachet%40gmail.com?Subject=Re%3A%20%5Bcryptome%5D%20Re%3A%20%5Bcryptome%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CCAGRDzQWNCCe7AUOL%3D-YoFUdi5%2Bm2KPxsq30D3OJzgJjQUrMaCw%40mail.gmail.com%3E>*Sun > Oct 11 12:25:43 EDT 2015* > reveal was to protect the community (fr john) then why was that act > > protecting the community > avoided by mike Plus no ask to the list but said asked the list and if the point of the > First email asked for help, no reason the list was excluded from that even though I explicitly asked John for help verifying it. Then I asked open endedly on Twitter. Also, you seem to be confusing this list with the community of Cryptome's visitors. There's overlap, sure, but they are *not* the same. Plus, John deleted the early emails I made to the Cryptome list, which is more explicitly the mailing list that would be best identified as the community you're referring to.

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Fwd: How to go about sharing (was: one of a dozen threads about Cryptome)
by Travis Biehn 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

+Cpunks ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Travis Biehn <tbiehn(a)gmail.com> Date: Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:25 PM Subject: Re: How to go about sharing (was: one of a dozen threads about Cryptome) To: Michael Best <themikebest(a)gmail.com> Unnecessary for what threats? Who is the arbiter / granter of authority on 'copyright' or 'DMCA' takedowns? What is this 'violation'? Do I, as an oppressive regime worker, simply need to put 'Copyright the TLAs, all rights reserved" next to my TS stamp to keep it off your website? Hosting over HTTP(s) provides neither anonymity, nor metadata anonymity. There isn't much you can do to change this, except loudly inform your userbase of these properties, provide them with mechanisms to ensure the integrity of the resource and provide alternative protocols which possess these desired qualities. How do you attest to the data provenance, your attestation or guarantee of integrity AND completeness? Archive.org is not 'censorship resistant'. -Travis On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Michael Best <themikebest(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thoughts - All good advice in it's own way, but mostly it seems > unnecessary. Aside from copyright and reprint issues, 99% of what's on > Cryptome is not only open source, it's not really objectionable in terms of > hosting it. > > TheCthulhu does a great job of distributing large amounts of data, but > that's it's own thing and requires an ongoing budget and infrastructure. > > I figure with Archive.org I can distribute 99.9% of material and not worry > about copyright, bandwidth, etc. If it turns out there's a violation I > missed, the item gets taken down - not the entire site or all the uploads. > On the rare occasion that there's something else, I'd rather take whatever > steps are needed to distribute it then rather than try to build my own > independent infrastructure ahead of time. > > Things to add? Holes to poke in my logic? > > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Travis Biehn wrote: >> >* You can start by re-posting the leaked traffic logs... (Editorial *>* >> discretion is frowned upon amongst the idealists.) *> >> >* Maybe set up an onion, host on i2p, freenet (hehehe), ethereum, the *>* >> blockchain, torrents. Spread it far and wide, set up a PKI, set up a *>* >> WOT, keep it all offline. *> >> >* If you're a real masochist you'll host the docs on some crazy *>* >> 'website' with no indirection protecting you from legal/illegal/TLA *>* >> action. Keep the info off the dark web, off the deep web and in the *>* >> search indexes. *> >> >* Warrant canary (which won't work), encryption (you won't be safe) and >> *>* signatures (secrets will be stolen.) *> >> >* If you think you can survive as well as JYA, Deb & fare better than *>* >> Assange, go for it. Be prepared. *> >> >* It doesn't pay very well. You'd have to be crazy to do this. * Or you >> can be like TheCthulhu and run your own data centre with >> good lawyers. Alfie > > -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn> -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>

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Re: How to go about sharing (was: one of a dozen threads about Cryptome)
by Michael Best 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

Each depends on the situation, and whether or not fair use applies. If there are mechanisms in place to sell or license the content, fair use is less likely to apply. So far, I haven't had any big problems with IA despite 100k+ items, several TB of data and 1% their text library. Will somethings be an issue? Maybe, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it and not worry about it until I know what chasm I have to cross and where. Provenance etc. is situation dependent, no categorical answer exists that isn't a bald faced lie. On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Travis Biehn <tbiehn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Unnecessary for what threats? Who is the arbiter / granter of authority on > 'copyright' or 'DMCA' takedowns? What is this 'violation'? Do I, as an > oppressive regime worker, simply need to put 'Copyright the TLAs, all > rights reserved" next to my TS stamp to keep it off your website? > > Hosting over HTTP(s) provides neither anonymity, nor metadata anonymity. > There isn't much you can do to change this, except loudly inform your > userbase of these properties, provide them with mechanisms to ensure the > integrity of the resource and provide alternative protocols which possess > these desired qualities. > > How do you attest to the data provenance, your attestation or guarantee of > integrity AND completeness? > > Archive.org is not 'censorship resistant'. > > -Travis > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Michael Best <themikebest(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thoughts - All good advice in it's own way, but mostly it seems >> unnecessary. Aside from copyright and reprint issues, 99% of what's on >> Cryptome is not only open source, it's not really objectionable in terms of >> hosting it. >> >> TheCthulhu does a great job of distributing large amounts of data, but >> that's it's own thing and requires an ongoing budget and infrastructure. >> >> I figure with Archive.org I can distribute 99.9% of material and not >> worry about copyright, bandwidth, etc. If it turns out there's a violation >> I missed, the item gets taken down - not the entire site or all the >> uploads. On the rare occasion that there's something else, I'd rather take >> whatever steps are needed to distribute it then rather than try to build my >> own independent infrastructure ahead of time. >> >> Things to add? Holes to poke in my logic? >> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015, at 12:32 PM, Travis Biehn wrote: >>> >* You can start by re-posting the leaked traffic logs... (Editorial *>* >>> discretion is frowned upon amongst the idealists.) *> >>> >* Maybe set up an onion, host on i2p, freenet (hehehe), ethereum, the * >>> >* blockchain, torrents. Spread it far and wide, set up a PKI, set up a >>> *>* WOT, keep it all offline. *> >>> >* If you're a real masochist you'll host the docs on some crazy *>* >>> 'website' with no indirection protecting you from legal/illegal/TLA *>* >>> action. Keep the info off the dark web, off the deep web and in the *>* >>> search indexes. *> >>> >* Warrant canary (which won't work), encryption (you won't be safe) >>> and *>* signatures (secrets will be stolen.) *> >>> >* If you think you can survive as well as JYA, Deb & fare better than * >>> >* Assange, go for it. Be prepared. *> >>> >* It doesn't pay very well. You'd have to be crazy to do this. * Or >>> you can be like TheCthulhu and run your own data centre with >>> good lawyers. Alfie >> >> > > > -- > Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub > <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | > Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn> >

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Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?
by Dr. J Feinstein 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

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Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?
by John Young 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

At 08:03 PM 10/11/2015, you wrote: >The Netsol support pages are disinfo? bullshit They are indeed that. Requests languor unanswered. Nowadays standard business practice, off-shore no longer reliable either. Just don't respond. Get bought out by Web.com and slowly disappear after handing over decades of user data for exploitation. The Apple future, or maybe present if hobnobbing with US and CN leaders give a clue.

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Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?
by Dr. J Feinstein 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

Signed up for the lidt to get answers about this but its just more BS Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 11:52 PM From: "John Young" <jya(a)pipeline.com> To: cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org Subject: Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers? At 06:54 PM 10/11/2015, you wrote: >So why does Netsol contradict JYA about the log settings? NetSol is a bundle of contradictions, the essence of ISPs. We have always logged the actions of our ISPs and their ISPs, upstream and downstream, services and support, security and vulns. So too mail lists, SM, chats, as instructed by this forum and its many offshoots working all sides, warning of perfidy to hide perfidy. Check those links we posted about how the spies work this fertile terrain of paranoia and over-confidence, feeding the wired and wireless news machine, advertisers and officials, now cybersecurity being ratcheted up to WMD level. Coders as glamorous as physicists. Nobels and MacArthurs acoming. And the opportunist anti-coders smelling the coffee of protests. Cryptographers facing the opprobrium of WMD-makers when the public grasps what fools they have been taken for through the same old scam, public protection requires ever greater national secrecy among the select. Unbreakable crypto then declared illegal everywhere, and only cryptographers know what unbreakable means: smoke and mirrors, lots of mirrors.

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Re: Why cryptome sold web logs to their paying customers?
by John Young 12 Oct '15

12 Oct '15

At 06:54 PM 10/11/2015, you wrote: >So why does Netsol contradict JYA about the log settings? NetSol is a bundle of contradictions, the essence of ISPs. We have always logged the actions of our ISPs and their ISPs, upstream and downstream, services and support, security and vulns. So too mail lists, SM, chats, as instructed by this forum and its many offshoots working all sides, warning of perfidy to hide perfidy. Check those links we posted about how the spies work this fertile terrain of paranoia and over-confidence, feeding the wired and wireless news machine, advertisers and officials, now cybersecurity being ratcheted up to WMD level. Coders as glamorous as physicists. Nobels and MacArthurs acoming. And the opportunist anti-coders smelling the coffee of protests. Cryptographers facing the opprobrium of WMD-makers when the public grasps what fools they have been taken for through the same old scam, public protection requires ever greater national secrecy among the select. Unbreakable crypto then declared illegal everywhere, and only cryptographers know what unbreakable means: smoke and mirrors, lots of mirrors.

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Re: why we need more cryptome mirrors, in all corners
by John Young 11 Oct '15

11 Oct '15

And, best, no pun, every mirror unique and as flawed as their makers, like none other, especially differing from the source and its makers. Mirrors are mirrors, like originals, are always illusory and evermore changing and degrading -- with crypto and comsec and infosec. Archives, drops, mirrors, crypto, USBs, AWstats, leaks, Wiki fools gold. This forum a grain of a great Sahara. From these grains mirrors of mirrors of mirrors. Forsoothed Alice to narcissistic Bob. At 06:45 PM 10/11/2015, you wrote: >On 10/10/15, Shelley <shelley(a)misanthropia.org> wrote: > > ... > > The Cryptome archives *are* publicly accessible. John limits bots and > > leechers to a certain number of files per day (as is his right, he is > > paying for the bandwidth), approx 100 iirc, but anyone who can use search > > strings can find anything on the site. > > >it is exceptionally difficult, short of ordering physical duplicates, >to obtain a significant portion of cryptome archive from cryptome.org. > >part of this is inherent abuse - any mirror gets serious algorithmic >beatings - akin to HackingTeam mirrors perhaps, not counting the >mindless cloud VM bot walkers, annoying enough. even the hidden >service only mirrors got offensive proddings. remember, some of >cryptome-opponents are relying on obscurity - thwarted every time some >makes a mirror... > >for this, i am quite grateful to see the archive.org natsec section >expanded with cryptome mirror! >https://archive.org/details/nationalsecurityarchive > >thanks to all involved (esp. you, Michael :) > > >best regards,

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