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Re: Re: moderation test
by bvaughn74＠gmx.com 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

> be excellent to each other http://i.imgur.com/2Zlj7iM.jpg -----Original message----- Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2016 at 10:45:02 From: "Deorge Chesterton" <deorgie(a)gmail.com> To: bvaughn74@gmx.com,cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: moderation test Try again, thought police, we still got it Oh yeah, and why would a list full of well-read, realist dystopian, borderline nihilist, self-proclaimed anarchists, even remotely want any part of such a thing? Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: BVAUGHN74! /golf claps Peace seems never to arrive without a pre-emptive period of chaos. Don't take that away from all of us Dr. Ian Malcolms. How will we stay on top of the food chain if we are afraid to speak? Nice meeting you all, by the way. For all I know I'm probably looking like an ass for not knowing whatever prompted this and simply reacting irrationality as a result. Back to the lurker dungeon. be excellent to each other whenever and wherever possible, my ninjacompoops On Sat, Jun 25, 2016, 02:31 <bvaughn74(a)gmx.com> wrote: > <> >

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Re: Publicly Usable Secure Rooms
by John Young 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

Portable SCIFs have been around for decades, tent-size and desk-top: http://cryptome.org/bema-se.htm More compact and emanation-resistant now. Carry your own. Entrepreneurs would offer curb-side service, like food carts, or larger like waste shredders and blood test labs. Yarping and texting on cellphones in the open, believing privacy policies, faith in crypto, wi-fi, ISPs, VPNs, HTTPS, Tor, clouds, IoT, is day-dreaming, making sellers rich. Anything that encourages and supports self-security instead of products, standards, official protectors, is the right direction. Quietly clumsy beats drum-beating authorities ever compromising their users for cohorts. SCIFs leak, sure, rig fixes, test, retest, minimize use of EMR devices, don't bet your life on any security, homebrew or top 10. Have a nice day. At 05:00 PM 6/23/2016, you wrote: >On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:14 AM, Karl Semich ><<mailto:gmkarl@gmail.com>gmkarl(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I would like to index such places, and create motion towards such >security being accessible for all people. > > >Attempting to compile such a list would be >laborious and self-defeating.Â It would invite >compromise of the enumerated "secure" locations. Â > >It would be more useful to compile >characteristics of "secure public spaces", and >heuristics for locating them in one's local >environs.Â How can we tell - without special >equipment etc - if a given space is >monitored?Â If we land in an unfamiliar city, >how can we correctly "guess" where to find a secure public space? > >On a recent trip I discovered a little 3' x 4' >nook in the outside wall of LA's Bonaventure >Hotel.Â Tho adjacent to areas of high >pedestrian traffic, the nook was unspied by any >cameras.Â No microphones or other sensors were >visible nearby.Â A blissful respite from the >otherwise panoptic surveillance of urban California. Â > >In this case we might speculatively take the >hotel's Brutalist architecture as the heuristic >for finding similar spaces.Â Although sometimes >described as an aesthetically "fascist" style, >Brutalist architects loved to create little >difficult-to-surveil nooks & crannies in their >buildings.Â Alas many of these spaces have been >fenced up by the buildings' current Centrist >owners.Â For example theÂ ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Service_Center_(Boston)#/media/Fil…>contemptible >disfigurement of Boston's magnificent Government Service Center building. > >What are other heuristics for finding secure less-surveilled spaces?

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Philip K. Dick foreshadowing the post-Snowden world
by grarpamp 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/497ndj/philip_k_dick_foreshadow… The android and the human, 1972

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Re: [tor-dev] Freenet + Onioncat: Is the traffic welcome?
by grarpamp 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

On 6/22/16, konstant(a)mail2tor.com <konstant(a)mail2tor.com> wrote: > I want to be clear about a couple of things. I am not looking to defy the > wishes of Tor developers and relay contributors. I hope to get their views > on the matter. Should they explicitly refuse, I will look at I2P. When I ran, donated, managed relays... only wanted all of what I paid for to be consumed. "Wished" it would be in alignment with certain ideals, but realized that's not reality. For more and different opinions from relays, you might want to post to tor-relays@ referencing the archive url to this thread. > Second, my idea does not touch Exit bandwidth at all. We will only deploy > hidden services. Yeah, it's freenet over tor. Makes for an interesting definition of hidden service. Don't forget to add around 1000+ ms latency. > Wasting resources is abusive. However, comparing bittorrent traffic to > Freenet doesn't do it justice. Freenet is used by dissidents for freedom > of speech and publishing small static files like blogs, not to share gigs > of media files. Anonymous uncensorable overlay networks, are "used" by whoever, for whatever, limited only by the techinical and practical capabilities of each network. There are many "gigs of media files" being shared over freenet and other nets by many happy and even wasteful users. This fact understandably burns the britches of those who intend their network to be used only for some other purposes. It happens. There seems to be ongoing and growing interest around the world in overlay nets and parallel wire[less] 'guerilla' nets, and lots of room for improved and new code and models. No worries here. > [arma] the main rule is that if you're going to add traffic to tor, run some relays to match > [arma] for hidden services, that's 1MB/s of traffic onto 6 places, so 6MB/s This has always been my position. Each user of these "free" community powered networks has an impact. For some nets this has readily calculable minimums, like tor and its 6x minimum for exclusively non-exit (HS) use. Other nets or usage models may be roughly estimated. Therefore each user of such networks should know / learn the impact for their respective network. And should realize that they are in a way obligated to return the resources they consume, as otherwise their network will not have headroom and their own experience will go downhill fast. > Freenet has 10KiB/s minimum bandwidth requirement. Note that the correct form for engineering, and apps interfacing at the level of, network traffic rates... is bits (b), not bytes (B), and decimal prefixes, not binary prefixes.

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Re: [tor-dev] Freenet + Onioncat: Is the traffic welcome?
by grarpamp 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

On 6/24/16, konstant(a)mail2tor.com <konstant(a)mail2tor.com> wrote: > Chinese users can reach Freenet again with Tor. China blocks Freenet with > DPI for a long time. This use case is nice to hear. Compared to other networks and attack vectors it's not the best at, Tor has put good effort into and is rather strong at getting around DPI type censorship. Other nets can probably learn something from tor re this. >> As Roger suggested, we should be aware of how much load this project adds >> to the Tor network. > Easy. The Tor seednodes can track unique addresses they see. Yes any unix packet filter can count this by IPv6 netblock. (Different example, to count tor / i2p clearnet, that needs done by UID.)

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Re: How is Phantom coming along?
by grarpamp 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

On 6/24/16, behnam rousta <behnam.roustaei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Excuse me. > I need a table of comparison between phantom, tor, and i2p. > their differences like routing algorithm, communication protocol, connection > type and more like this. > if anyone can help please do me a favor and show me a table or something to > make me understood their differences. > Thank you guys. There was a hidden wiki at one point, don't know if still there. I2P may be harder for some to understand than tor and phantom. For phantom just review these, and ask list if any questions... http://www.magnusbrading.com/phantom/phantom-design-paper.pdf http://www.magnusbrading.com/phantom/phantom-implementation-paper.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYM_zog5Su4 Let the mailing list know if you port the code to your platform.

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a view of Japan from rebellious author - What Japanese Media Doesn’t Want You to Say!
by Zenaan Harkness 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

This started reading like an MSM style "Japan suffering US imperialist military subjugation" op-ed. Refrishingly, did not turn out that way... trigger warning: if you are Japanese, or a Japanese apologist, you may well find this embarrassing to the point of confront. What Japanese Media Doesn’t Want You to Say! 22.06.2016 Author: Andre Vltchek http://journal-neo.org/2016/06/22/what-japanese-media-doesnt-want-you-to-sa… My intention is - we must confront how various people actually are (at least as far as we can determine the general nature of a people based on historical facts). Whether this op-ed delivers on that is a purely personal matter of course. Half way through, can't stop reading... enjoy.

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Tor is anti-censorship software
by Spencer 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

Hi, > > Александр: > I tried to subscribe to the Tor list > (you know, this "anti-censorship" software list :D). > Got a message that i am banned. censored. > Like you, Juan, Zen, and a few others. > Banning people under the guise of 'Topic' is not going to shift the focus away from Tor's lack of assurances. Juan's comments, in particular, have been most valuable in pointing out the network's shortcomings in this area. These great people provide much of the value of this particular list; at least we still have grarpamp and Lara (: Wordlife, Spencer

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Re: [tor-talk] Reminder to stay on-topic
by Zenaan Harkness 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:37:08PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote: > I've been fairly surprised that the response has been almost entirely > positive. The 45-post thread on cypherpunks where Zenaan Harkness called me > a "fake man" (classy) notwithstanding. Taking out of context an "expressed suspicion" as a fact of name calling, won't do you any favours. > And is Zenaan banned? No. Is grarpamp or most of the other people who > posted in support of Jacob Appelbaum banned? No. And is Jacob Appelbaum > himself on the ban list? No. So please let us dispense with the idea that > the handful of people banned from this list are being persecuted for their > beliefs. > > There are thousands of people on this mailing list who receive *every* > message -- this is not a forum where off-topic posts can be deleted before > being seen. And quite frankly, three weeks of unbridled posting seems like > plenty to me. "We gave you enough rope to hang yourself, and those who went slightly overboard by my personal definition (at least until next week or whenever I change the rules again) are now banned, without even a single individual warning/ request to keep on topic, being given to said individuals. Classy. List administration at its best there Boyce. Not. "Arbitrary justice", which you might like to inform yourself regarding, is where "the rules" are not known in advance, and no concession is made to those who break the rules, WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW THOSE RULES. Your choice to allow "three weeks of unbridled posting" created in many of our minds, a rule which we all thought we were following - ja.talk kept reposting media crap, we had a right to respond (or so we thought). Your executive choice to ban certain individuals who "broke" your rule (because they went three weeks and ONE EXTRA DAY (let's say)), when you NEVER STATED to us your rule about "three weeks is OK, but three weeks + one day and THEN you will be banned with no right to recourse nor even any right to request me personally to change my mind" is EXTREMELY arbitrary. You have told us by your actions as well as your words (besides a few other things about yourself) that you WILL exercise arbitrary power over real humans attempting to communicate their truth, their soul, their pain, their attempts to find resultion on at least one of the normally -most- challenging and difficult conversations we Westerners have to confront, rape. Aren't you a bloody hero now?!! Three claps for Boyce, dispensing justice and facilitating community. Clap, clap, clap. > Tor is a software project, not a telenovela. Please keep posts > on-topic in the future. "And those who broke my rule in the past, are now kill filed by me, and even if you genuinely want to join and participate and abide by my rules, well who gives a flying f*** about you, this is MY list, and I AM the administrator, and I SET THE RULES!" Three cheers for Boyce, bringing real empathy and humanity to the Tor project, making the world a better place, cleaning up unsavoury posters. "Boyce, doing the Right Thing (cause he said so)." > There are endless opportunities to express an opinion > online, and everyone is free to seek them out. Of course. As I too have said. And we are now clear on your choice to exercise your predatorial right to arbitrary exercise of power. Fascism in action. How very American (hat tip to Juan)... Zenaan

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message from tor brownshirt griffin boyce
by juan 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

Begin forwarded message: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:46:05 -0400 From: Griffin Boyce <griffin(a)cryptolab.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: tor-talk subscription update -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To whom it may concern, You have been removed from the tor-talk mailing list for persistent off-topic posts and I encourage you to spend your time elsewhere. Do not re-subscribe to the list. best of luck, Griffin - -- “We have to create; it is the only thing louder than destruction.” ~ Andrea Gibson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXaup/AAoJEAPPSgqzx5pjRBAH/jtlRw70yVDL9d62mgHPA3uo fiab3QDDjw04tKMbEGqwGEEHpOKn3nP6bynxGiwUi2Xsp7f3HHi1UD7c79n9cFsp RHqRNpYvLP81eABIpcany0Z2mmI9uVZs0ccirVMcq3YK10ADtG7zYujl6KBgCDWl M6FGWnmLEFa8vw24ia+6lEukARJ2nXTIFMrDisfbQ7bkJFSHaGGsenuy66yde2zS uECH1C/98f5RtZDv7NJJtTebbAPZMSnBQVYU3//ossTG7OFI60EPYAPH3xPdpS3/ zuocWagHiL1KYvqkoxCm3qWv7k9c7CvUhEJXgy4dhGQEljDdu3UsVsV8PPheDcM= =lKWK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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