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the right to fail in pursuit of utopia
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Right! You CIA guys and gals, listen up! We, have a right to pursue our utopian communities. In almost all cases we will fail, and history bares this out - read John Taylor Gatto for some references and historical analysis, or check everybody's favourite, Wikipedia for the litany of failure. Yet despite the almost certainty of failing to achieve our rickety forest tracks as the yuppies invade, or whatever other variation of humble utopian dream folks dream, it remains our right to try! In the vigorous pursuit of TPTB to corral and shoe horn all those with a bit of enthusiasm into strict compliance with the system and its so called "laws", to brainwash and control every last soul supposedly "under its jurisdiction" with no thought that we should be "under its care", you end up bullying folks, descending into tyranny, attempting to control at all costs. This must change. There is another way, and it involves extending a little trust to "the sheeple" those subjects so despised. "The system's" "freedom to use the system's money, be taxed and travel with papers issued by the system and otherwise operate within the bounds of the existing system" is not enough freedom. The sense and desire for freedom may be a universal, yet the experience of freedom is deeply personal. Without respecting the personal, the individual, freedom is rarely experienced despite democratic hails and MSM proclamations to the contrary; instead the limits of the system, the tyranny of the system against its own and the endless hypocrisy of the elite are experienced and witnessed, and this is what dominates the consciousness of the masses. Truth be told, many self-called anarchists crave stability, balking at the shocking excesses of the oligarchs causing grave instability, death and destruction the world over! And you say to us "don't you worry your little heads, the big boys have it all under control". And you think such patronising condescension will have us put trust in you? Raise the bar of possibility.

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grarpamp
by OldTroll 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

u doxn juan or what! Hurry it up.

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Let's Talk About Juan... ;-)
by Cypher Piggie 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Because Juan is obviously *very**important* [from his perspective], and that which is important really needs to be talked about. So let's talk about Juan... ;)

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[WAR] America - the indispensable, exceptional nation
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

** America: The Indispensable Nation (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Peter Lee on Mon, Sep 5, 2016 Hillary Clinton affirmed “American exceptionalism” in a speech to the American Legion in Cincinnati on August 31.If there’s one core belief that has guided and inspired me every step of the way, it is this. The United States is an exceptional nation…And part of what makes America an exceptional nation, is that we are also an indispensable nation.In fact, we are the indispensable nation. People all over the world look to us and follow our lead. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) The Kurds should be grateful, since America, the indispensable, exceptional nation, at least gave them some attention for a few months. Ingratefuls! : ** Feeling Betrayed by the US Syrian Kurds Vow to Fight to Death to Stop the Turkish Invasion (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Patrick Cockburn on Mon, Sep 5, 2016 The Syrian Kurdish leadership vows to defend their de facto state in north east Syriato the end, but is fearful of a growing understanding between the Syrian and Turkish governments in opposition to Kurdish separatism at a time when US support for the Kurds is faltering.In an exclusive interview with The Independent, a senior Syrian Kurdish official says that the Kurds will fight to the death to stop Turkey “invading the region” and speaks of possible reconciliation between Damascus and Ankara on the Kurdish question. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) Come on Russia, get with the program already - America is, the, exceptional, nation! : ** US-Russian Deal on Syria Fails Through (Again) Over Continued Support for Jihadis (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Moon of Alabama on Mon, Sep 5, 2016 Since the February ceasefire in Syria, which was broken by U.S. supported Jihadis, Russia tried to press the U.S. into fulfilling the UN Security Council resolution 2254. The resolution signs off on the ceasefire but demands that all nations continue to fight the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…) America, being just, I dunno, so exceptional, we should except nothing else: ** When Putin Bailed Out Obama on Syria (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413…) ------------------------------------------------------------ by Ray McGovern on Mon, Sep 5, 2016 Three years ago, when a reluctant President Barack Obama was about to launch an attack on Syria, supposedly in retaliation for President Bashar al-Assad crossing a “red line” against using chemical weapons, Obama smelled a rat – or rather he sensed a mousetrap.Advised by some of his intelligence advisers that the evidence blaming the Syrian government for the lethal sarin attack was weak, Obama disappointed many of Washington’s neocons and liberal war hawks, including those in his own administration, by deferring action. He tossed the issue to Congress, thus guaranteeing a delay. Read more » (http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c…)

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Re: [Private] Hi, dear! :)
by Cypher Piggie 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

> I noticed that you don't like Juan Juan is a TROLL and a US Citizen. > Zenaan is boring as fuck craphammering the list just as much as dumbass juan > Razer is the shit, a true og from back in them days. > you > are > disturbing the whole cypherpunks list just because of them? THEY are disturbin list first and way too much with their dumb selfs. JUAN IS A TROLL FROM THE USA. BORN IN THE USA [that chump zen can sing that] > no humiliations juan humiliates ppl in public on list for fun. fuck juan and his mean lil mal cogido prick with his troll playbook > it isn't correct to disturb the whole cpunks list tell that to the FUCK TROLL JUAN and his masters > try to create good > threads, with good arguments tell that to them except zeeeeenan cuz he'll explode your mail with crying text phonebook size > discussions. juan dont discuss anything his brain is pea sized juan has NOTHING to add but insult and hate and rage he's a FUCKING TROLL and an unfunny PRICK that's his job. > Please, let's make together a better list, not destroy this one. I they destroyed it. > Kisses, hugs and take care! Good night, sweet dreams and tender oink what is this, masturbation...

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[WAR] If Hillary Becomes USA President, Will We Have a Nuclear War?
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Somewhat hyperbolic, so, is the message valid? If Hillary Becomes President, Will We Have a Nuclear War? http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-vs-hillary-if-hillary-gets-into-the-oval… (Alt: http://russia-insider.com/en/if-hillary-gets-oval-office-will-we-have-nucle… )

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[POLITICS] Angela Merkel’s CDU party suffers crushing defeat
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

The tide is changing ... oligarchs taking notice. Angela Merkel’s CDU party suffers crushing defeat in state elections to anti-EU AfD party http://theduran.com/angela-merkels-cdu-party-suffers-crushing-defeat-state-…

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Barrett Brown to get early release... Date November 29
by Razer 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Good behavior? Must have him heavily medicated... I'll bet the release deal (it's like parole) seriously crimps his ability to access the intertubz. August 20: https://twitter.com/FreeBarrett_/status/767043452273954816

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[RU_NEWS] Kurds + US mid east plays - US-Saudi Plan to Prompt Iranian Pullback from Syria
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

The US-Saudi Plan to Prompt an Iranian Pullback from Syria July 25, 2016 - Andrew Korybko, Katehon http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/the-us-saudi-plan-to-prompt-iranian.html A rather long analysis of the big mid east plays that could unfold - Iran, Saudi Arabia, USA and parts of the new silk road belt (Iran, Pakistan and India).

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new list ?
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Sep '16

08 Sep '16

Folks who want their cypher unsullied have plenty of many and varied lists, but should have their full pure cyphered punk (whatever that means to them) without the "stress" of non cypher which appears evidently stressful. As was said last year, my personal intent is to respect the intenet of the founders of this forum/list. Lists are neither complicated, difficult nor with singificant overhead, to run. And it appears evident there is a smallish but loud number of emotionally pained individuals who want to not be adulterated by calls to action, discussion of politics, defense of fundamental and essential principles to any community we can imagine, or anything outside their personal expectations for what the cypherpunks list "should be". Far be it for us to cause any undue stress to the poor darlings. ----------------- So, once again, there is a fair whack of offlist, and in the past on list, support for an similar but alternative email mailing list. Of course there has also been both on and offlist calls to not split the list. The possible 'new list' would be "just like cypherpunks, only a little less elitist about what can be discussed", including and especially tech, cypher, politico, anarcho, actiono, liberto and any other old o, topics :) In fact, this alternative list is not elitist at all - if you wanna talk it, bloody well talk it, the list shall forever be uncesored, just expect no mercy on the "constructive" or "vehement" feedback side :) If "you can't HANDLE the response!" then stick to cyphussy-whipped. One could even consider this new list an "anarchist" list. The only (should be self evident) proviso is that your speech be lawful in the jurisdiction of the listserv operator, for (what ought be self evidently) obvious reasons. ----------------- And now, the final call! :: Are there any loud "no, please don't split the list" calls which can make a convincing argument as to why a few cotton wool footed, excessively schooled, overly emotional Westerners with delicate communication sensibilities and inadequate personal technical ability, ought not have their little CIA dominated pow wow room under the current name, and a new anarchist list under a slightly distinguished and eminently distinguishable alternative name? As a little reminder, alternative alternative lists, providing abundent opportunity for free form but self moderated or actually censored crypto techno discussion are, for example: nettime metzdowd securityfocus many universities djb lists eff tor-talk, tor-project etc many newsgroups and a whole internet more, just a search away Finally, before those tenderfoots jump in with "yes please", perhaps read this again: http://cryptome.org/2013/09/cpunks-crypto.htm including its many choice quotes including: - "the political has won out over the technical". - this one reminds of the total overthrow and take over of Tor Inc that's just gone down in front of us all, along with the public, professional and very personal destruction of Jacob Applebaum: "What has been shown in the discussion is that the technical wizards are not nearly as competent at the messy political" - "petty squabblling and exchange of slurs has replaced rational discourse. Thus the convo has become politicized with as much stupidity and ignorance as sharp thinking and mutual respect" Do bring your best, and best regards to all, Zenaan

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