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Re: Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is DEAD!!!
by Cecilia Tanaka 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

Sorry, Boyce, but probably there are people on CP list who do _not_ know you and your writting patterns. My intention was just avoiding misunderstandings. - c. On Nov 9, 2016 5:18 PM, "Griffin Boyce" <Griffin(a)cryptolab.net> wrote: > If someone's stupid enough to believe I'd post that, then that's their > problem, not mine. > > -Griffin > > Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >Boyce, > > > >I know you don't like me, but someone is using your name, pretending to > >be > >you on CypherPunks list. > > > >Sorry for being late, but this message was tagged as spam and just read > >it > >now. > > > >Take care. > > > >- c. > >On Nov 9, 2016 2:32 PM, "Griffin Boyce" <datajanitor(a)sigaint.org> > >wrote: > > > >> > Shawn K. Quinn: > >> > above the law > >> > >> They all above the law, you cuck. > >> > >> > Inciting riots > >> > >> Reddit. > >> > >> > I didn't really want to vote for Hillary, but it was the best > >choice > >> > >> Why be such intellectual coward? You could've writtens in anybody > >you > >> wanted. > >> > >> Don't come crying to here with your lies, you dishonest piece of > >shit. > >> > >> > turning Texas blue, > >> > >> Bangin' Crip, seems. > >> > >> > we > >> > >> I think you mean 'xe'. > >> > >> > "Grab 'Em By The Pussy" > >> > >> You must no be rich or famous. > >> > >> > What other conclusion were we supposed to draw? > >> > >> If you are in Texas, draw Muhammad. > >> > >> -- > >> @abditum > >> > >> > > > > ~Griffin >

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Re: Universal Basic Income
by juan 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 16:26:34 -0800 Jacob Core <jacob.core(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> While I largely agree with this list regarding government, I do > >> agree about UBI. > > > > So you agree with libertarian/anarchist anti-government > > views, but you still want yet another government scam? That doesn't > > seem to make much sense... > Yes, it is contrarian. But what else would you propose to move us to? Individual self-government and an economic system in which people can work *as little* as they want. > As it stands at the moment, you need currency to get basic goods, > such as bread. In the future what will we do to get basic items? The system based on work and money exchanges (which is nothing but...barter) is bad, but the other option(s) are worse I think. > I > think that we should all be taking care of each other, without any > federal government involved; Well, if voluntary socialism works, and you like it, go for it. > I do doubt however that the US will > ever, at least in my lifetime (I'm 25), be able to move away from the > idea of capitalism (in the sense of buying and selling basic things, > such as bread, water, and internet access) If you don't pay for something, somebody else has to pay for it, unless we are talking about truly free things. Food isn't usually on the list. Telecom hardware isn't either... Even if you somehow took money out of the equation, things still have to be produced and that takes work. > Care to explain how simplistic jobs are irrelevant? I mean, right now there are peole working at mcdonalds, but if mcdonalds was gone, they'd be working at a different place. Even in the current rigged non-free market there's some degree of 'automatic reallocation of resources' so to speak. > > > > Of course it you start with government premises you'll > > arrive at government conclusions... > I won't disagree, but the government probably has the best access to > employment information at this point. It would be amazing if everyone > published, or at least made independently available, their employment > figures. Yes, but I wasn't referring only to the data. What I mean is, people losing their mcdoanlds jobs is obviously a problem for the now ex-employees but it's also a problem for the government and the establishment. Unemployed people don't pay taxes and might get funny ideas in their heads. > I'm not arguing that that UBI is the best method, but rather > that, given our current government, it is the best method we have > available to make things more equal. I don't object to a radical 'redistribution' of wealth, taking it away from the corporate mafia and gov't employees. But it's even more important to get rid of the privileges that allow people to get rich and powerful in the first place. > It is also entirely likely that > this bottle of bourbon, since it is election day, may have had a part > to play in the past couple of e-mails. =P > > Apologies about the thunderbird/gmail formatting.... > > [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burger_King > > [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_in_the_Box >

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[WAR] Duterte - subtle indicators of latent hostility
by Zenaan Harkness 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

A brief summary of the death throes of the empire. The Loosening Grip: A Beginner’s Guide to Death Throes http://fredoneverything.org/the-loosening-grip-a-beginners-guide-to-death-t… " Duterte has told Obama to “go to hell” as being “the son of a whore,” which may be taken to indicate latent hostility. He is vigorously seeking rapprochement with China. While Washington may have him murdered, it seems to be losing control of the Little Vassals of ASEAN. "

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Some predictions for the spam after the murican's elections
by Georgi Guninski 09 Nov '16

09 Nov '16

Some predictions for the spam after the murican's elections Case 1: The mad collapsing bitch wins Zenaan spam trolls: She raped a herd of rhinoceros. pravda.ru warned you before the elections! Case 2: The mad clown wins Zenaan spam trolls: Hugs and kisses, Доналдь. Eternal friendship between NSA and KGB! Вечная дружба!

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some more alt history - Tsar Nicholas II
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

To my never-taught-history western schooled brain cell (which fires but occasionally, which even that some doubt) the following is simply interesting. Trigger warning, the interview is with a historian who has strong Orthodox Christian beliefs and comes across as proselytizing at times, but the depth of anecdotes may be considered worthwhile, even for existentialists among us - bloody motley lot we all are :D PS, on pasting in the title and byline, I note that the interview is not an interview, but is a series of written 'answers' to reader questions, by one Father Andrew Phillips, so I should be worried if he were not staunch in his Christianity :) :) It's quite a long read... Everything You Know About The Last Russian Tsar Is a Massive Lie. Here’s The Truth "These members of the upper classes (and not all were traitors) were sponsored from the beginning by the West. The West considered that once its values of parliamentary democracy, republicanism or constitutional monarchy were introduced into Russia, it would become just another bourgeois Western country." Father Andrew Phillips (Orthodox England) Father Andrew Phillips, is a long-serving priest in the ROCOR Orthodox church in Essex, UK. http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/the-glimmer-of-light-on-the-road-a… In this January 2013 article, he answers readers’ questions about the last Russian Tsar, Nicholas II, debunking decades of deliberate, slanderous lies coming from the media, academia, and governments of the UK, Germany, and America, but mostly from the UK.

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Re: Universal Basic Income
by juan 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 12:52:20 -0800 Jacob Core <jacob.core(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 07-Nov-16 09:42 PM, juan wrote: > > On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 00:34:40 -0500 > > grarpamp <grarpamp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> In a country with universal basic income, each individual gets a > >> regular check from the government. > > Wow! That's as stupid and evil as the stuff about russian > > 'orthodox' kkkristianity and imperialism. > > > > A check from the government. And where do the > > government's funds come from? > > > > > While I largely agree with this list regarding government, I do agree > about UBI. So you agree with libertarian/anarchist anti-government views, but you still want yet another government scam? That doesn't seem to make much sense... > I think its naive to think that those whom own farms and > the like will just give the fruits of their labour away. It's naive to assume that any worker is going to give away the fruits of his labor unless threatened by government. That's why government uses lethal force to collect taxes, so they can fund a 'universal' 'basic' 'income', among other scams. > What is the > common person to do, once McDonalds and Burger King have been fully > automated? I don't know and it's pretty much irrelevant. Actually, in a free market there would be no such stupid corporatist jokes like mcdonalds. >according to bls.gov (I never heard of them before, > but .gov so whatever), they employ 520k jobs. How else would you > propose to employ these people, who (including my unemployed ass at > this point) are largely underemployed? Of course it you start with government premises you'll arrive at government conclusions...

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WL: Podesta Emails MBOX Archive
by grarpamp 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/podesta-emails/podesta-emails.mbox-2016-11-… nom nom nom

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Universal Basic Income
by grarpamp 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/04/elon-musk-robots-will-take-your-jobs-governm… https://medium.com/emergent-culture/an-exciting-new-idea-in-basic-income-b1… Computing the math on this now... needs more GPU. "There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation," says Musk to CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen." In a country with universal basic income, each individual gets a regular check from the government. Switzerland considered instituting a universal basic income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2578) a month this summer. Voters ultimately rejected the plan, but it sparked a broad, global conversation. Also this summer, President Obama addressed the idea of a universal basic income in an interview with the Director of MIT's Media Lab, Joi Ito, and Scott Dadich, editor in chief of WIRED: "Whether a universal income is the right model — is it gonna be accepted by a broad base of people? — that's a debate that we'll be having over the next 10 or 20 years."

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Cryptome Key Compromises
by grarpamp 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

Cryptome appears to announce PGP and Bitcoin keying troubles... https://cryptome.org/ https://twitter.com/Cryptomeorg 5 November 2016: Do not use the two following public keys, they have been forged padded and uploaded. John Young 15-0915 <jya(a)pipeline.com> 0xD87D436C Cryptome 15-0915 <cryptome(a)earthlink.net> 0x8CD47BD5 New Cryptome-16-1105 <cryptome(a)earthlink.net> public key 0x28679DAA generated and uploaded to servers. Donate $100 for the Cryptome Archive of 102,100 files from June 1996 to 26 June 2016 on 1 USB (44.3GB). 3 October 2016 Bitcoin: 1P11b3Xkgagzex3fYusVcJ3ZTVsNwwnrBZ [Do not use this Bitcoin account, it has been hacked and drained.] Bitcoin pages and archive needs brought current... https://cryptome.org/cryptome-archive.htm https://cryptome.org/donations.htm

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Sovereign Citizen Movement
by grarpamp 08 Nov '16

08 Nov '16

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> wrote: > The Saker's summary of some history, to assist in comprehending some of > the propaganda of the two dominant powers in the world today. Well instead of spambotting and asskissing one of those two equally boring and reasonably well known sides every day... why don't you share with us any proven approaches (backed by actual documented wins [1]) of the SC movement you mentioned some curating / familiar with, as it may exist around the world today. They seem pretty punk, right? [1] You know, in real court / news docs, not just the SC's talking shit on their own twitwebs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement

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