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Re: [Cryptography] payments, Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies
by grarpamp 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 2:03 PM, John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: > Right, and then ask him if he uses that private coin to buy a > dishwasher and it doesn't work, should he be able to get his money > back. He was party to negotiating terms of sale, acceptance of same and the goods. Both parties get exactly what they agreed to. Should people be able to buy 65" TV and chargeback return them after that stupid game known as the SuperBowl? Nice try. > Or (obCrypto) "should the messages on your phone be safe from > government snooping?" vs. "should terrorists and drug dealers be > allowed to hide behind cryptography?" Yes, obviously this must happen, because you know damn well strong crypto with backdoors in it that smells like swiss cheese is nothing but snakeoil to which your bank account, contracts, personal emails, and more will all fall. And strong crypto is needed for so many fine things. Crypto is just a shovel, it doesn't have to answer twisted questions like this. Plow snow or whack someone with it. Nice try though. > And for payments, what they do is to use plastic. > [Swedish don't use cash] As before, you and the Swedes all got scammed, worse yet, you agreed to it, probably while watching the SuperBowl drunk on beer, how stupid was that... lol, suckers. Adopt cryptocurrency and scam them back.

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[MINISTRY] - when facts don't succeed, HuffPost it? real life humour
by Zenaan Harkness 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

So those libery-lefty night-terror seeds, aka facts, are such pesky, pesky things, so when facts get in the way, throw some ad-homs and "slight"ing facts (HAH! that pun'll make sense in the context - "short man" accusations, a true fact I guess :) So, HuffPo takes down Andrew Anglin - you know you love it :D Yes kiddo, you know this is not going to end well for HuffPo - not quite up there with CNN making the JQ public swank again, but dang funny nonetheless. Now for the newbies - "punks" of mind and heart - there are some things that "true punks" are not allowed to talk about, and are absolutely not allowed to laugh at, such as Nazis, Hitler and Andrew Anglin, 'cause, like, "procreate with huwaite nationalists" already! Trigger Warning: to all snowflakes: do NOT go there, that's a nartsee ---------------- web soit and them thar trolls'll flog yer brain silly dey will! Seriously, we should just let the ADL and the SPLC ⟨aka, dem Zio like folkes⟩ decide which websites to allow on the internet, and which websites are Nazi havens to be wiped from the face of the earth now. Huffington Post on Andrew Anglin: “Did We Mention He’s Short???” https://dailystormer.red/huffington-post-on-andrew-anglin-did-we-mention-he…

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Re: [Cryptography] Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies
by grarpamp 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:45 PM, John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: > In article <CAH9pdwftbj2Rwk8ih=3TGs0uj_ssU-oi_DsU-E1kaEpP2yLLTA(a)mail.gmail.com> you write: >>The real question is if people (as in the average joe, not just from the >>crypto community) would trade the anonymity of bitcoin and other coins for >>one that's less private but more scam and theft-proof. Avg Joes really don't like people and corps and governments all up in their business. Don't believe this, ask them over beers. If you give them two otherwise identical coins, tell them one's private and the other isn't with an honest five minute explanation, they'll pick the private one. It's up to you to make, give, and explain. Bitcoin is nowhere near private or anonymous. Genuine cryptographic privacy needed for that, such as found in the Zerocash (Zcash) family of coins, as well as other technology and tools. Even then some attention to proper usage is needed. Explain to Joe USA that banks and governments are actually silently scamming and thieving him to the tune of around 3% a year via simple inflation, plus much more on top of that via other means... he'll probably be quite happy to attend your cryptocurrency handling and storage class. People aren't completely dense, they do ask and want to know how, especially if they find you trustworthy. You have to earn that. > If you compare the number of transactions done with cash these days to > the number done with plastic, the answer should be pretty obvious. Plastic is a scam, designed to track, control and tax your ass under a guise of being beneficial, all while being easy to swallow, which you did. Cryptocurrency is the new plastic, without the scam. > This article in today's NY Times looks at NY doormen and other > employees who have traditionally gotten a lot of income from cash > tips, but nobody has cash any more: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/style/seasonal-tips-cash-free-payments.h… There's a "war on cash" against humanity conducted by governments banks and corps don't ya know. Search that string. Cryptocurrency is the new cash. Get them setup on their phone, tip well, tell them it'll be worth something if they manage / use it well together within their peer / community groups. That will get their attention and spark something there much more than yet another boring $10 bill would. That's your job.

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BREAKING: NOT ONE BUT TWO !!?!?!! TWO HANDS !!!!!!! IMPEACH ZORNEL BLIMPFFF NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Steven 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

This is the end for gonald grumph. TWO HANDS TWO SIPS TWO SCOOPS TWO SEXES TWO TERMS TOO SMUG > Racist > Bigot > Sexist > Religion of Cuck™ophobe > Homophobe > Nativist > "Nazi" Frog > Literally Hitler > Has two hands and drinks water ←– You are here Lel.

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Re: Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would)
by Steve Kinney 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

On 12/19/2017 07:27 PM, g2s wrote: > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Steve Kinney <admin(a)pilobilus.net> > Date: 12/19/17 1:57 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > Subject: Re: Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would) > Thanks for that. Now when people on "social media" sites accuse me of > being intelligent, I can present a counter-example to prove myself > innocent of the charge. > > Moar from Mr. Stevenson: > > https://medium.com/ill-ixi-lli/against-quantum-mysticism-d6f95e3a2618 > > > He DOES ramble on. The DGR people do that. I think it's the vegan diet > with concurrent protein deficiency, but he does make a few salient > points in that ramble, including the nature of Work. I define work as > tasks that cannot be accomplished if smiling at any point during the task. Looks a little bit OCD now that you mention it. But who am I to talk?

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Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would)
by g2s 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

"Only a species that had gone entirely insane, and consciously intended to wipe out life on Earth would ever consider such a process. But any species that could actively celebrate and expand it — must be understood as both emphatically suicidal and openly omnicidal." Deep Green Resistance News Service Bitcoin = Death Processors December 18, 2017 by Darin Stevenson / Medium bitcoin Is Makeworky Unmoney bitcoin is not exactly money. It’s a potentially valuable abstraction of computational ‘work’ that ‘earns’ bitcoin value. But what is bitcoin value and what is the nature of the work? The answers are bizarre because they are nonsensical. bitcoin value is an abstraction of participation in the history of the network and its transactions. ‘Work’ is a (largely) nonuseful recomputation of, first, the transaction history of the network — which has to be reprocessed each time there is a bitcoin transaction. Then, continual banging away at some useless math with added ‘weight factor’ that makes it arbitrarily difficult for computers to accomplish the generation of a new record-set over time. The bitcoin algorithms adjust this factor in order to require enough ersatz work so that the heartbeat of the system pulses (produces a block) approximately every ten minutes… and they scale the computational complexity accordingly via input from bitcoin’s own daily developmental activity. By crossing an invented computational abyss, millions of computers and other machines, many of which have been secretly compromised by hacks, are working full tilt, around the clock… to simply generate a deeper abyss requiring ever-more powerful and numerous computers to cross. And this generates ‘blocks’ in an economy of numbers in machines. These numbers are not exactly money, and their actual value is more complex than cash. And the machines must be serviced, cooled, attended and backed-up, as must the results of their nearly useless hyperactivity. Most participants are using machines specially designed to resolve these invented computational targets, and as we make faster computers to do this, the network amplifies the difficulty to throttle the pulse. What is all this about? Well, it’s not a simple question. Let’s start with money. What Is Money? To understand money, one must begin to understand its sources. Perhaps the most fundamental of such introductions is the direct and fascinated observation of animals in nature. The origins of money (and memory) are in nature; exploring them has profound implications for own developing creativity and intelligence. Beavers, squirrels and other small creatures, including the incredibly inventive corvids, store food (and sometimes treasures) in hiding places we call caches. Some predators may also cache food briefly (meat tends to go bad or get eaten by other creatures who can sense its presence). So, too, ants, wasps, bees and other social insects. This is actually a mode of living memory. Notice the homonomy here? Cache and cash are the same sound, and this isn’t accidental. Direct relation with nature as and through living places is the original source of our concepts of value. Our relationships with environmentally accessible resources and caching are not merely the beginning of our monetary systems, they are the probable origin point of the peculiar forms of memory and cognition that are the hallmark of our species. We carefully cache and value our dead. And money is an abstraction of dead people, places, and moments. Our kind of mind was born in forests and places fraught with elaborate relational constellations of biodiversity and symbiotic intelligence. Alas, the nominal treasure we acquired there went haywire, and now we have nearly wiped those places off the map and erased them from our experience. What was their replacement? Money (and machines). A representation of cached value, extensible to nearly any common domain of exchange. There are no living places anymore. We do not encounter or create value… we get cash. Most of the time… that means that someone, or some ecology somewhere, is being wiped out. The results are representational forms of wealth and power. We don’t have ancient forests any more, and the futures they portended are gone. What there are, are sheets of paper, ingots of gold, diamonds, and little banks of numbers… in machines. On balance sheets. *** Numeric Supremacy Numbers. We keep track of them. Too often they become lethal fictions with which ‘we’ (ostensibly: our societies and their systems) determine who lives and who dies. Who is wealthy and who bereft. Everyone is identified by and for the sake of numbers. We imagine these numbers to be true, just, inviolable. But we do not really understand the valuations or applications we celebrate and avow as real; there are always many aspects of value with crucial bearing on any analysis that we leave out of our accounting. Living beings, for example. Minds. Many of our bizarre celebrations of monetary value or obedience to statistical analyses are simply flawed. It’s hard to get reasonable statistics for any real-world situation. Sometimes we are using stats that are cripplingly outdated or merely wrong. Assays attempting to discover the (astronomical) number of birds killed by electricity transmission only counted those found near wires. What’s the actual number, or a very close guess? We don’t know, because statistics are not entirely reliable beyond their well-behaved purposive contexts. Statistics, it turns out, are very often both manipulable and conveniently monodimensional. So, too, the cash that stands sovereign behind them. Such ‘numbers’ and our mishandling of them partly determine or suggest to us what to believe or think about ourselves, each other… the nature of the real. They portend what resources are protected, abstracted from nature, transported or obliterated, for what purposes, and whose ‘profit’. We seem to have a serious vulnerability as regards representations. Our peculiar fantasies about the meaning of progress or success have cast life on Earth into direct competition with their outcomes—living beings and places now compete for terrain, safety and survival directly against not only objects, habits and machines… but mere data. And they lose. So do we. A photograph can become so popular that hundreds or even thousands of creatures must die simply to sustain and transmit it millions or billions of times. As unthinkable as this is, it is a fact: people die because numbers in machines merit more resources, attention, care, and nurturance than living beings. Our electronic activity and transactions have absolutely lethal real world costs that no one is paying attention to. And as we continue to invest human attention and work in an increasingly unreal electronic representation of reality, those prices become staggering. They were unsurvivable 20 years ago. Today, they are simply an ever-expanding array of new forms of environmental, social and psychological rape. For profit. And they can hide in our cultures and lives in ways that are as deadly as they are invisible. *** When Costs Go Explosive — And Invisible One of the statistics that is modestly important here is the present population of our species and its growth over say, the last 100 years or so. These figures project their significance on everything we do, and dramatically magnify the repercussions of our common choices simply by increasing the power and frequency of the activities that produce them. An automobile trip to the grocery store has an environmental impact that rises precipitously as populations repeating it double or quadruple. And this is what has been happening with our population for quite a while now. Perhaps it is nearly as significant that the number of objects per person… particularly machines… has skyrocketed in developed nations. In other words: there are at least two population problems. Ours, and that represented by our machines. Most are happy to complain about the humans. Nearly no one is complaining about the machines. I find this suspicious. Here are some ‘interesting numbers’: the statistics of human population growth. It took us at least 2 million years to reach our first billion. It took us approximately 123 to reach the next. A mere 33 took us to our third. The population gradient for ambient human bodies on Earth. Prior to around 1800, the most serious human threats to the living planet were deforestation for the sake of construction, war or fuel and maybe wildfires. Secondary to those was mass hunting—particularly the vast atrocities that wiped out entire populations of animals for sport, base ignorance, commerce, or purposes related to human habitation of terrain. But between the 2nd and 3rd tiers of the human population explosion, new and profusely invasive competitors for resources, attention and terrain were multiplying madly—at rates no one really bothered to examine. During this period, two specific human activity-threats skyrocketed into cultural and ecological dominance, and their impact continues to inscribe a deadly and indelible mark on both human history and terrestrial ecology. I speak here of the machine and the product-for-profit. Machines are objects against which human beings and living places must directly compete—and we are losing this competition. Inert objects merit more care, attention, valuation, developmental interest, terrain rights, fuel and ‘freedom to reproduce’ than their human originators or the ecologies that are the sources of life and planetary homeostasis. Every living being and place has been subjected to their intrusion, emissions and domination—especially in war. Further, the invention and development of mechanical technology has had profound and unexpected impacts on human development. Over the past 150 years, Homo Sapiens Sapiens has effectively redirected or even replaced our evolutionary developmental progress in a number of unexpected ways by inhibition, substitution, self-poisoning and, most significantly, by wiping out the ecologies which were the original sources of our evolutionary ascent; standing nearby as both agency of accomplishment and cause we find ‘the machine’. I would argue that our broad-scale fascination with machines has derailed the development of the intellectual and relational assets necessary to direct our own cultures, let alone the technologies in question, with any degree of insight or wisdom. We have become materialists, and in so doing, we have sounded the death knell of the nurseries of life and intelligence on Earth. Our extended cultures and collectives are not properly equipped to direct the forces that value, pursue and accomplish technological and industrial development. Our ordinary activities produce results so incredibly ill-considered that were we to pause even briefly in contemplation of them we would prohibit them absolutely. We do not thus pause. Money and the need for it fuel the conversion of the living planet to representations such as cash or goods. And so, too, our human potentials and minds. It’s murder for money. Numbers in machines that represent value. Representations like money arise when what is being represented is no longer available to common experience or expression. As the forests of oral memory were wiped out, we acquired writing. As the experience of the profound value of living beings and places disappeared from common experience, we got a new kind of greenery: cash. And as cash begins to disappear, we will achieve the ‘third wave’ of re-representation: digital money. Stuff that is not even an object. Nothing more than numbers in machines. In the case of bitcoin, we are talking about machines that compete against living places and human lives for energy, space, resources, and … attention. *** Hashing For Cash: Machines Get busy So, let’s get down to business. What is bitcoin, really? You can think of it as a machine contagion—a network of devices amped to their performance tolerances—machines that do nothing but reprocess every transaction that ever occurred on their network (thus achieving ‘consensus’) while, at the same time, ‘mining’ new blocks of coins (currently worth about 25 btc) by solving a purposefully cumbersome mathematical formula which doesn’t actually accomplish anything other than enforcing computational difficulty. That is: making millions of machines grind away madly at nothing. This mining process is both the reprocessing of transactions (to join the network), and a ‘weight’ factor that is incremented to insure that the average time for the entire network to ‘solve’ a block (that is, to produce an accurate guess close enough to a mathematically supplied target) is ‘about 10 minutes’. When you initiate a new machine into the network, you download the current transaction record (a 6-gigabyte file) of the entire history of bitcoin and reprocess it (this takes around 24 hours). You then either ‘mine’ alone (an almost useless endeavor which would take ~98 years to solve a block) or you join a pool of machines. By joining a pool, you get statistically better performance in terms of satoshi (currently: USD $0.0000046543 each) earned as you are ‘rewarded’ for work done by your machine’s participation in the pool. The more processing power (raw computational force over time) you can bring to bear on ‘the problem’ … the better a chance you have to earn incremental additions to your ‘wallet’ or account. Of course, most of the problem is invented… to be this kind of problem—one that requires more and more computational activity to qualify as complete. And we have now invented specialized machines and chips just to solve this problem. Machines involved in mining are pressed to the limits of their power consumption and performance profiles; they are ‘pinned’ at 100%+ of their computing power, ceaselessly, and thus generate heat (as well as consuming copious quantities of electrical power). Because they remain hot, they have to be electronically ventilated. This process of power-heating something we must in turn power-cool, for the phony ‘sake’ of mathematical processes intended to make more work each time they are implemented is deranged. We’re essentially turning computers into heaters that we have to cool to recompute previous computations with. On purpose. A single day of the environmental costs of this process are so catastrophic that if we ever did the accounting — if anyone did — we would immediately understand that this entire idea is a mode of ‘fracking the whole environment’ whose costs rise explosively with every moment we continue the process. These traditionalists worry that a larger block size will raise the minimum amount of computing power required to fully participate in the Bitcoin network’s peer-to-peer process for clearing transactions. To fully participate in this process, a computer needs to receive a copy of every transaction that has ever been made on the network, which can add up to gigabytes of data every month. If the block limit is raised, then running a Bitcoin node will become even more resource-intensive, potentially pricing out smaller players. Only a species that had gone entirely insane, and consciously intended to wipe out life on Earth would ever consider such a process. But any species that could actively celebrate and expand it — must be understood as both emphatically suicidal and openly omnicidal. In short: they intend to kill everything, anything, and themselves — and are hell-bent on the continuous and unlimited expansion of this agenda. The activity of the bitcoin process and some similar networks are not only burning down the future; they are also obliterating the history of humanity and life on Earth, faster and more aggressively every moment, by destroying the living results and opportunities established by this history, and insuring that the benefits that might otherwise blossom into astonishing ‘interest on investment’, are killed off by the necessity of breeding, operating, heating and cooling millions of machines that do makework for a resource that only exists as numbers in machines. No one with anything resembling a mind would ever allow, let alone celebrate this, and the fact that our modern cultures are doing both is a symptom more serious than our obsessions with war, ecological atrocity, rape-for-profit, and the generation of other lethal processes such as the automobile, the atomic bomb, nuclear reactors and prisons. bitcoin is an invisible, self-expanding prison/war that, like fracking ‘hides the damage’ in every place and life on Earth. It is a way of violently undermining the very bases of life on Earth, and the fact that no one is doing the accounting is a sign that the social and environmental intelligences of our species have become actively self-compromising. Imagine if your immune system started producing new forms of HIV instead of macrophages and antibodies… and you begin to get the picture. Thankfully, there is a limit to the process, but it’s taking a while to get there. The limit is 21 million bitcoins, at least in the present implementation. What does this mean? Well, it means that, according to some sources, 80% of mineable bitcoins will have been acquired within about a year. It also means that the miner margin will shrink, making the process less attractive. It’s not clear what will take place, or if the tail end of this process can be completely accomplished. It’s also not impossible that the present implementation will begin to transform, or reiterate itself once all bitcoins have been mined. bitcoin forks into two processes 08.01.17. Money is cached torture, murder, atrocity, and domination. It represents possible transactions in future time by obliterating living beings and opportunities in present time. The only ‘value’ of the computation thus accomplished is that it leverages statistical complexity against computational power in order to mathematically throttle block (and thus bitcoin) production. So, we are inventing increasing quantities of work for increasing quantities of computers to do and the easier it becomes, the more we throttle it to make it harder… faster. Purportedly, all of this bother results in profit, at least in theory. I say in theory because the putative returns require investments… of time, space, electricity, temperature, attention… and… computation. What one invests in one way is lost twice, both in the investment and in what more profitable or noble work might have been done with the same effort or resources. There are a wide variety of other problems here, from the fact that malware that infects vast numbers of machines has been found mining bitcoin (resource diversion), to the embarrassing ‘sudden disappearance’ of thousands (or occasionally millions) of dollars worth of bitcoins in thefts from ‘exchanges’ or technical bungles (wallet loss). Why are we purchasing banks of highly specialized computers and heating them up with computational burdens that tax their performance spec and then paying to cool them back down—in order to accomplish nothing useful? The answer is that we have invented a ‘false problem’ that tens of thousands of machines now work to achieve the result for relatively uninterrupted, and these machines are themselves resources which require resources to build, run, track, back up, and otherwise maintain. How much varies widely by installation, but as you can see in the image that begins this essay, many people are building banks of machines that do nothing but process bitcoin blocks. Nothing else. Just that. And these have to be housed, stored, powered, repaired, attended, backed-up, protected, and cooled. Bitcoin Energy Usage Analysis. bitcoin is an essentially mechano-vampiric paradigm where massive amounts of actually usless computation are done with increasing ferocity while producing nothing of any value whatsoever except a kind of pure abstraction of computing having been done, and the glorious ‘record of transactions’ which becomes a veritable church of common computational record—and remains just as meaningless in that guise. Those who are involved in this racket have chosen to dedicate cash, space, power and other resources to the process. But what is the process? It is to process a meaningless series of processes, ever-more ineffectively, on purpose. That’s the wrong thing to dedicate resources to, and it produces direct mechanical competition against our own minds, cultures, needs and development. The idea of a homegrown electronic cryptocurrency is not entirely misguided. Personally, I think it would be powerful to develop something that produces value based on merit of actual work, discovery or contribution… accomplished by individuals or collectives. This is something I hope we may see relatively soon. But what bitcoin is and is doing is stridently malformed. What exactly is profit? A crucial part of the answer is that it is the abstracted remains of obliterated lives, pricelessly irreplaceable ecosystems and precious relationships we never noticed or acknowledged, let alone understood. It is the remains of what might have been revolutionary intelligence, discovery, mutual uplift, evolution, wonder and actual human progress. It is the bodies and remains of animals, human beings and families, dreams of access to new developmental and creative opportunities, and living worlds of possibility that were burnt down and turned into little sheets of paper. *** In all too many cases, the ‘next big thing’ is actually the next endlessly self-amplifying graveyard. It is well-known that a ‘materially successful’ male or female represents an attractive mating partner for a variety of reasons, both profound and superficial in nature. In effect, the ‘standing cache’ of a given person or group is a signal about how effective various aspects of their skills and/or intelligence are in the specific domains that these representations are derived from. The problem is this: the message is mixed, because their cache is social power… but its sources and functions often begin with atrocities,, some of which reach far back into the history of our people and the land. “The Kwakiutl called their money objects yaklelwas, which means “bad things,” a word that has the same root as ‘dead bodies” and “intestines.” When they had their potlatch money-destruction ceremonies they said they were “wiping off the shame” from their body, like one wipes off shit, by giving money away or destroying it.(11)” Bitcoin Block Reward Halving Countdown (many interesting up-to-the-moment statistics about the current state of the process). Note : There are now a large number of cryptocurrencies, each with unique features, benefits and costs of operation. While some of these may utilize similar processes that require vast amounts of computational activity to generate, others do not. I am presently doing some research to understand more about the other systems, some of which are mentioned in the comments. Photos: Life inside of China’s massive and remote bitcoin mines Editor’s note: This article originally appeared on Medium. Republished with permission of the author. https://dgrnewsservice.org/resistance/strategy/bitcoin-death-processors/

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World Peace isn't insurmountable
by Ryan Carboni 20 Dec '17

20 Dec '17

What if the world isn't dysfunctional? What if it is so by design? What if all nonfeasance and misfeasance is really malfeasance? Isn't the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship a matter of active consent vs passive consent? If five hundred random people were stuffed into Congress and made the laws, would they run the country in the same way? Well, I suppose there are true heroes, like Litt who said that DES couldn't be cracked, and Clapper, who said a "truth" to Wyden who really should have known better. Anything exceptional that I pointed out is a product of pure deduction, a quality few possess, that the school systems intentionally attempt to deprive their students of. To perhaps parody Cloudflare's complaint about ARX-512 making ChaCha20 nearly as fast as AES-NI, clearly Linux's /dev/random/ is not fully understood and should be avoided. For the entropy estimate only counts the entropy of individual events, but not the total combinatorial complexity. Since operating systems have no real time guarantee, and all entropy is a product of unobserved events, the order in which events occur certainly adds entropy. Given that combinatorial complexity is not factored in entropy estimates, the entropy estimate should be considered flawed. In fact, this combinatorial complexity significantly impacts one's ability to manipulate the output of the generator without knowing the full state, and it might be dangerous for /dev/random/ to treat any source of entropy as 8 bits per byte. Perhaps only those capable of communicating in pure deduction can only be trusted by others capable of communicating in the same fashion. Of course the ability to deduce has long been regarded as the prerequisite to investigate or understand anything, and is the foundation of all logic and reason. In the end though, I must repeat someone else's observation, that Google could flip a switch, and 7% of all internet traffic will use a new protocol they devised. I would prefer, in the following order, MitM-vulnerable cryptography, backdoored forward secret ciphers, and then key length restrictions. Not... an impossible to design product, with the source code given to any government (Kaspersky gives their code to the US, IBM gives their source code to Russia)... Hmm. You can make any software licensed under the GPL if you demand it I suppose (yet it doesn't stop bundling anything with proprietary code). So much happening right in front of your eyes, I doubt if you object to any of it, you can possibly stop it. P.S. To expound upon my previous statement that what one says only has to be facially true, the argument barely has to justify itself, even using weak evidence the audience may very well accept what you say as truth. This makes anything you learn about debating to be a cruel waste of time.

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Bitcoin and Islam Halal, Jewish Kosher, etc
by grarpamp 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/1tjgsp/bitcoin_fiat_and_islam/ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=islam+bitcoin Islam and Bitcoin Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHsB9GrJSBXHE6c6_7rFrGg/videos https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rabbi+bitcoin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ3B_nIS438 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bitcoin+and+religion Cryptocurrencies serving unique communities and needs, or not.

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Re: [Cryptography] Bitcoin theft and the future of cryptocurrencies
by grarpamp 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Jameson Lopp <jameson.lopp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > See what happens when you spend too much time in the /r/btc echo chamber? > You start believing their FUD videos about second layer networks creating > banks or Blockstream running Bitcoin. Two different points of view in video form were listed by posters. The reader can now research analyse discuss debate support and decide for themselves which point of view / tech is better / for them. Unless of course they try to do that in the widely documented as being *censored* echo chambers of bitcointalk and /r/bitcoin. Or they can set that aside as outside their scope / capability as users / investors and simply research the FACTS of the current operating market... BTC falling from 100% market cap share to under 48%, now with ridiculously and even prohibitively high fees and confirmation times for many end user use cases for months, and multiple competing coins now being turned up in the payment processors and exchanges for retail use. No longer the defacto leader, are BTC's days as a leading coin now numbered? Which coins are now jointly carrying forward the ethos of "Bitcoin" including any cypheranarchopunk virtues that might be distilled from the message in Satoshi's Genesis Block? Which coins have features, movements, governance in directions that might in fact allow banks, governments, and other adversaries to indeed exert undue / unwanted influence over them? Which coins are actively catering / designing to and partnering with said entities, whether to counter disrupt, or simply to provide [exclusive] cryptocurrency solutions / replacements for printed fiats and other existing systems in the finance space? Which coins are and do not? ... There is more than one coin now, and these and more that could be posed by others are all fundamentally important questions that must be openly asked, answered, and understood by all in the space. Which chambers people choose are up to them, indeed diversification is a fine strategy to avoid being tied up in just one, unless of course that suits their fancy.

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Merry Christmas and all the best in 2018! :)
by Georgi Guninski 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

Merry Christmas and all the best in 2018! :) There is still some time for the cpunks thread "predictions about 2017". -- send gifts for old good times bitcoin:1DV4Y5KGWLJeYB9jYqDLKbjbwQ48ewWr3G

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