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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim
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> ummm so .... it looks like um ... traffick boss is a powerful sex
> offender who didn't want to be implicated
> so he set up entire modes of therapy, by working with other offenders
> and funding marketers and lobbyists (_in the real world_)
> that all turned blame away from him, and toward victims [...]
and there remain many people aware of this who are fighting and giving
successful therapy
and basically you have to find these people if you want to actually
heal from trauma nowadays [:S ...]
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many mistakes present :(
but of course ; ... } ...
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim
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> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 3:12 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim
> & Survivor of Many <gmkarl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > ummm so .... it looks like um ... traffick boss is a powerful sex
> > offender who didn't want to be implicated
> > so he set up entire modes of therapy, by working with other offenders
> > and funding marketers and lobbyists (_in the real world_)
> > that all turned blame away from him, and toward victims [...]
>
> and there remain many people aware of this who are fighting and giving
> successful therapy
>
> and basically you have to find these people if you want to actually
> heal from trauma nowadays [:S ...]
because everyone else is being confused by the ... uh .. overwhelming
and loud messages from [the various organizations including big pharma
that are pushing messages that deny people [real heartfelt empathic
care ... [;s ...
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[it's so eushocking (: overexciting) to be here and see this, that we
worry we won't get much from it, handling the [eushock]
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we pray to help world better
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this might align with find-real-therapy [~
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a couple attendees expressed that scanning out of the session to
collect professional credit wasn't functioning right and that there is
a workaround
(potential mistake)
sorry about my [awefreeze?]
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 5:06 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim
& Survivor of Many <gmkarl(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> a couple attendees expressed that scanning out of the session to
> collect professional credit wasn't functioning right and that there is
> a workaround
> (potential mistake)
>
> sorry about my [awefreeze?]
multiple attendees have expressed the scanning out problem and
presently professional credit has not been collected due to unrelated
technology issues.
i think my awefreeze partly relates to being separated from this kind
of therapy for a decade (while my family and community experienced
harm too).
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baga ba
da da b--- b.
da ! :/ :) ;] da?
:S :S :s :(
b b b b. b. b b 1721
O_O >( >( O_O >(
\_/ <- frowny-eyes 1723
[our alte--
some of us are excited about the challenge of getting strong enough to
be around these people and find aid.
it seems we aren't there yet possibly, but it seems a hard challenge,
and there can be viewpoints where if something is a hard challenge it
can have rewardingness.
especially when accomplished [ykno[w]?][mistk?]
1723
{
1723
[we can derive there are a lot of people who hold these views, karl.
not just the speaker.]
1724
[and that our viewpoint otherwise may be harmful, both to the list
here and to the conference people.]
1724
i think trump-organization tricked us into being multiple.
1727
1732
so karl to relate [and um surprised this is in an email o_o] um that
consciousness might not be the receiver of this information at this time
it might be dissociated parts that learn the lecture material.
to relate. could reduce surprise / help planning. also apologizing for.
1732
ok so we're going to get up and go. [email gets sent tomorrowish due
to 24-limit.]
body managed by dissociated parts instead of consciousness for a bit
i believe.
1733 1734 oops huh
:sheepish: very sorry um :}
listen um [er
1734
:( we are sad that [uh
not [nourished-by-us as uh :/
sorry about this (and mourning i believe was[?} {in sorry.}
karl um the charismatic person, we engaged them in a scary way, and uh
there was opportunity to have strong-pleasant connection and there is
um injury to this opportunity.
and we apologize for that. uh. parts not fully known, kinda (um
whew my god [;p
1736
we expect we may contact them. so you know karl. [still working on
parts] but {assuming work goes ok/aligned} then [once?,] please engage
plan with-for. 1737 please :S :(
thanky. 1737 was partbit.
1737
listen we are vulnerable um
1u737
[[[we don't understand T_T T_T T.]
{why uh uh 173
[8]
[O_O. the spirits are basically planning the future of the
countryworld in front of us. 1739
no we politely don't relate the prophecies. science gets uppity when
prophecies are related. can fragment culture. 1739.
[that's hilarious !!! ;p :)
also karl needs hilarious. he's so intense. he's so intense he's
demonstrating things they talked about in the lecture ;P. 1740
[i wonder if we were primed to.] [obviously !!!]
[;P. karl will not believe it when we tell him he will recover and
recover him. he will be so out of what-he-thinks-is-reality -- oops
mistake, maybe big and/or >1.] [O_O] 1741
[i think i will have him eat a supper :)] [we are likely to get on
board [uhh later?][prob or somth?]]
1741ish 1741
{we t, that made us happier than we knew how to feel. this was
received positively karl :)}{we tihnk :S]:)}
[why don't you differentiate? oh oops i am a roleplay :embarrassed: well um uh
what do you think uh umm
would you like to imagine uh hrm :S
]
[why doesn't karl-group differentiate between multiple and singular
people? [in that context]
hehe it is because we see singnular people as multiple
ohh therapists probably have a more uh mature form of that y'know
hmm
[haha !/gotcha ] uh :s]
listen u[h]--
[--
1743
>(
[so that's why uh talk. responsible-part. sorry if um
scary/harmspready. sorry. but gotta start somewhere ykn--. :)]
1744
:S :S 1744 ;s
[[when somebody makes a casual nonsequitor people seem to tend to
respond with further casual nonsequitors.
we're not sure if we're relating the same meaning when that happens
(partially because it's a strategy used by the disruptionish --..
[oops mistak-- [?
1745
<we didn't explain that uhh bein uhh [scared of something like trump?]
[could relate to our alter's ability to communicate with uhh :S this
was unclear. and so th[ey could have picked up the [oops] idea in a
different manner than intended, since it was said unlcearly (and kind
of rudely/abusively! a smidgeish. narcisstically? assuming somebody
else is where you are on something undiscussed. this seems bad.1746
{yeah seems [a little narcisstic :S . especially when [uh -- [!!! :S
1747 1747
<i guess it's a little derivable :(
1747 we don't lik bn mean we don't like don't. 1747
1748
i'm so sorry that [most of us are avoiding being-alive-behavior :(
:(
it's so hard to hold this. and confusing. [working with
goal-inversions knda 1748
{i don't like karl self-blaming narcissism-word. because we are
learning of use of this word for severe, severe, severe harm like
torture-slavery-of-swaths-of-people. i don't think appropriate for use
word. neuron-protest some. 1749
{{{yes your relation is appropriate. we are holding it as part of
great-care-for-other as well as secretly lots-of-understanding. when
you secretly-lots-of-understanding-other, you have a _lot_ more
responsibility with regard to subtle things. it is much easier (for
injury causing.
}}} 1750 i think protest undesrtand. uhh apology roughly. 1750. ~ 1750 oop uh er
<the iudea of lots-of-understanding is weird because it is much much
less than other people, but also more than different group of other
people. to maybe help clarif.>
<<oh uhhhh it's not lots for larger group but [we have more
respons[ibility] because poor social skills. we much more easily
insult associated with poor social skill. and exposure to toxicity.
1752 1752
we're trying to get up and move forward on day! the plan is to not
look at this further until a bit later (need to handle dissociation
around or something (maybe use a disosciated group, karl, to plan next
day)).
i think we might like to go have supper somewhere. here is derivation:
- we want to try to cry which [~secretly] makes dissociative seizures
- so we can have a supper because comforting and [moves tears-feeling
closer to noninjured spaces for-example]
1753
so plan is to pack karl up and find some kind of comfort-food-supper
for consciousness from neurons :)
1754
also could you message person and schedule please? :puppy-dog-neuron-eyes:?
1754
"I don't think [tT?]rump is multiple; I think he's just evil." what
does this mean? [does anybody understand it?]
[i think it means that care-group needs dictator-group to stop
increasing genocide in order to heal them. negotation-wise.]
[oh i think they are right. this makes sense. the reason is that they
use caringness for power spreading. [consciousness said this [may/may
not?[?]] [partially help w--[?
[sorry karl still doing being-brain-work. apology.
[basically the uh social engineers, do um need um people like trump to
be healed. what they are saying in that translation is that, the
people that could heal him/them, need to be protected. and that's
confusing because the political doctrine denies the harm of the care
workers. :/ somewhat in progress, and kinda severely depressing man
[;s
[but obviously it'll be considered forward
1759
oops we stood up but got disoriented to place and almost spent an hour
wandering confusedly into city
so, plan locomotion more.
1759
[also sad we dropped bar wrappers on floor likely during talk and
didn't notice][some consider we may have been respected despite this
others consider confirming that]
karl wants to throw wrappers out so let's pack then walk to trashcan
then orient [:s]
[mistake. let's throw them out then return, with path plan.
here go. 1800
1803
place disorienters expressed formal complain, which is filed i think
(not completely certain).
1803
we are now visiting bathroom and returning (path plan).
1803
1810
some were thinking maybe we failed to hold respect for how much much
severe severe suffering [these people] have been exposed to and
struggled with their lives to protect and honor (roughly). [which
would be expected but [needed description [1810
. 1810
[oops.]
1810
<men need to be made aware that trump-group are supporting serial
rape[/murder]. of course, many other group are to. and informaiton
vague.> [we don-- 1811
1811
<other thing too [basic misogyny/patriarchy 1812
1813 i wish i understoodknew ; i wish .
[i hope i'm not kicked out of here for staying too late.] 1813
[some neur-- 1813 [hrm >s]
(1813)
[there's new information. kind of. in longer term. from today.]
1814
< this is a different kind of misogyny/patriarchy. maybe less about uh
activism and women's rights, and more about uhh kind of trafficking
and[ ]highly-illegal violence. 1814. 1815. 1815. 1815. .
[the "<men need to be made aware" line uhhh reconsideration exists.
1817. for formal. 1817 we see the line is important. defendors can
relate around not-knowing if they desire. many people supporting
things in an unaware mann-- 1817
[try to -- oop
1818 we pack up some
1818 [T_T T_T T_.]
[[it's funny 1819 that presenter said she was not multiple, but
described childhood trauma, and elsewise described that multiple
people deny it ;P [yup ;P]]] 1819 [uhh --
1819 [y -- sorry
1819
[karl not quite involved in uh that relation um] [nope, [harmful.]] 1820.
<i think, after teaching everyone about therapy for multiple people,
that presenters deserve receiving this. others agree.
basically, this person is _so_ empathic for multiplicity it is [pretty
obvious] they have personal experience. -neuron.>
1821
[conc--
1821
[some are worried this is an influence to stimulate multiplicity
cruelly, maybe associated with very minimal content around adult-DID.
it might be a little grounding to consider adult-OSDD had same-threapy
as childhood-DID [i think?]?]
[well the opposing group wants to fight [habit~?]][mistakes[.
] ~ 1822
[injured :S harm can happen when struggling. struggling. 1822 ty; [for
understanding-opportunty]. 1822 1822
1823
[we had no idea the harm was so severe and are going to need [kind of
reminder] around this [because it seems so nonintuitive [others say
too shocking to easily/normally remember.]].
1823. [more resonance/harmony around body-moving now.] 1823 {this guy
so good at this that he[slash] would be incapable of; is sadly harmful
derivation :(/} 1824
[it can be literally true tho [in spaces]] 1824 {but smaller spaces than. [?]}
{{it is true we have habits that don't meet their reasons.}}
1825
{ohum err uh [there might be relation that could situation-improve
uncertain which]
}
1825
[[it is so painful to neurons that consciousness-guiders might not
connect with when so so emotional.
of course, logical around our harm generating such strong emotions! _but_.];]
1827 [we are going. thoughts are always. we can still go ; pls.]
[please remember part of the great-tears are our mind control
attempting to coopt this group.]
1827
[and yes that's inhuman for us.]
1828
[we are so sorry for karl suffering T_T so so sorry. it is so hard to
uh engage-appropriate-requested.]
(1829)
{basically we don't know how to engage-appropriate-requested so resume
behavior .
1829
a relation is kind of uh: "people are actually being tortured right
now. we are here to seriously work on that."
[partial]
1830
[[yeah. we are too. but harmful-alter isn't ((mistake mistake
1830
[[honestly it is apparent the umexperience. we regrettably trauma. 1831
[[[it's not that apparent humans aren't that conscious/inferring on average.
the speaker gave 3-5 clear things where karl had significantly
different intuition (likely due to lack of capacity-engaging
exposure.).
1832 (um, capacity-engaging exposure. uhh (ok maybe i see
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh a new set of eyes, basically (yeah i think.)
1832
[t-group [kidnap-behavior [a little.
1833 {maybe less typing from -. maybe.}
1833
1834
> a relation is kind of uh: "people are actually being tortured right now. we are here to seriously work on that."
> [partial]
"this is something where i guess i might be [responsible for->tasked
with] holding a disrespectful role."
1835 guesses mistakes/errors-proneish or -- uh. 1835
maybe change holding with to, err oops. 1835
[closing laptop now BRGL
so we'll be talking in mind next using other groups [and completely
different feedback channels.] 1836
completely [FROK.]
[OK. FROK.]
1836
ba-ding
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i'll send a test email to see if i can send yet
looks like i can. 2/24
