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Solidarity and support for Andrew Mickel
by professor rat 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

FREE ANDY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Mickel OR ELSE . . .

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Assassinating cops
by professor rat 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

LULZSEC’s La Chinga Migra stand briefly aligned them with 14 years ( an eternity in net years ) standard revolutionary c-punk praxis. A bit like " Raise the Fist " had done nine years previously. Cryptoanarchist assassins continue to hunt down all fascist-pig-cops, Bill Gates and the current POTUS. Welcome to the global revolution. Voluntaryist, agorist carpetbaggers GO FUCK YOURSELF.

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These Are the $439, 000 Missiles the US Is Using to Shoot Down Mystery UFOs
by Gunnar Larson 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

Gunnar's Big Blimp Company 🎈 These Are the $439,000 Missiles the US Is Using to Shoot Down Mystery UFOs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-13/us-is-shooting-down-unid…

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Cypherpunk 2027 is shaping up nicely - four years at full warp!
by professor rat 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

At least according to this most conventionally successful cypherpunk https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-could-hit-10m-in-9-years-but-more-si… Reposts not calls for selective Butlerians against conventional conformists

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Sam Bankman-Fried, BlockFi and Sullivan & Cromwell: A Viper’s Nest of Conflicts and Intrigue
by Gunnar Larson 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2023/02/sam-bankman-fried-blockfi-and-sulliv… By Pam Martens and Russ Martens: February 13, 2023 ~ Ryne Miller, Former Sullivan & Cromwell Partner; Now General Counsel of FTX.US Ryne Miller, Former Sullivan & Cromwell Partner, Became General Counsel of FTX US On December 21, Big Law firm Sullivan & Cromwell filed a conflict disclosure with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Delaware, where it was hoping to be officially appointed as lead counsel for the bankruptcy estate of Sam Bankman-Fried’s collapsed crypto house of cards – FTX, Alameda Research and its more than 100 opaque affiliates. Judge John Dorsey signed the order making Sullivan & Cromwell lead counsel on January 20, despite a mind-numbing list of conflicts of interests, including extensive past legal work for the FTX group and personal legal work for its now indicted kingpin, Sam Bankman-Fried. The disclosure showed that in addition to FTX and Alameda Research, Sullivan & Cromwell had 10 other current crypto clients, including four major crypto competitors to FTX — BlockFi, Coinbase, Gemini, and Kraken. Damian Williams, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, whose office indicted Bankman-Fried on eight criminal counts for looting billions of dollars from customer accounts, called FTX “one of the biggest financial frauds in American history.” Those four crypto competitors that Sullivan & Cromwell named as also being their clients, haven’t fared too well either. BlockFi is in bankruptcy proceedings in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of New Jersey with over $1 billion exposure in loans and locked up assets at Bankman-Fried’s related companies. Coinbase is a publicly-traded crypto exchange in the U.S.; its shareholders lost 86 percent of their money if they owned the stock throughout last year. Gemini is a crypto exchange created by the Winklevoss twins, Cameron and Tyler. Its customers have been locked out of their interest-bearing “Earn” accounts to the tune of $900 million since November 16 of last year. Kraken is also a crypto exchange; last Thursday the Securities and Exchange Commission charged it with the “illegal unregistered offer and sale of securities involving the staking of crypto assets.” Kraken agreed to pay $30 million in penalties and disgorgement. While this litany of crypto disasters does not paint a pretty picture of what is happening in general with Sullivan & Cromwell’s crypto clients, BlockFi is in a league of its own in terms of a viper’s nest of conflicts inside Sullivan & Cromwell and internecine intrigue. Under Bankruptcy Code Section 327(a), attorneys hired by the bankruptcy estate cannot hold or represent an interest adverse to the estate and must be “disinterested persons.” The December 21 disclosure filed with the FTX bankruptcy court included a declaration from Sullivan & Cromwell partner, Andrew Dietderich, who told the court the following: “Based solely on the conflicts procedures described herein, (i) S&C is not aware of any conflict between its representation of the Debtors and its representations of its Current Clients or Former Clients that would cause S&C not to be a ‘disinterested person,’ (ii) S&C does not represent any person or entity having an interest adverse to the Debtors in connection with these chapter 11 cases….” On the date of that declaration, December 21, Sullivan & Cromwell was well aware that its client, BlockFi, had an extremely adversarial relationship with the FTX group. On the compensation request submitted by Sullivan & Cromwell to the bankruptcy court last Wednesday, for legal work it performed for the FTX group in the last 19 days of November, the name BlockFi appears 57 times. In 6 of those instances, the billable hours were described as involving the “BlockFi adversary proceeding” or “BlockFi adversary action.” For example, on November 30, Sullivan & Cromwell law partner, Brian Glueckstein, billed 3.2 hours for what he described as follows: “Analysis and strategy re: BlockFi claims (.80); call with S&C and Haynes Boone teams re: BlockFi claims issues (.50); follow-up correspondence to S&C team re: same (.20); meetings with A. Dietderich re: BlockFi claims (.40); correspondences to S&C team re: BlockFi adversary proceeding (.40); meeting with A. Dietderich and J. Bromley re: BlockFi strategy issues (.40); meeting with M. Porpora re: BlockFi adversary proceeding (.50).” >From November 12 through November 30 (which is the only compensation request that Sullivan & Cromwell has presented to the FTX bankruptcy court thus far) the law firm billed a total of 50.3 hours of work related just to BlockFi. At its indicated “blended hourly rate” of $1,452.41, that’s more than $73,000 involving an “adversary proceeding” when the law firm had told the court on December 21 that “S&C does not represent any person or entity having an interest adverse to the Debtors.” (Sullivan & Cromwell’s total compensation request came out to more than $7.6 million for the 19-day span.) What is this adversary proceeding all about? BlockFi is claiming ownership of more than half a billion dollars in publicly-traded shares of Robinhood, a trading app, which were 90 percent-owned by Sam Bankman-Fried through an offshore vehicle called Emergent Fidelity Technologies, Ltd. The shares were pledged as collateral for $680 million in loans that Alameda Research owed BlockFi. Judge Dorsey was put on notice of this adversary proceeding on January 5 of this year when Richard Anigian, a law partner at Haynes and Boone, LLP, filed a declaration in Dorsey’s court explaining the situation along with documentation that tallied up to 372 pages. Sullivan & Cromwell has conceded in a court filing that it represented Bankman-Fried in connection with this Robinshare share purchase. Making that transaction even more fraught for Sullivan & Cromwell is the fact that the Department of Justice believes that Sam Bankman-Fried may have been attempting to hide that half billion dollars he held in the publicly-traded common stock of Robinhood by setting up the offshore vehicle, Emergent Fidelity Technologies Ltd. in Antigua, to hold the shares. The registration for Emergent Fidelity Technologies, Ltd. was filed on April 22, 2022 in Antigua. Federal prosecutors for the Southern District of New York wrote in a letter on January 30 of this year that “the original circumstances of the purchase of these shares, through a foreign special purpose vehicle with no public connection to FTX or Alameda, further indicate the steps the defendant has taken to obscure his criminal misuse of FTX customer property.” The documentation on how this transaction went down is a window into what was going on under the nose of Sullivan & Cromwell’s former partner, Ryne Miller, who became General Counsel to FTX US in August of 2021. Although Miller was General Counsel to FTX US, not Alameda Research or Emergent Fidelity Technologies Ltd., he listed himself as the contact person on the Securities and Exchange Commission filing for this Robinhood stock purchase. Presumably, Miller should have inquired into how Bankman-Fried came by this more than half a billion dollars to buy 56 million shares of Robinhood stock. That’s not a pretty picture either. Caroline Ellison, the woman who was reportedly at some point sleeping with Sam Bankman-Fried in his penthouse in the Bahamas, that was shared with other FTX executives, signed two loans from Alameda Research to Sam Bankman-Fried in April and May of 2022. The loans totaled $491.7 million. Ellison signed the promissory notes for these loans as Co-CEO of Alameda Research. Ellison also signed the pledge agreement to BlockFi as Co-CEO of Emergent Fidelity Technologies, Ltd. despite the fact that the Bylaws for Emergent list officer positions of President, Treasurer, Secretary, etc. but no such position as CEO or Co-CEO. Bankman-Fried is listed as the sole Director of Emergent. According to the complaint against Sam Bankman-Fried filed by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), it is highly likely that the loans made to Bankman-Fried from Alameda Research came from looted customer funds. The CFTC writes: “…without disclosure to FTX customers, Alameda and FTX commingled assets and freely used FTX customer assets as if they were their own, including as capital to deploy in their own trading and investment activities. On information and belief, Bankman-Fried, his parents and other FTX and Alameda employees used FTX customer assets for a variety of personal expenditures, including luxury real estate purchases, private jets, documented and undocumented personal loans and personal political donations.” According to testimony provided to the House Financial Services Committee on December 13, $8 billion of customer funds are missing at the FTX group of companies. One of those customers, Warren Winter, filed a written objection with the bankruptcy court to Sullivan & Cromwell serving as lead counsel in the bankruptcy case. Winter wrote: “Sullivan & Cromwell was one of the FTX Group’s ‘primary external law firms’ before the FTX Group collapsed. To date, the FTX Group has paid the firm more than $20.5 million in fees and retainers. Now, in the most flagrant attempt by a fox to guard a henhouse in recent memory, Sullivan & Cromwell has applied to be appointed the FTX Group’s bankruptcy counsel with duties that would include ‘investigating all potential estate causes of action’….” Unfortunately for FTX customers, Judge Dorsey appears inclined to gloss over serious conflicts of interests involving Sullivan & Cromwell like he’s shooing away gnats on a summer’s day. (See 18 States Send a Message to FTX Bankruptcy Judge John Dorsey: We’re Watching You and Numerous Big Law Firms Had Zero Ties to Sam Bankman-Fried; So Why Did John Ray Hire Two Deeply Conflicted Law Firms?)

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Protest: USA 10Million March Against Corrupt Congress July 4 2023
by grarpamp 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

https://i.redd.it/e2d5a7m29oda1.jpg - Term limits - Ban All Lobbying - Ban All Insider Trading - Abolish The Federal Reserve - And more... "You don't have a government of public servants. You have a cesspool of politician grifters who are puppets of the corporate, pharma, defense contractor, and big tech lobbyists and the ultra-rich Club of Rome elites who bribe and own them. Ban all lobbying. Take the power back. -- Ghost of Benjamin Franklin" https://www.conventionofstates.com/ https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/25/text " Who the Fuck is with me? Am I gonna be the only one here July 4? Or will we be 10 million strong, Left and Right? This is the only way it's gonna happen. Who the Fuck is with me? We get fucked by all our politicians, both sides of the aisle. We need to unite with the left on ending corruption. JULY 4 2023 BE THERE. We need term limits, like right now. Only way that happens is if we get 10 million people, Left and Right, to go DC on July 4, 2023 and literally have giant signs that read "We demand term limits and ban all lobbying now. We come in peace. Anyone who who destroys property or trespasses is not us." We need to ban all lobbying now. There's no valid argument for any form of paying politicians money to do things. The only way our bought off Congress will ban lobbying is if we do mass peaceful protests and scream for it. They'll never act unless they feel pressured. We can do it. July 4, 2023. DC. -- PalatableMahogany "

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Cryptocurrency: Privacy Case - BitcoinFog Sterlingov Chainalysis Corruption
by grarpamp 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSQfAL6TN4 Privacy Case - BitcoinFog Sterlingov Chainalysis Corruption

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Cryptocurrency: Utopia-P2P Crypton Messenger CRP Scam [re: GoldBug Messenger]
by grarpamp 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

Extremely suspiciously similar marketing tactics, and lots of other similarities... self-assertion, lies, agreement-shills, random posting, and more. This APT threat has been operating for many years. Beware of the massive exploit, entrapment, and loss risks out there. The Importance of Anonymous Messengers in Today's Digital AgeDue Diligence 🔍 by AkariGemCollector In today's digital age, privacy is a major concern. With the rise of social media and the internet, personal information and data is constantly being collected and shared by various companies and organizations. This has led to an increased need for privacy and the ability to communicate anonymously. https://preview.redd.it/6zq538rhfvha1.jpg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v… Anonymous Messenger Anonymous messenger is one of the solutions to the privacy problems faced in the digital world. This kind of messenger allow individuals to communicate with each other without revealing their identity. They provide a safe and confidential space for individuals to share their thoughts, feelings, and experiences with others. https://preview.redd.it/xwnx7e0kfvha1.jpg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&… Anonymous messengers are especially useful for individuals who are looking to express themselves freely without the fear of being judged or monitored. Uses Cases of Anonymous Messenger These are some example of the uses cases of Anonymous Messenger. Whistleblowing: Anonymous messengers can be used by individuals to report illegal activities, corruption, or unethical practices without fear of retaliation. Political Dissent: In countries where freedom of speech is restricted, anonymous messengers can provide a means for people to express their opinions and engage in political discourse. Mental Health Support: Anonymous messengers can provide a safe and confidential space for individuals to talk about their mental health issues and receive support from others. Dating and Relationships: Anonymous messengers can be used by individuals who are looking to form romantic or intimate relationships without revealing their identity. Support for marginalized communities: Anonymous messengers can provide a safe and supportive space for members of marginalized communities, such as the LGBTQ+ community, to connect with others and discuss relevant issues. Addiction recovery: Anonymous messengers can provide a platform for individuals in recovery from addiction to connect with others, share their experiences, and receive support and encouragement. Grief and Loss: Anonymous messengers can provide a supportive and understanding space for individuals who are grieving the loss of a loved one. Career Advice: Anonymous messengers can provide a platform for individuals to ask for career advice and get feedback from others without revealing their identity. Online activism: Anonymous messengers can provide a platform for individuals to organize and participate in online activism and advocacy efforts. Safe Communication: Anonymous messengers can be used by individuals to communicate with others in situations where their safety may be at risk, such as in abusive relationships or situations of domestic violence. Choosing the Right Anonymous Messenger With the increasing number of anonymous messengers available, it can be difficult to determine which one to use. One such platform is Utopia P2P, an anonymous network and platform that is designed to protect its users' privacy. The development of Utopia began covertly in 2013 and was released officially in November 2019, providing access to secure and surveillance-resistant communication and finance. https://preview.redd.it/j71i2gt8fvha1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&v=… https://preview.redd.it/t8uckdt8fvha1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&v=… Utopia P2P not only offers anonymous messaging (chat/email) but it can also be used for a variety of other purposes, such as secure and encrypted data transfer, anonymous website hosting, and an anonymous payment solution. Utopia P2P has its own blockchain, a strong community in its anonymous ecosystem, and a range of finished products including its own anonymous crypto exchange, anonymous stablecoin (UUSD), mining bot, mobile (Android) and desktop app. https://preview.redd.it/y0290ybdfvha1.png?width=880&format=png&auto=webp&v=… Utopia P2P also plans to release its own anonymous launchpad platform, NFT marketplace, iOS app, Utopia Smart Tokens, and portal for developers. New functionality for users such as blogging, posting and hosting media content, and distributed file storage are on their to-do list as well. With this feature, channel and blog owners will also have new monetization options available to them. These plans will increase the demand for its utility coin (Crypton) and further solidify its position in the anonymous ecosystem. With over 1,800 merchants already accepting Crypton and UUSD as payment options, Utopia P2P is a strong contender for those looking for an all-in-one platform for privacy and anonymity. Useful Links Official Utopia P2P website: https://u.is/ Official Crypton Exchange: https://crp.is/ Download: https://u.is/en/download.html FAQ: https://u.is/en/faq.html How to Mine Crypton (CRP): https://utopia-ecosystem.com/articles/3-1.html Coinmarketcap: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/utopia Twitter: https://twitter.com/UtopiaP2P

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Cryptocurrency: Quit Simping For Government
by grarpamp 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

You are free to do WHATEVER YOU WANT with your money and the state has NO BUSINESS interfering with this fundamental right (self.Bitcoin) by HumbleBitcoinPleb This is one of Bitcoin's main value proposition. Your money is your money and you can do whatever you want with it. Same goes with any other of your private property, for example your TV or your coffee table. If you want to exchange your bottle of water for an apple with someone else, who is anyone to say that you can't? You might be wondering... What if you want to do something illegal with your money? For example: hiring a hitman to kill an innocent person? Then this is how it should be: You hire a hitman. Someone finds out. You get punished (you go to jail or you get killed in revenge by a victim's family member). This is how it should NOT be: You ask the state permission to spend your money. You demonstrate to the state with paperwork that you're not going to use this money for illegal purposes. Then you go ahead and hire the hitman anyway using cash or any other method. See the difference? Let me give you another example: Imagine the state wants to reduce rape cases. In order to do that, they pass a bill stating that going forward every time two persons want to engage in a sexual relationship they need to fill out a government form stating that they both consent to this act. If you have sex without filling out this form, you're commiting a crime. Do you see how ridiculous this is? This is exactly what they do with your money whenever you want to send a wire transfer of $20k to someone else. You need to "ask permission" first. Please stop simping for the governmet to make bitcoin legal tender. The entire point of bitcoin is that we don't need government's permission to use our money. 56 comments share save hide report all 56 comments sorted by: best Want to add to the discussion? Post a comment! [–]HurricaneHarvey7 22 points 7 hours ago I love how some people get mad at me for saving in a currency of my choice. Like, they are extremely offended by it. It's hilarious. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]RonPaulWasR1ght 4 points an hour ago Ever go onto the r/Wallstreetsilver sub? They are like, INSANELY jealous of Bitcoin. They are letting it live in their heads rent effing free. They love to threw terms around like "crypto baggies", they make no distinction between crypto and Bitcoin. Yeah, it's real. People get mad because you want to save in what you want. It just kind of reaffirms that this is the way. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 18 points 8 hours ago You're going to love CDBC. /s Bankers, not elected officials will run the CDBC money. They will soon dictate: * How much you are allowed to be paid * From whom you are allowed to be paid * Where you are allowed to spend * Which kinds of things you are allowed to buy * Whether you're allowed to participate in the economy at all (suppose you said something on-line and they didn't like it, like this post I'm typing, for example) CDBC money will have expiration dates. For example, spend it within 9 weeks or lose it. You'll never be able to save up for anything; they won't let you. Eventually, it will get to the point where if they catch you trying to resist, they'll banish from the economy with the click of a button. I'm talking about real tyranny by actual sociopaths with ultimate power. Do you know what "sociopath" means? You and everybody you know will become the "property" of the most uncaring, cruel, and selfish people. They will violate all of your rights, at will, even your right to life if it suits them. Do you want to be stuck in such a situation? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]x2c3v4b5 6 points 4 hours ago Bitcoin is freedom money. People in Nigeria are already rejecting the use of CBDCs there and they are destroying fiat trashcoin ATMs. Long live Bitcoin, fuck 99.9999% of all crypto-trash projects and fuck fiat proof-of-stake virtual/shitcoin that can be printed to infinite. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]whitslack 0 points an hour ago they are destroying fiat trashcoin ATMs. I suspect they're destroying Bitcoin ATMs as well. Mob mentality is not so discriminating. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]x2c3v4b5 1 point an hour ago I don’t know if they are destroying Bitcoin ATMs because the Nigerians are trying to resist the CBDCs and actually use Bitcoin instead since the CBDCs have several rules and limitations such as how much you can use and when whereas Bitcoin is permissionless and censorship resistant. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]godofleet 9 points 6 hours ago CBDCs are the "guilty until proven innocent" of money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]rtheiss 6 points 7 hours ago So anyway I started blastin’ permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Big_Papa_Bear_ 1 point 6 hours ago CBDC. Central bank digital currency. Not CDBC. Keep spreading the message man! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 1 point 5 hours ago Yes. I was careless. Thank you! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Sofa_king_disco [score hidden] 9 minutes ago I don't see this degree of blatant authoritarianism being possible in democratic systems. The political process has issues, undoubtedly. But we can be certain that elections still fundamentally matter in the western democracies, for one undeniable reason... because billions of dollars are spent every year on political campaigns, to get votes. If elections were meaningless shams, and the people had no real power over the system, then that money would not be being spent. Nobody spends billions of dollars on nothing. Regardless of what motivations or ambitions certain factions might have, they still need the public to vote their people into office. And nobody would vote for the things you're describing. The only way this would be possible is if there was also a coup that had military support. And I don't see any reason to believe that's a plausible/likely scenario in the US, or the other major western democracies. I don't like the prospect of CBDCs, and I do believe there are real threats to personal freedom and privacy that could arise from them. But the kind of extreme and blatant authoritarianism you're describing will not be plausible in democratic societies where elections are still the fundamental process from which political power is derived. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]meatismoydelicious 0 points 6 hours ago Central Digital Bank Currencies 😂 permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Umpire_State_Bldgredditor for 3 months 0 points 5 hours ago Yes. I messed up. Thank you! permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Abundance144 5 points 5 hours ago I think we'd both agree that you don't have the right to commit crimes with your money. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]GUNTHVGK 2 points 3 hours ago Crimes is a pretty arbitrary term permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]Abundance144 3 points 3 hours ago* Regardless, the definition of a right falls outside of what is defined as a crime. Edit: And what is a crime isn't arbitrary at all. Choosing what is a crime is arbitrary but the existence or none-existance of the crime is objectively written into law. The morally or legality of the law creating the crime is a different story all together. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]91Caleb -1 points 5 hours ago Every day a new idiot posting making themselves like dumber than the last permalink embed save report give award reply [–]StanleeMann 0 points 4 hours ago I see a new generation of libertarians are demanding the right to hire hitmen. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Explodicle [score hidden] an hour ago In the 90's they were "demanding the right to libel" with an unmoderated web. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]StanleeMann [score hidden] 49 minutes ago That was more a computer geek thing TBH, most people had barely interacted with the internet in the 90s. Myspace and later Facebook was an 00s thing. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]yazalama [score hidden] 54 minutes ago It's only the dishonest cheerleaders of authoritarianism who purposely make strawmen like this because they purposely don't want to admit they hate freedom. Crawl back into your hole maggot. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]StanleeMann [score hidden] 52 minutes ago lmao @ this nerd permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]IndependentSwan2086 1 point 4 hours ago Yes!!! Love the statement ! And for those who don't, well, there's always North Korea! permalink embed save report give award reply [–]messonpurpose 1 point 3 hours ago If CBDCs are implemented and they will effectively eliminate the cash economy and people will definitely be looking for other avenues for anonymous transacting. Since bitcoin uses a public ledger it will be pretty easy for the powers that be to piece together which wallets belong to whom. So, I don't see how bitcoin could serve this purpose. Am I missing something? permalink embed save report give award reply [–]riisen [score hidden] 53 minutes ago Bitcoin is pseudo anonymous. Meaning anyone can create a wallet, and without you telling anyone that this is my wallet, nobody would know An exchange is very much not anonymous they know exactly who you are, and when you buy from an exchange goverment can know that you bought it, if the exchange gave them the information (which they do) When you send it from an exchange to a private wallet they can guess that this is his private wallet Mixing bitcoins is about generating several wallets and move bitcoin so they dont know if you did give away or bought something cause it was sent to wallet they know nothing about. You can also buy bitcoin from a private person to a wallet you have created and no goverment would know.. Unless you tell them. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]liberty4u2 [score hidden] 5 minutes ago Your missing the part where when they bring out the CBDC they say “Bitcoin is illegal” permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]acj21 -1 points 4 hours ago Except we all use publicly funded services… so there’s that. permalink embed save report give award reply [+]The_whimsical1 -6 points 6 hours ago Your money is made in country x. You use the resources and infrastructure of country x to make that money. You have a police force protecting you. You have a legal system protecting your contracts. You now want to remove your money from country x. No problem. Pay your taxes on exiting. Bitcoin is something else. If it’s about tax evasion it’s got no credible future. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 6 hours ago I don't think you understood my post. My post has nothing to do with taxes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [+]The_whimsical1 -6 points 6 hours ago So what is your point? That governments can’t determine how money is moved from one jurisdiction to another? How does that make sense? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 7 points 5 hours ago My point is that we don't need governments to make bitcoin legal. We don't need their permission. You can freely transact with anyone in the world using bitcoin and that's what makes it valuable. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]norfbayboy 4 points 5 hours ago So what is your position? That governments can determine how money is moved from one jurisdiction to another? How does that make sense? permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]yazalama [score hidden] 50 minutes ago Government doesn't provide services or give people money because everything it redistributes comes from taxpayers. The infrastructure, courts, police all belong to us taxpayers. The only difference is unlike any other service you pay for, there is no opt-out option and they'll throw you in a cage or murder you if you resist. Don't fall for the trap of believing government helped you by buying you crutches with your money after they broke your legs. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -4 points 7 hours ago your actually wrong. If you even try to do/create a BUSINESS and accept crypto as payments the state will tax you on them as well, at least if you want to have a legit and legal BUSINESS. And the state at least in here in europe will tax you heavily if you choose to acept crypto into your business/services, making this not even viable as an option, and this is why everyone still acepts cash on their businesses and services because they dont want to pay a huge chunk of their profits to the State and physical money allows them to avoid this situation. So the state has a rigth to interfere in your business, it also currently can control your businesses acount/credit cards at banks to know how much your making and to check if your doing tax fraud, and this is another reason why small and medium size businesses owners still prefer physical cash or so called FIAT. And have you ever hear about CBDC'S? yes their coming. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 7 hours ago It is irrelevant if the state allows me to use bitcoin or not. It is irrelevant if the state taxes me or not. They have no business telling anyone what they can or cannot do with their money. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]cryptoripto123 1 point 3 hours ago They have no business telling anyone what they can or cannot do with their money. Please explain to the world why the state has no business telling you that you can funnel money, whether fiat or Bitcoin to ISIS. I'm sure you'll end up taking that L all the way to jail. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -3 points 7 hours ago wrong. You for ure arent a business owner and never had any business. The state controls you and your money, specially in this CBDC'S ERA. You can figth that for sure but your wrong dude. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 4 points 7 hours ago I never said the state didn't control money. I said the state has no right to control your money, just like they don't have any right controlling what you do in your bedroom with your girlfriend or wife. Just because they do something doesn't mean it's right. And I've been a business owner since 2009. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee -3 points 6 hours ago so know you realized your in the wrong here. They control you, control your money and your business as well, and this situation will not change and will just get worse over time. Having the rigth or not , is another thing, but Bitcoin wont solve this, as Bitcoin transactions arent private and you can still be tracked and controlled, and they can still know how much Bitcoin you own and tax you on it. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 2 points 6 hours ago No government can stop me from sending 1 BTC to someone in other country. Thanks for trying. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]cryptoripto123 1 point 3 hours ago So please send 1 BTC to ISIS and tell me how that goes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]riisen [score hidden] 24 minutes ago You dont have any right to demand or control where and to whom he sends his coins. I highly doubt he would just send it to isis, but he could do that without bitcoin as well. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee 0 points 6 hours ago i didnt said that. I said they can know how much you own, how much you send, receive. thats not private information. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 1 point 6 hours ago My post is about censorship resistance, not privacy or taxes. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]CypherMcAfee 4 points 6 hours ago mate Bitcoin isnt private. so how are you figthing or resisting censorship with Btc if they can still control by finding how much you own, send, receive???? your post makes no sense at all. permalink embed save parent report give award reply [–]HumbleBitcoinPleb[S] 3 points 6 hours ago Anyone in the world can hire me to make a website for them, pay me in bitcoin, and there's nothing any government can do about it. Just a few weeks ago someone from another country paid me in bitcoin to help them set up a website. We didn't have to ask permission to any government or bank. permalink embed save parent report give award reply continue this thread [–]B4RF 0 points 6 hours ago I remember some state introduced such a form to consent to sex so that no one can file a rape case or something like that. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]heyitscory 0 points 3 hours ago Awesome. 6.3 BTC on the Cheifs to beat the spread. YOLO. permalink embed save report give award reply [–]Typesh055 [score hidden] 56 minutes ago I dont ask anyone permission to send a wire, I go to the bank, fill out a form and it’s sent.

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Cryptocurrency: Fortune Exposes and Disfavors The Warren Pols And Buffet Oligarchs
by grarpamp 13 Feb '23

13 Feb '23

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkfNkgGL9s Disfavor to the Relics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVdTjxkM1TY Favor to the Brave protip: Choose the future.

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