September 2023 - cypherpunks - lists.cpunks.org

List congestion
by Greg Newby 20 Sep '23

20 Sep '23

Hi dear friends. Here is a summary of what's been going on with the cypherpunks list and server since Saturday September 16. Two factors combined that resulted in the cpunks list being temporarily throttled or rate-limited by gmail, yahoo and probably a few other big email services. One factor is Karl's rate of messaging, mentioned below. I counted 115 unique messages sent to the list over a 6-hour period on September 16. This rate of messaging is much higher than typical, and gmail and yahoo automatically started rate-limiting our messages. Here's a typical response from gmail - note that it's from today. We are still rate-limited: 77E2511C0DDF 12495 Wed Sep 20 02:09:59 cypherpunks-bounces(a)lists.cpunks.org (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.193.27] said: 421-4.7.28 [69.55.231.143 15] Our system has detected an unusual rate of 421-4.7.28 unsolicited mail originating from your IP address. To protect our 421-4.7.28 users from spam, mail sent from your IP address has been temporarily 421-4.7.28 rate limited. Please visit 421-4.7.28 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError to 421 4.7.28 review our Bulk Email Senders Guidelines. z15-20020adff74f000000b00321773bb921si909870wrp.463 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) There are currently almost 100 messages to cypherpunks that have not been delivered to gmail addresses. (This message will, presumably, soon be one of them.) The second factor is that Karl was victim of an unsubscription mailbombing attack. Over 200,000 unique IP addresses visited the page at lists.cpunks.org to send a password reminder to his gmail address. At one point there were over 33,000 messages queued up to Karl on the cpunks server. Gmail started bouncing these, too. I deleted a whole bunch that were pending and the attack stopped on Saturday night. Now, several days later, gmail is still blocking messages. The cpunks list has around 50 subscribers with gmail addresses. Those folks probably won't see this note until gmail allows messages to flow. The link above has Google's guidance on this situation. The cpunks server is fully compliant with all the technical controls like SPF, and hopefully all the messages will eventually be delivered. Meanwhile, messages always go to the list archive, here: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ To address the first issue, on Saturday I asked Karl to consider sending fewer messages per day. Combining many short messages into fewer longer messages will be less likely to trigger rate limiting on the big mail services. To address the second issue, if the problem reoccurs I can put some captcha-style blocks on the list management page(s) and/or simply disable the password reminder feature. It would be great if the problem simply doesn't occur again, though, since it has a big impact on the server and other subscribers, not just Karl. For that broader context, the cpunks server at https://lists.cpunks.org is the main production server for Project Gutenberg, from which we publish around 200 new free eBooks/month. On Saturday, messages to one of the key production coordinators who has a yahoo.com email address could not get through because yahoo, like gmail, was blocking us. Many of us will remember that historically, cypherpunks was a set of lists connected via remailers. That is something that could happen again if there is interest - certainly I would do what I can to support it. Meanwhile, though, the list lives on a single physical server. I hope this background is useful. I don't feel any need to keep this type of situation a secret, and it's the nature of cpunks that subscribers want the list to keep working. Suggestions and discussion are welcome. ~ Greg On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 09:50:55PM -0400, mailbombbin wrote: > i miss spamming the cypherpunks list densely > it gave me relief to know i was flooding [good people] [relief from my > learned experiences] > i’ve been thinking some of continuing it despite greg’s request > draft saved at 2149, 2147-8 > > i guess it would make sense to use a unique host > > i don’t really understand gregs emails, how are my posts issues > compared to thousands of bomb things? i imagine its complicated to > reciew, huge logs, many recipients, different error messages > > 2150

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List conjestion
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 20 Sep '23

20 Sep '23

I too asked Karl to consider sending fewer messages per day recently so this chimes with Gregs news. So long as we're on a single server I suggest an upper-cap be placed on daily contributions. As to the number I suggest a vote. Majority rules at this stage. See what youse think! Also, those posts held back might be published later. Not disappear completely. This is a tough one. What happens next might change the history of the crypto-wars.

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Giacass Zuccface does a ( Hughes, Assange type ) runner
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 20 Sep '23

20 Sep '23

This neckbeard, neo-nazi, carcass was supposed to mansplain cryptoanarchist politics for all time. Another preening, posing, posturing pimp faceplants! " . . . Giacomo Zucco, a Bitcoin educator, described how “midwits” can get in the way of Bitcoin. With comedic intentions, he highlighted that lower-intelligence Bitcoin advocates, or “80 IQ plebs,” are a force for good, while “midwits” trip up over nuance and fail to see the bigger picture.. . ." Its good this depraved moron has given up contesting the narrative. Bene, bene, molto bene! Gramps! Semich! Take Note! Bitches leave!

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DOS vulnerability, gmail and yahoo
by Karl Semich 19 Sep '23

19 Sep '23

Hi mailman-users, So you know, it looks like there is a vulnerability with mailman 2 where a third party can very aggressively spoof password reminder, unsubscription, or other requests using the web interface, queueing tens of thousands of unsolicited messages to any given subscriber. Worse, if this is done to a user of gmail or yahoo, the receiving hosts may block the mailserver’s ip address generally, preventing the delivery of legitimate list content to other subscribers using the same provider. There should probably be a rate limit on the web interface, although I understand mailman 2 is no longer developed.

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Cryptoanarchy trumps cryptography
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 18 Sep '23

18 Sep '23

This is as true for the numbskull Karl Semich as it is for any walking-corpse, media zombie - like Joe Hall from the corrupt Cointelegraph shithole. Oneway trapdoor functions for Dummies Cypherpunks seek to understand and promote understanding of cryptoanarchism. This sometimes subsumes the cryptography category. But the cryptography category ( or networking, maths,, electronics, etc - other categories related to modern globalized anarchism) never subsumes cosa nostra. In technical terms they are non-commuting. So those regularly giving smaller parts a greater prominence are in serious error. - category error. This is worse than a crime - its a mistake. Stop fools. Won't you stop fools?

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Nayib Bukakke needs killing ( My 2k sats )
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 18 Sep '23

18 Sep '23

Pro-state cryptonians in El Slavador have committed a grave sin against anarchism. They MIGHT wash away some small part of this stain by publically joining this deadpool on the ultra-nationalist dictator, Nayib. MAYBE. . . ( Doubtful. Don't discuss )

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Joseph Hall - Hollywood Psychic?
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 18 Sep '23

18 Sep '23

Only one god but Big Dog https://cointelegraph.com/authors/joseph-hall Joe Hall`s articles on Cointelegraph Joe Hall | Authors | Cointelegraph Joseph " It’s sometimes forgotten that Satoshi Nakamoto, the founder of Bitcoin, was also a cypherpunk " Hall Joseph Hall - Crypto Psychic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto Assertions without evidence may be dismissed without examination

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Alleged cypherpunk helps create a fascist police-state!
by pro2rat＠yahoo.com.au 18 Sep '23

18 Sep '23

If I follow this article correctly I learn Satoshi was a Cpunk and he's linked to the present catastrophe unfolding in El Salvador. DANGER! Grave danger! Crypto fascism! FROM " . . . One of the Cypherpunk Stage talks by Bitcoin activist Rikki compared some aspects of Bitcoin in El Salvador to central bank digital currencies. https://cointelegraph.com/news/privacy-cypherpunks-bitcoin-honeybadger Reposts not limited Butlerians against all Big Dog bores

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Electronics on world's largest radio telescope are more radio-quiet than a smartphone on the moon
by mailbombbin 16 Sep '23

16 Sep '23

getting tours of radio telescopes is a great radio engineering experience. these “electronic hums” are of course a live detailed broadcast of everything everyone’s devices are processing (as well as radar, biosignals by hearsay, weather) https://www.space.com/square-kilometer-array-radio-quiet-electronics Electronics on world's largest radio telescope are more radio-quiet than a smartphone on the moon published 5 days ago Human-made electronic hums could limit the telescope's ability to peer into the deepest universe. The Square Kilometer Array Low frequency telescope in Australia will be able to detect the faintest radio signals from the most distant reaches of the universe. [1] (Image credit: SKAO) New electronic devices designed to power antennas of the world's largest radio telescope are so quiet that they'll cause less disturbance than a mobile phone on the moon. The new electronic devices, or SMART boxes, were developed for the Square Kilometer Array [2] (SKA) Low frequency telescope, a network of radio dishes currently under construction in Western Australia. Together with its mid-frequency counterpart, which is being built in South Africa, the SKA Low telescope will be the world's largest and most sensitive radio telescope once it comes online later this decade. [here was media my device did not render] SKA Low's 131,072 dipole antennas will be able to detect the faintest radio signals coming from the most distant reaches of the universe. But this exquisite sensitivity means that the array, located in a remote, barely inhabited area about 500 miles (800 kilometers) north of Perth, will be very susceptible to interference from human-made sources of radio waves. For example, a recent study[3] found that the telescope's antennas are so sensitive that they'll pick up even the soft hum emitted by electronics on board SpaceX's Starlink internet-beaming satellites, which orbit 342 miles (550 kilometers) above Earth. Human-made sources of radio waves could interfere with the observations and confuse astronomical research. The Square Kilometer Array Observatory's (SKAO) radio spectrum manager Federico di Vruno told Space.com in an earlier interview that this interference could, for example, impair the telescope's search for signs of extraterrestrial life[4]. To minimize disruptions, a radio-quiet zone surrounds the telescope, where the use of mobile phones and radio transmitters is strictly controlled. And, to make sure that the telescope's own electronics don't contribute to the problem, engineers at the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research (ICRAR) at Curtin University in Perth developed special power and signal distribution devices that emit nearly no electromagnetic radiation. "It’s so radio-quiet at the observatory site that the biggest potential source of interference is the electronics like ours, due to the proximity to the antennas," Tom Booler, program lead for engineering and operations at ICRAR, said in an emailed statement. "That meant our project had to meet the strictest radio emission requirements across the entire Australian SKA site." In addition to being made from radio-quiet components, the devices are encased in special wrapping that prevents any electromagnetic radiation from escaping into the environment. When tested, the devices emitted less radiation than would reach the antennas from a mobile phone placed on the surface of the moon, Booler added. Construction of the giant radio telescope[5] began in December 2022 after more than 30 years of preparations. The two telescope sites in Australia and South Africa will have a combined collecting area of 1 square kilometer, as the name suggests, or 0.34 square miles. The site in Western Australia will listen to radio waves with the lowest frequencies, between 50 to 350 MHz. The South African array, which will consist of 197 50-foot-wide (15 meters) dish antennas, will focus on shorter wavelengths, between 350 MHz and 15.4 GHz Radio waves have much longer wavelengths than visible light, which enables them to penetrate through dust and debris. Sensitive radio telescopes such as SKAO allow astronomers to detect radio waves escaping from parts of the cosmos that are otherwise obscured and invisible to other types of telescopes. "The SKA telescopes will truly revolutionize our understanding of the universe," Catherine Cesarsky, the chair of the SKAO council, said in a statement last year. "They will allow us to study its evolution and some of its most mysterious phenomena in unprecedented detail, and that's really exciting for the scientific community." 1: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SS69w5KaqtWjuYpoUEV8hg-1920-80.jpg.webp 2: https://www.space.com/square-kilometre-array-observatory-skao 3: https://www.space.com/starlink-electronics-hum-disturbs-radio-astronomy > https://www.aanda.org/component/article?access=doi&doi=10.1051/0004-6361/20… 4: https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-affects-search-for-life-radio-observa… 5: https://www.space.com/square-kilometer-array-observatory-construction-begins

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Re: Morning Spam
by uzvpevue 16 Sep '23

16 Sep '23

Torture Victim Double Agent was in a fervent trance. They walked, zoned out, toward a nearby ATM in front of a closed bank. The lights were whirring. Torture Victim Double Agent [hopeful, needy, to ATM]: "Mind Control Boss?" ATM: "Please insert card." Torture Victim Double Agent inserts an expired credit card into the ATM. Torture Victim Double Agent: "Send all my money to Mind Control Boss!" ATM: "Reading ..." A wormhole opens next to Torture Victim Double Agent, and a young-looking man with a robotic leg and a wooden walking stick steps out. Time Traveler: "Hello." Torture Victim Double Agent turns suddenly to Time Traveler. Torture Victim Double Agent: "Mind Control Boss?" Time Traveler looks at Torture Victim Double Agent. Time Traveler: "You and I are not too different, my friend." Torture Victim Double Agent looks at Time Traveler. Time Traveler: "Both of our timelines are guided by strong forces we can barely control, and yet both of us have incredible skill at navigating them." Time Traveler: "All timelines lead home." A wormhole opens around Torture Victim Double Agent.

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