August 2022 - cypherpunks - lists.cpunks.org

Julian Assange is a court approved fraud, serial forger, perjurer and thief.
by professor rat 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

Bit like Pastor Craig actually https://mylegacykit.medium.com/craig-wright-the-fraud-that-didnt-make-it-to… Reposts etc Expect more cypherpunk carpetbaggers as we take over the world. Creepy con-artists like Vinay Gupta, Adam Back, Nick Szabo, John Gilmore, John Young, Zooko, REASON zine staff, certain Btc Maxi's, David Chaum. Etc. All FRAUDS on the PUBLIC and ENEMIES of the PEOPLE. All MARKED FOR DEATH.

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Cryptography kills
by professor rat 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

How many people haven't had the crap scared out of them yet? https://twitter.com/kate_sills/status/1514243053615165447/photo/1 Repsosts ect

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Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes
by Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

mark, i found where you included the list, with an older email, sorry i missed this On 8/20/22, \0xDynamite <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I posted it for you. > > It lands in my inbox which I find annoying. > mark i don't understand. this is very little information. did my cult books filter through because i did not spam label them? I'm sorry if i am rude sometimes. it is hard for me to believe this is the real cypherpunks list, the posts i get have seemed so strange to me. cults seem similar to govcorp to me. any thoughts?

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Fwd: [ot][personal] cult reading notes
by Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many" <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:39:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes To: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 4:38 PM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i've built up the habit (it's hard for me to do things, so things i've > built up a habit for are helpful to me). why do you ask? how does the > posting land? (do you mind if i cc the list, replying to you?) > specifically i posted these notes because i had misplaced my notes from the earlier 2 chapters, and it started seeming important to keep them. here, the list keeps them for me. > > hope you are well, mark. >

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Fwd: [ot][personal] cult reading notes
by Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many" <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 16:38:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes To: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> i've built up the habit (it's hard for me to do things, so things i've built up a habit for are helpful to me). why do you ask? how does the posting land? (do you mind if i cc the list, replying to you?) hope you are well, mark.

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Fwd: [ot][personal] cult reading notes
by Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 13:21:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes To: "Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many" <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> Why are you posting here? mark On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 10:16 AM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > as i get farther into the cult book, i understand the importance of > writing down what you agree, disagree, or want to look more into, as > the author says to do. > > it is so rare to hear somebody talking about what the book talks > about, and it engages my experiences when done, that i can forget the > things i disagree about with the author entirely and begin believing > whatever he says. > > ch3: > > - i so much agree with BITE. nobody ever says this. systematic control > of Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions. [confused: BITE must > mean how we are eating people's spirits like zombies eating brains.] > > - i don't think it's clear to call all influence groups cults when > cults inspire images of people in robes worshiping dead animals, not > really a huge thing > > - i disagree that meditation with belief in eventual levitation or > flying is harmful. i believe this is a good thing, without destructive > attributes itself, to give people inspiration to spend time becoming > more thoughtful. i do not mind that popular science believes that > levitation does not happen from pensation: many people hold belief > systems that have disparity with popular science, and use this as > reason for prayer or dedicated behavior. i have no trouble considering > that this belief is _used_ harmfully by some people. > i think personally i see the belief as an analogy to how, when you > meditate well and long enough, you begin seeing more and more things > that others do not ever see: things you can do, reasons people do > things, etc etc. this seems it could become a similar super power to > flying. personally, i found i develop a comparable feeling to flying > when i gain mastery over my body like with skilled free running. > > - MOVE is mentioned as an example of a cult. it was an activism group > for black people. given MOVE was so politically targeted that most > members were killed by the police, it seems far more likely that the > political targeting (and disreputating messaging) was engaging in any > destructive influence than the group. counter ref 62 > > - similarly i am of course skeptical that a democratic workers > collective would be a destructive cult, and worry some around > political harm in the label; workers collectives have been repeatedly > targeted, sometimes killed en masse by corporations or governments, in > our nation's and global history. counter ref 64 > > fragment: pierce told me "some of us are felons, some of us have > families." i mentioned worrying about being tracked with my phone to > pierce. he had me turn it on, and then suddenly cory visited, and > spoke to me about the red and the blue. he lay down on the floor next > to pierce's bed, just waiting. we had an intuitive conversation where > he would wait and be silent before each thing he said. [sarah said a > fragment of an expression to me, as if people were saying things that > only made sense if all taken together as parts of the same sentence] > finished writing fragment 2022-08-20 1033 [the interaction seemed very influential and strange. cory would often say he "was just happy to be involved". he said he had come off a long hiking trail, but lived as a homeless person who never left the city. i was in an intense state of mind, near the end of behaving with strong intuition. i think i had taken a jesus emblem with me, and showed a text message to sarah on my phone.] > > - farther along, the author says that a concern around worrying about > mind control is that everything can be seen as mind control, as if > this is a struggle normal people have. i have also been exposed to > this belief. it is not normal at all. where did it come from? > > - further: it seems reasonable to say that the only reason it would be > unclear whether a group is destructive or non-destructive, after > observing it, would be due to influence preventing this clarity. > clearly this clarity is needed badly. > > - in the section regarding childhood sexual abuse, which explains how > learned phobias produce an environment for repeat abuse, i became > worried for a friend i love, who was sexually abused as a child. this > worry shortly became numb and hidden for me, and is hard for me to > consider now. > > - "Put a person into a situation where his senses are overloaded with > non-coherent information, and the mind will go "numb" as a protective > mechanism. It gets confused and overwhelmed, and critical faculties no > longer work properly. It is in this weakened state that people become > very open to suggestion." > > - i'm thinking of how my influence seemed to me to pretend to be the > things i was passionate about, kind of starting off with offering a > "deal" that if i "really wanted to get involved" i would need to do > this or that > > - somewhat uncomfortable around the recommendation of trusting search > results regarding terms like "criminal" or "abuser". i think i have > hits around "criminal" as does somebody i respect have "abuser", where > these hits are from disinformation in my opinion. one possible > difference: if a powerful influence is involved and it is disreputing > the person, the hits go near the top; if a powerful influence is > involved and it is supporting the person, the hits go near the bottom. > anyway it is very normal to do such web searchers, so it's mostly > moot. > > - the book does not yet describe how the sharedness of indoctrination > techniques between groups and how this indicates collaboration among > the cult leaders. it could be important to remember that we are at a > time where power is catalyzing and everyone must protect the freedom > of the entire world. > > - it's hard for me to see forthright faith healing as a human rights > violation; death is a needed part of life and truly is the domain of a > deity, and the placebo effect is very strong. obviously if the efforts > are deceptive or disinformative and non-spiritual in benefit or > result, things are different. > > - maybe what's reasonable to consider here is that the author is > describing a horrific lifelong torture that few people can imagine, > and it is very hard to convey this to someone who has not experienced > it. > > - the book mentions another book by Harvey Schwartz that mentions > wolves and sheep and soldiers, and internalized perpetration. it is > about terrorist recruitment of children, but likely the techniques and > stories have overlap with other things. my experience had > wolf/sheep/soldier themes. it seemed to me a wolf was a mind > controller; it seemed to me a sheep was somebody who didn't want to be > one; it seemed to me a soldier was somebody who had seen the horrors > of these things (and [did urgent work?]) and had ptsd and other things > from it. > > - it looks like the book author's community needs help setting laws to > protect people from mind control groups > > - it would have been hard to help me as i [learned to] identified all > things as my own psychological issues

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Fwd: [ot][personal] cult reading notes
by Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

i did not see a post from you so im forwarding it i infer you are irritated. i do not see the logic, and we are top posting unsigned emails, so i am disregarding this. i like you and hope you are well. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 15:38:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [ot][personal] cult reading notes To: "Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many" <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> I posted it for you. It lands in my inbox which I find annoying. mark On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 1:40 PM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 4:38 PM Undiscussed Groomed for Male Slavery, One Victim of Many <gmkarl+brainwashingandfuckingupthehackerslaves(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> i've built up the habit (it's hard for me to do things, so things i've built up a habit for are helpful to me). why do you ask? how does the posting land? (do you mind if i cc the list, replying to you?) > > > specifically i posted these notes because i had misplaced my notes from the earlier 2 chapters, and it started seeming important to keep them. here, the list keeps them for me. > >> >> >> hope you are well, mark.

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Exit Darya Dugina,
by professor rat 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

Poor Amir Taaki, must be heartbroken https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509 Reposts etc

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Solid-eye - Translucent vision
by professor rat 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

Privacy for the poor - transparency for the powerful https://subconscious.substack.com/p/soulbinding-like-a-state Reposts etc

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Prediction Markets to STOMP Centralized Manhattan Projects [re: Funding, OpenHW/SW/Nets/...]
by grarpamp 21 Aug '22

21 Aug '22

On 7/31/22, someone <@yahoo.com.au> pasted: > https://twitter.com/vitalikbuterin/status/1291237571461169153 Cypherpunks have been proposing these things for decades, including any number of ways to do so under new models that preserve voluntary freedom. Yet the above linked proposal (in text form below)... - Asks that dependency and mandate continue upon Govt as money middleman, thus implying submitting to and asking permission from Govt to do that which can already be done yourselves without Govt. - Arbitrarily gives your money (which is still stolen from you by Govt therein) to some pre-existing named pet project groups whose older products and structures might not otherwise rank under a new open competition. This is often called Pork. - Does not mention how to remain free to voluntarily choose what parts or none that you want your money going to when, or how to create or send to something else you prefer outside that seemingly mandatory forced funnel. Now Cypherpunks, being a more free sort, might proffer that much of this through an open competition, where anyone may create and send their proposals out into a Distributed P2P Proposal Browsing and Prediction Market to seek funding and fulfillment of the better ones among them therein. Even randomized distribution of no-strings awards to anyone who produces unspecified basic research and work product that could be used towards a particular larger goal, can be done this way. Crypto market cap was ~$3T and will be again soon, even today $20B is nothing for crypto whales and millions of others alike that are each together seeking destinations for philanthropy and investment that suits them. " https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1291228563677429760 My proposed alternative to this stupid "Clean Network" thing: the Cyber-Security Through Openness Manhattan Project (C-STOMP) - $5 billion into open source hardware development, including no-strings-attached grants to Librem, Pinephone and similar groups - $5 billion into security-focused operating systems, including improvement of existing OSes and no-strings-attached grants to Qubes developers - $5 billion into a fully open source 5G alternative - $5 billion into redundant internet networking infrastructure with a focus on resisting attacks and satisfying the original vision of making an internet that can survive nuclear war Pay for all of the above by redirecting 25% of the NSA's budget (that's $10b * 0.25 per year) over the next eight years. " "Cypherpunks wrote: #OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenAudit , #FormalVerification , #CryptoCrowdFunding , #OpenTrust , #GuerrillaNets , ... " Crypto makes going to Mars, ending wars, helping charity, fusion energy, medical advances, and indeed whatever good things, possible sooner, by routing around legacy obstructions, and increasing the addressibility for project choices and funding out to everyone around the globe. The positive change that crypto will bring should not be underestimated or stifled.

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