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It's an Ill Wind
by Peter Fairbrother 03 Sep '20

03 Sep '20

2- It's an Ill Wind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8 So now we know: first, that the UK government is actually deliberately trying to infect over 40 million UK citizens, and in doing so expecting, on their figures, 400,000 deaths. The reason given for this is to develop "herd immunity", where there are so many people who have had the virus that there is nobody for someone who later contracts it to give it to, as everybody has already had it and is immune. But the Chinese didn't do that. They implemented strong containment and stopped the virus dead. They didn't "lessen the peak", they obliterated the peak. There is no reason why we can't do that too. But the Government insists on buying herd immunity at the cost of at least 400,000 (more likely a million [1]) deaths. Why? The question arises, what good would herd immunity, bought at such a terrible cost in deaths, do? The reason given is that the Government believes that COVID-19 will turn into a seasonal disease, and herd immunity might protect us from it's return next year. There are three big problems with that - First, we don't know that it will return at all. Second, if it does return next year, it will have mutated - and like flu, it is likely that the herd immunity, so dearly bought, will not be effective against next year's version, if it happens. There is also concern about people in China who seem to have gotten the disease twice. We don't know why that is, whether it is two different strains of the virus (there are several hundred known varieties of the COVID-19 virus, it mutates fairly rapidly) or people getting the disease twice - however in either case that would lower the usefulness of any herd immunity. So, I don't see why the UK Government are killing 400,000 people. Apparently it isn't because the UK has a large proportion of older people. Older people who need extensive healthcare, expensive pensions, who tie up a lot of wealth and property - of the predicted 400,000 (million) deaths the vast majority would be of older people. This clearing away of unproductive and expensive (and wealthy) older population would more than balance the budget, releasing £10 billion per year in state pensions, £20 billion per year in heathcare costs, and so on. It would stop the disease in the UK fairly quickly, and it would be the cheapest option (ignoring the actuarial but not-real-pounds cost of the deaths). It would release several hundred thousand badly-needed homes (and cause a property price crash; the UK needs about 1 million homes, which is why UK property is so expensive) and would provide a more balanced population pyramid. So for the UK as a nation it would not be a bad thing (ignoring the deaths), and I fear some politicians may think "Hey, it's just the useless oldies, who cares?". But no. There is probably a sensible reason we don't implement strong confinement and stop the virus in its tracks, rather than letting it have its way. Unfortunately I don't know what that reason is. Peter Fairbrother [1] I calculate around a million deaths, but that is a bit of a back-of-the envelope calculation based on known death rates elsewhere and comparative population age spreads. Exact figures also depend on some assumptions about things we do not know about the disease. I have made what I think are reasonable assumptions. I don't know how reasonable the Goverment's assumptions are, or how they came up with the 400,000 figure.

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Censorship: ShadowGate Documentary Banned by FaceBook and YouTube
by grarpamp 02 Sep '20

02 Sep '20

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f37fcc2df77c4044ee2eb03 ShadowGate Documentary Full Version Just another in the long list of now many many hundreds of well documented cases of censorship of peoples voices and content around the world. Such shutdowns, censorship and narrative steering control, rapidly accelerating in the last five years alone. Regardless of whatever book, film, dataset, voice... Such GovCorp Media and Political censorship is why you need fully encrypted distributed P2P and even guerilla radio and physical transport networks. And why you need to spam random surface dwellers with random links to them. Whether presenting different ideas, say CryptoAnarchism, or your own truths, no one will see them when they're censored or they don't know where to go to freely browse a wide range of things new to them, buy and sell physibles in open markets, etc. There's a reason these ridiculous censorious power and control structures don't want you to see, hear, read, posess, and consume things... you might wake up and rightly revolt against or ignore them, reaching unto a greater state of liberation for all. Your freedom is something they are not willing to grant. Seek it out.

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Re: The Fatal Attraction of Techno Fascism
by Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:22:18 -0500 "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > anyway, article is OK and it describes this list to a tee. > > Punk, do you actually have any code or math? And before you declare > "oh yeah, marcos, the Joo-fascist", just remember: you probably don't > have any credentials compared to the people you're criticizing. yes marcos, you are a joo-fascist theocratic nutcase and completly unable to appreciate how far your involuntary self-parody goes. but to answer in your own idiotic terms, what sort of 'code and math' do the assholes I'm critizing have? What 'code' has The Great Jim Bell, written, exactly? OOPS. Even in your own appeal-to-authority terms you don't have a leg to stand on. "credentials" - stick your credentials up your ass. And thanks for playing >You should respect that, otherwise it looks like you just want attention from people who *have* mastered them. Do you have anything of substance to say, apart from your failed attempt at shooting the messenger? >I told you the solution to this skill-based disparity in our society If you want to solve a problem you have to first undertand the problem. You can't see what the problem is, so there's no way you're going to solve it.

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Fwd: The Fatal Attraction of Techno Fascism
by \0xDynamite 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

Meant this for the list. Stupid google. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: \0xDynamite <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:22 PM Subject: Re: The Fatal Attraction of Techno Fascism To: Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks(a)tfwno.gf> > anyway, article is OK and it describes this list to a tee. Punk, do you actually have any code or math? And before you declare "oh yeah, marcos, the Joo-fascist", just remember: you probably don't have any credentials compared to the people you're criticizing. --Not that you're not a capable person, but seriously, it takes considerable effort to master the tools that allow programmers to make encryption software, for example. You should respect that, otherwise it looks like you just want attention from people who *have* mastered them. I told you the solution to this skill-based disparity in our society (between the l33ts and the luzers): hackerspaces. It's a wiki, and although it was fascist to me personally (I didn't buy into their LBGQT politics), it has usable information. \0xD

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The Fatal Attraction of Techno Fascism
by grarpamp 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/26/the-fatal-attraction-of-techo-fascism/ by Mark Petrakis

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Twitter banning USA president from sharing official government data - [PEACE]
by Zenaan Harkness 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

Stunning. Absolutely stunning stuff. Twitter Bans Donald Trump from Citing CDC Data http://dstormer6em3i4km.onion/twitter-bans-donald-trump-for-citing-cdc-data/ .. After a tweet containing newly released statistics from the Centers of Disease Control about the coronavirus was retweeted by President Donald Trump, Twitter deleted the tweet. [Image/ screen cap not attached.] At this point, it’s certainly not surprising that they are banning the country’s president from sharing official government data, but it is amazing. ...

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Cryptocurrency: War On Cash - Moving Fast Against You
by grarpamp 31 Aug '20

31 Aug '20

https://humanevents.com/2020/08/22/media-deems-cashless-society-a-conspirac… "Don’t let the media shame you into complacence regarding a cashless society. It’s only crazy not to question such a system that clearly some have no qualms about forcing on us all." Clearly one cannot create or enjoy any liberation or freedom when one is surveilled, datamined, blocked, censored, shutdown, turned off, and thought policed into only appoved consumer channels from buying all that which is needed for and part of it. Therefore you need to fight against their "war on cash" with everything you've got. And start hedging by using with your peers and businesses real money again that is not subject to their centralized off switch... gold, silver, cryptocurrency, goods, services, private ledgers. Cashless is freedomless, and that is their plan for you. Wake Up!

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TechRadar: I confess, I'm scared of the next generation of supercomputers
by jim bell 30 Aug '20

30 Aug '20

TechRadar: I confess, I'm scared of the next generation of supercomputers. https://www.techradar.com/news/should-we-fear-the-next-generation-of-superc…

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Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers
by Debian Community News Team 30 Aug '20

30 Aug '20

Does anybody have any facts about Daniel Lange? https://debian.community/daniel-lange-aggression-towards-volunteers/ What is really remarkable is that Debian ignored this evidence and began processing Lange's application to become a Debian Developer in the same week that they were expelling Jacob Appelbaum The arrogance and hypocrisy knows no limits Removed 2020-06-18 https://nm.debian.org/person/error/ Began application 2020-06-24, complete 2020-12-21 https://nm.debian.org/person/dlange/ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Daniel Lange] Do some public considerations for newmaint application, good way to proceed? Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:42:26 -0400 From: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz <tiago(a)debian.org> To: debian-private(a)lists.debian.org Hi all, I've supported a few applications in the newmaint list and I never objected one. With Daniel Lange's declaration of intent I feel for the first time the need to publically do some considerations, but I don't know the best way to proceed. I'd like to make it clear that his behavior in some situations in the past are not welcome in Debian. At the same time I don't want to start a noisy thread in there. I witnessed aggressive and disrespectful behavior from Daniel against a person very close to me, both written and in person, during Debconf15. As he was not a member/whatever of the Debian community I decided to let it go. Besides that, I think he was quite harmful during the storm against the Debconf chairs. But it may be more a personal opinion. I'm aware that he's doing a lot of work for Debconf and I'm not objecting to his application. But I'll just feel bad if I say nothing at this time. Any suggestion on how to act will be appreciate on such situations. Bests, -- tiago

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Hey se7en what happened to empire
by rooty 29 Aug '20

29 Aug '20

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