December 2019 - cypherpunks - lists.cpunks.org

Re: list of people censored on lists.debian.org
by Zenaan Harkness 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 11:21:58PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been looking through debian-private and I found messages from > Alexander Wirt (formorer) about censoring various people from > lists.debian.org. Some of those messages appear to be defamatory. You > are in BCC because your name appears in debian-private. > > I've written a blog to help people work around censorship and other > dishonest practices, please tell me if this is helpful for you: > > https://danielpocock.com/freedom-and-censorship-on-mailing-lists/ > > Does anybody know any other victims of censorship in Debian or any other > free software community? > > Stay free, > > Daniel Hi Daniel, Thank you very much for the time and care you've taken to write up your above blog. It's always reassuring to see someone notice, let alone take action, in relation to one or another of our freedoms - be that the freedom to communicate, the freedom to move and travel anonymously within our communities, or the freedom to engage in a vigorous and vicious verbal stoush with a "sworn arch enemy" for a few days, and turn around afterwards and still continue communicating with them - or not - as we so freely choose. When the screaming banshee snowflakes do all in their power to drown out discussion of rights, principles and freedoms because "muh safe space" and "how dare you f*ck with my safe comfy space, I'll have you censored, hounded out of the community, and have you lose your job to boot, because you said something I don't like", unfrotunately there are some list admins who happily ban the one exercising the free speech, and not the one wanting to "shut it all down, muh safe space!" And so the bannings, kickings, or worse even the shadow bannings are imposed and dissent is met with more bannings and finally a massive swinging CoC dangled in front "the community" - a set of rules or most often just a statement or 3 about how we having to be good to one another, which CoC is thereafter used as the justification for more bannings and censorship. If there is to be any line in the sand, what ought that line be? >From a mailing list administrator's point of view, expecting them to oppose "the statute law" is too much - many would simply close up shop altogether. So in our present world, that is perhaps, perhaps, the only reasonably acceptable line for "you've crossed the line on free speech", and even then bannings or removal probably should not happen unless a court order is served on the list administrator. That's called presumption of innocence and assuming we do in fact have the right to live our rights. I appreciate your blog, and perhaps a few on the CypherPunks list may also appreciate it - CyphePunks is one of the few mailing lists that still strives to be staunch in standing for free speech - including the right of those who want to say "shut it down". Not the easiest journey apparently... Re RMS, I emailed him and encouraged him to withdraw his respective resignations (from FSF and MIT) - I don't know what the current status is. The email may be found here: reaching out -- was Re: Richard Stallman Gets SJW'd https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-September/076425.html And there's a whole (17 email) thread earlier, starting here: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-September/076395.html Although a Google (Jewgle) search for "stallman site:lists.cpunks.org": https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=stallman+site%3Alists.cp… Brings up as at 20191009 11:15, only the following FOUR results: https://www.google.com/url?q=https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks… https://www.google.com/url?q=https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks… https://www.google.com/url?q=https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks… https://www.google.com/url?q=https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks… And do NOTE, I have disabled google's "safe search" and anything similar I could find. This campaign/war against our basic rights, goes incredibly deep, right into the heart of "Silicon Valley" in bed with the NSA, CIA etc. See also: on the necessity of a @snowflake codedoc annotation https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-November/043880.html

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Volcker (the Fed): “The American standard of living must decline” - End the Fed - [MONEY] [PEACE]
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Mar '20

08 Mar '20

Paul Volcker, chairman of the Fed, August 1979 to August 1987: “The American standard of living must decline” And indeed it has, just as the Aussie dollar has been gutted, so too has the US fiat. Paul Adolph Volcker Jr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker Rabobank: "The Key Reason We Are In This Mess Is Due To Volcker" https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rabobank-key-reason-we-are-mess-due-volck… John Maynard Keynes: "There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose." https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-12-09/end-epoch-report-8-dec The End of an Epoch, Report 8 Dec A fundamental change: "The Fed has gone from the financial bubble’s hostage to its guardian." https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trapped-when-will-we-know-they-lost-contr… Trapped (When Will We Know 'They' Lost Control?) "As asset markets have become so large, relative to the real economy, their turbulence determines the economic outlook and not, as is normally the case, the other way around. This is why the Fed has cut interest rates during the trade war, even with unemployment at historic lows. It views the ensuing market turbulence as a threat to the economy. The Fed has gone from the financial bubble’s hostage to its guardian." ... So why would the Fed worry about any "threat to the economy"? Could it be that about half a quintillion fiats of debt, ultimately "owed" to the BIS, via the Fed, is the control mechanism upon the world, used to dictate to parliaments, militaries and the people generally, what systems we are to have - what systems of government, which "regimes" must be overthrown by "our" militaries, and which financial instruments (e.g. debt vs credit paper issuance or "fiat printing") we are allowed to use ('member JFK briefly, just prior to his death, fired up the Greenback 'credit paper' printing press)? Why would the BIS insist that the entire world (minus NK, Iran and Venezuela, surprise surprise) is only allowed to print debt based fiats, and not credit based fiats? Could it be that the BIS and its (((owners))) want to pretend they own the world, and all of us too, and don't want us to have liberty, freedom, all those sorts of good things? If the BIS/Fed had actually managed to subdue NK, Iran and Venezuela, along with Iraq and Libya (remember Saddam and Qaddhafi), then the global hegemonic order might have been considered done, and the USD reset, and issuance of a New World Order debt based fiat, could have proceeded aplan. But Putin was not Saddam'ed, Qadhafi'ed or JFK'ed, and he stood by Syria, and effectively Iran, and has very publicly stated that nations have a right to their sovereignty, and that Russia values her own sovereignty very highly. So now it's a multi polar world and TPTB are jostling for power and control in the aftermath of their epic "all chips on the table" NWO failure. Perhaps this is the underlying economic/power reason that we remain in a kind of limbo? Perhaps TPTB cannot bear to reset the USD fiat system thus hastening the multi polar world, and are just zombie-ing along pitifully? ------ Imagine for moment, entirely hypothetically mind you, that you yourself are Monti Burns gleefully rubbing his hands together about a half a quintillion USD fiats "owed" to you, or rather, to the BIS. Now imagine that instead of real and substantial relationships built up over decades, you'd merely enslaved, bombed into submission, and indebted those 99% of nations that ARE a part of the BIS Federal Reserve system, and so all thinkers / observers in the world, are fundamentally pissed off with the way things are, and are just waiting for the bell to toll on the USD as they issue national currencies and finally shake off the cobwebs of the BIS? Would you not, in this entirely ficticious hypothetical, be a little annoyed that you 500 trillion fiats of debt owed to you, were about to "go up in smoke" the minute this debt based fiat system collapses under its exponential thus mathematically pre-ordained weight? Wouldn't this all be just, slightly annoying? And so perhaps you'd even consider lowering interest rates to less than zero and printing the firetruck out of those USD fiats, just to keep the bubble inflated while you try, vainly and pathetically, to figure out a better exit strategy? Not an enviable position to be in - from a purely "strategic problem space" perspective of course, since you still own all the relevant banks, media houses, corporations, militaries and governments. But still. Half a f@#king quintillion fiat dollars about to go up in smoke! Damn dude! What a decision to have to make?! What would Jesus do? What would you do? -- Seven day challenge muffas :D Put your dignity first, heh? ;)

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mail.yandex.com FTFW :D - [LIBERATING]
by Zigger Joe 04 Mar '20

04 Mar '20

>From the liberating ones elf from the Western beast, muffas :D Enjoy: https://www.memedroid.com/memes/tag/nazi https://yandex.com/images/search?from=tabbar&text=sexy%20nazi%20memes More usefully, ya might find these useful: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/configure-postfix-to-use-gmail-as-a-mai… http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html And fer all ya scoundrel traitorous bastards joinin the ... RUSSIANS!!! : # mail.Yandex.[com|ru] new account https://passport.yandex.com/registration # Mail.ru new account https://account.mail.ru/signup?from=main_noc Do NOT stop using Google services! Dang kids these days, turnin bloody red alredy! "You helpin da RUSSIANS, boy"?!?#??? You --will-- be monitored for yer insolence! -- 7 day challenge muffas - yeehaw!! :D

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EOMA68 Computing Devices manufacturing update
by Zenaan Harkness 02 Mar '20

02 Mar '20

This bloke is evidently dedicated, that's for sure: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/2-7-5-manufacturin…

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USA: 41 Democrats Travel Overseas to One Country at Once?
by grarpamp 01 Mar '20

01 Mar '20

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/08/democrats-affiliated-violates/ https://theintercept.com/2019/06/20/steny-hoyer-aipac-j-street-israel/ https://jewishinsider.com/2019/06/aipacs-congressional-trip-to-israel-leave… House Majority Leader Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD) landed today in Israel with 41 other Democratic Representatives for a week-long, all-expenses-paid junket sponsored by the American Israel Education Foundation (AIEF), the educational branch of the lobbying organization American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)... Ignoring the source links... 41 US elected reps in office traveling at once to one country? That's 10% of that body, not including support and associated political elements... How rare is that, whether to, or even from any other country in the world, under any international situation? Shit these days is beyond bizarre. https://reddit.com/r/Israel_Palestine/comments/cmhc6c/afraid_to_say_their_n… https://reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/cmq2gj/israel_buys_owns_the_us_con… https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/To-protect-Israel-… https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/ACLU-files-complai… https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/371/832/1e3.jpg

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Putin: "Big problem - Hillary knows!" - [PEACE] [COMEDY]
by Zenaan Harkness 23 Feb '20

23 Feb '20

Well well well, an absolutely UNredacted Trump-Putin telephone transcript. In non Soviet Russia, phone transcribe you! On problem below, subject line postulate with "If". What If Hillary Clinton Was Right... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/what-if-hillary-clinton-was-right https://www.libertynation.com/hillary-clinton-was-right-a-satire/ The following is a transcript of what Russian President Vladimir Putin recently told President Donald Trump during a phone call. This transcript was provided by an anonymous Russian – possibly the same one from whom Rep. Adam Schiff tried to get compromising photos of Trump. Unlike Schiff, we have not doctored this transcript. Vladimir Putin: “Hello, Trump, this is Vladimir. Hah! Funny man. Vladimir Putin, president of Russia. Listen, we need to have serious talk. We had agreement. You tell me you cooperate if I help you win election in 2016. What’s this make American great again sh*t? I thought that was joke. You start playing with the ball or I’m going to replace you next year with Tulsi Gabbard. “Yes, Donald, I know, but you are not helpful. Not like Obama. When I rigged his election against … what’s his name? That big, stupid Mormon? Romney, yes, Romney. When I helped Obama he promised to be flexible. Yes, he was very flexible – I got everything I wanted. He was, how you say, pushover. I hoped you would be like him, only more white, of course. “You make America strongest country in world, now. You increase energy production – that’s not good for me. You give aid to the sniveling Ukrainian dogs. You do nothing for Russia. No, that’s not funny, I tell you funny Soviet joke: What do you do with peasant who steal sack of potatoes? Send him to gulag for three winters. Hmm, perhaps it lose something in translation – in Russian, is very funny. Of course, as we used to say in KGB: In Soviet Russia, joke laughs at you. “So, listen carefully, Trump. You start helping me or Tulsi gets your job. Yes, she secret Russian asset but we have problem. Clinton knows. Yes, she knows – I read it on the News Fox and the Washington Examination. I don’t know how she knows. Probably those Ukrainian sh*ts told her – you know, the same ones who try to help her win election. “Clinton is stupid woman, though. She think I groom Tulsi to help you win next year. No, I groom her to take your place. Why? Because she better looking than you and also because I am, how you say, woke: I think it’s time to have woman Russian agent running America. I’ve had black Russian agent, orange Russian agent, and now it’s time for woman Russian agent. “Yes, it is very funny that everyone Russian agent except that crazy old communist, Bernie – and he’s the only one who wants to be Russian agent! That is right: Clinton also know that Jill Stein is Russian agent. Clinton think everyone Russian agent – it’s the only thing she has ever been right about. But she think I set up Gabbard for the third-party campaign to help you win. No, she is not smart. When you read as many of her emails as I do, that becomes clear. “What about this third party thing, anyway? You Americans have too many parties. You should have only one, like here in Russia. Your Democratic Party – that is funny name, by the way – your Democratic Party may be fools, but they understand benefit of having only one party. “Yes, I have the dirt on all other candidates. By January, Gabbard will be ready to take nomination and then you get in the line or you lose, understand? “OK, Donald, you know what you have to do or it’s Tulsi time – like the famous American country song. OK, I must go now, I have Biden on the other line. He wants his son to be next head of Russian army.” In non Soviet Russia, you have been, how we say?, line punched.

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1995 Cypherpunks Archive is discovered to have been heavily forged.
by jim bell 23 Feb '20

23 Feb '20

That's exactly it. I found this out a couple of weeks ago, and there has been a discussion on the Cypherpunks list for the subsequent time. About 5 months of emails have completely disappeared, Feb 14 to July 11, 1995. But from July 11 to the end of December 1995, virtually all emails with the following strings have also disappeared""jim bell", "jimbell(a)pacifier.com", " ap ", and "assassination politics". Since you were a subscriber to the Cypherpunks list in 1995 and 1996 (and possibly later as well) you probably remember what it looked like. Your assistance on the CP list is needed. Jim Bell

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WikiLeaks: Set Julian Assange Free
by grarpamp 18 Feb '20

18 Feb '20

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[MINISTRY] capitalism v fascism/ corporatism - what are we (the West) living under?
by Zenaan Harkness 11 Feb '20

11 Feb '20

This is a write up which some whom you might consider sending it to, could find easy to read, which is the utility of this piece. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-22/destroying-capitalism-has-failed-… Destroying The "Capitalism Has Failed" Narrative Authored by Jeff Thomas via InternationalMan.com, http://www.internationalman.com/articles/capitalism-has-failed Today, more than at any time previously, Westerners are justifying a move toward collectivist thinking with the phrase, “Capitalism has failed.” https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/20180122_cap.jpg In response to this, conservative thinkers offer a knee-jerk reaction that collectivism has also had a dismal record of performance. Neither group tends to gain any ground with the other group, but over time, the West is moving inexorably in the collectivist direction. As I see it, liberals are putting forward what appears on the surface to be a legitimate criticism, and conservatives are countering it with the apology that, yes, capitalism is failing, but collectivism is worse. Unfortunately, what we’re seeing here is not classical logic, as Aristotle would have endorsed, but emotionalism that ignores the principles of logic. If we’re to follow the rules of logical discussion, we begin with the statement that capitalism has failed and, instead of treating it as a given, we examine whether the statement is correct. Only if it proves correct can we build further suppositions upon it. Whenever I’m confronted with this now oft-stated comment, my first question to the person offering it is, “Have you ever lived in a capitalist country?” That is, “Have you ever lived in a country in which, during your lifetime, a free-market system dominated?” Most people seem initially confused by this question, as they’re residents of either a European country or a North American country and operate under the assumption that the system in which they live is a capitalist one. So, let’s examine that assumption. A capitalist, or “free market,” system is one in which the prices of goods and services are determined by consumers and the open market, in which the laws and forces of supply and demand are free from any intervention by a government, price-setting monopoly, or other authority. Today, none of the major (larger) countries in what was once referred to as the “free world” bear any resemblance to this definition. Each of these countries is rife with laws, regulations, and a plethora of regulatory bodies whose very purpose is to restrict the freedom of voluntary commerce. Every year, more laws are passed to restrict free enterprise even more. Equally as bad is the fact that, in these same countries, large corporations have become so powerful that, by contributing equally to the campaigns of each major political party, they’re able to demand rewards following the elections, that not only guarantee them funds from the public coffers, but protect them against any possible prosecution as a result of this form of bribery. There’s a word for this form of governance, and it’s fascism. Many people today, if asked to describe fascism, would refer to Mussolini, black boots, and tyranny. They would state with confidence that they, themselves, do not live under fascism. But, in fact, fascism is, by definition, a state in which joint rule by business and state exists. (Mussolini himself stated that fascism would better be called corporatism, for this reason.) In recognizing the traditional definition of fascism, there can be no doubt that fascism is the driving force behind the economies of North America and Europe. In addition, the concept of any government taking by force from some individuals the fruits of their labour and bestowing it upon others is by no means free-market. It is a socialist concept. And, in any country where roughly half of the population are the recipients of such largesse, that country has, unquestionably, settled deeply into a socialist condition. However, this is by no means a new idea. As Socrates asked Adeimantus: Do not their leaders deprive the rich of their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time taking care to preserve the larger part for themselves? So, which is it? Are we saying here that these countries are socialist or fascist? Well, in truth, socialism, fascism, and, indeed, communism are all forms of collectivism. They all come under the same umbrella. So, what we’re witnessing is liberals, rightfully criticising the evils of fascism, but failing to understand it for what it is—a form of collectivism. Conservatives, on the other hand, do their best to continue to operate under their countries’ socialist laws, regulations, and regulatory bodies, whist continuing to imagine that a remnant of capitalism remains. And so we return to the question, “Have you ever lived in a country in which, during your lifetime, a free-market system dominated?” Such countries do exist. It should be pointed out, however, that even they tend to move slowly toward collectivism over time. (After all, it’s in collectivism that they gain their power.) However, some countries are “newer,” just as the US was in the early nineteenth century and, like the US, the governments have not yet had enough time to sufficiently degrade the economies that have been entrusted to them. In addition, some citizenries are feistier than others and/or are less easy to convince that, by allowing themselves to be dominated by their governments, they’ll actually be better off. Whatever the reasons, there are most certainly countries that are far more free-market than the countries discussed above. But, what does this tell us of the future? What can be done to turn these great powers back to a more free-market system? Well, the bad news is that that’s unlikely in the extreme. To be sure, we, from time to time, have inspired orators, such as Nigel Farage or Ron Paul, who remind us what we “should” do to put these countries back on track, so that they serve the people of the country, rather than its leaders. But, historically, such orators have never succeeded in reversing the trend one iota. History tells us that political leaders, in their pursuit of collectivism, never reverse the trend. They instead ride it all the way to the bottom, then bail out, if they can. However, it is ever true that, in some locations in the world, there have always been free-market societies. Over time, they deteriorate under the hands of their leaders and, as they do, others spring up. The choice of the reader is to look upon the world as his oyster - to assess whether he is more or less content with the country he’s in and confident that it will continue to be a good place in which to live, work, invest, and prosper, or, if not, to consider diversifying, or even moving entirely, to a more rewarding, more capitalist jurisdiction.

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"The worship of billionaires has become our shittiest religion"
by Razer 11 Feb '20

11 Feb '20

"Nobody should have a billion dollars, and those who do are something other than fully human." > “Money as a measure of value,” Marx tells us in Capital, “is the necessary form of appearance of the measure of value which is immanent in commodities, namely labour-time.” Money, then, is for Marx a form of sedimented time. But if this is true, then having one billion dollars (or pounds, or whatever) takes one completely beyond all human time. > One billion dollars is far, far more money than anyone could realistically spend, on their needs, within the span of a human lifetime. If you have one billion dollars, you are completely shielded from all ordinary human concerns: Never again will you know hunger, or lack shelter, or suffer from inadequate medical care. Of course, there may very well be lots of comfortable, middle-class people who will also be lucky enough to never know those wants again, but the difference is that the billionaire is isolated even from the possibility of experiencing those wants. They are like the Christian who has been saved from despair in Kierkegaard’s The Sickness Unto Death, who is eliminating the possibility of despair at every moment. If you have in your possession one billion dollars, then almost literally anything you desire — anything anyone might possibly conceive of desiring — can be yours, just as soon as you happen to desire it. But with no real friction between desire and reality, how does wanting even function? Can someone who lives like this even be said to know desire, anymore, at all? > And just as nobody can spend a billion dollars in their lifetime, nobody can earn it either. People have taken to saying “every billionaire is a policy failure”, because that sort of money makes nakedly obvious the truth Marx tells us about all wealth accumulated under capitalism: that it’s part of a process that is only possible because the people who own the means of production are, effectively, stealing it from their employees," Reasons why you should kill a rich pig as soon as possible >> https://theoutline.com/post/8187/billionaires-are-not-people/ Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail

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