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Forced Decrypt: US Judge Jails Defendant Six Months for Contempt re Phone Unlock
by grarpamp 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

https://gizmodo.com/florida-man-jailed-for-failing-to-unlock-his-phone-1827… http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/judge-jails-man-for-failing-to-unl… https://old.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/8yz2za/a_man_got_6mon… https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8y8yd1/man_faces_6_months_in_flor… https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/8yx73q/judge_jails_defendant_for_fai… https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8ypu6s/guy_gets_tossed_in_jail… https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/8z9zjr/judge_jails_man_for_180_days_f… https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/07/15/2012230/judge-jails-defendent-for-f… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547562 https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8z63lz/us_courts_can_force_you_to… http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/rodriguez-v-united-states/ https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597748/Emergency-Writ.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597747/Search-Warrant-and-Affid… In a Tampa courtroom, Judge Gregory Holder held William Montanez in contempt of court for failure to unlock a mobile device. What led to this was a frightening slippery slope that threatens our Fourth Amendment rights to the core. Montanez was stopped for failing to yield properly. After being pulled over, the officer asked to search his car; Montanez refused, so the officer held him until a drug dog was brought in to give the officer enough probable cause to search the vehicle. They found a misdemeanor amount of marijuana, which they used to arrest Montenez, but they asked to search his two cellphones, which he also refused. They were able to secure a warrant for those as well, but Montenez claimed he had forgotten his password. The result: Montanez is being held in contempt of court and is serving a six-month jail sentence. "I don't know the code, sir," he stated. So the judge found him in civil contempt and threw him in jail. http://www.decidethefuture.org/

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Re: Forced Decrypt: US Judge Jails Defendant Six Months for Contempt re Phone Unlock
by jim bell 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Well, I agree that this kind of case ought to be pre-empted by the Fifth Amendment. And I say that as a person who has spent many thousands of hours in a (prison) law library. However, law sometimes takes a long time to come to that correct conclusion. There was a SC case in 2000, called Kyllo, which prohibited the use of thermal IR viewing to develop probable cause, for example in marijuana grow cases. Kyllo v. United States The SC came to the correct conclusion, though I disagreed with the reasoning they used. (it depended on their NON-understanding of the science and technology of thermal-IR viewing.) Similarly, in 2012, the SC decided that it was necessary to get a warrant for placing a GPS device on a car, to "following it around". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Jones That, despite the argument that the information collected could, in theory, have been collected merely by placing a cop on every streetcorner, and then taking records. The contrary argument prevailed. I agreed with the contrary argument: In principle, I think that as a society, we don't want to operate on a principle that every new technology should automatically be useable against people. One can imagine a technology someday usable, which takes a continuous movie from, say, a vantage a few hundred miles up (using multiple passing satellites) of any given city. Would police be right if they consulted such a movie for evidence of a moving vehicle? Even more recently, just a month ago, the SC decided a case involving cell-phone metadata, and tracking people by their cell phones. They decided that such were "searches" and thus a warrant was required. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/supreme-court-ruling-cell-phone/ind… I also agreed with this decision. Jim Bell × On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:02:31 PM PDT, \0xDynamite <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> wrote: This is ridiculous. There is ZERO obligation for anyone to unlock their phone anymore than unlocking your house. If any "law enforcement" officer wants to insist on such, THEY BETTER HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. On 7/18/18, John Newman <jnn(a)synfin.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 06:37:19PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> https://gizmodo.com/florida-man-jailed-for-failing-to-unlock-his-phone-1827… >> http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/judge-jails-man-for-failing-to-unl… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/8yz2za/a_man_got_6mon… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8y8yd1/man_faces_6_months_in_flor… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/8yx73q/judge_jails_defendant_for_fai… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8ypu6s/guy_gets_tossed_in_jail… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/8z9zjr/judge_jails_man_for_180_days_f… >> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/07/15/2012230/judge-jails-defendent-for-f… >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547562 >> https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8z63lz/us_courts_can_force_you_to… >> http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/rodriguez-v-united-states/ >> >> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597748/Emergency-Writ.pdf >> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597747/Search-Warrant-and-Affid… >> >> In a Tampa courtroom, Judge Gregory Holder held William Montanez >> in contempt of court for failure to unlock a mobile device. What >> led to this was a frightening slippery slope that threatens our >> Fourth Amendment rights to the core. Montanez was stopped for failing >> to yield properly. After being pulled over, the officer asked to >> search his car; Montanez refused, so the officer held him until a >> drug dog was brought in to give the officer enough probable cause >> to search the vehicle. They found a misdemeanor amount of marijuana, >> which they used to arrest Montenez, but they asked to search his >> two cellphones, which he also refused. They were able to secure a >> warrant for those as well, but Montenez claimed he had forgotten >> his password. The result: Montanez is being held in contempt of >> court and is serving a six-month jail sentence. >> >> "I don't know the code, sir," he stated. >> So the judge found him in civil contempt and threw him in jail. > > ARG! Fucking disgusting. At least he didn't have a fingerprint or > "FaceID" unlock setup, or they could've manhandled him into unlocking it > biometrically. So, basically: keep using a PIN code (which can still be > broken, but is rather a PITA for the pigs). > > John > >> >> >> http://www.decidethefuture.org/ > > -- > GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 >

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I feel very sad :(
by Mirimir 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

So I just came across https://www.ssh.com/ssh/port on HN. And read: | On July 12, 1995, at 2:32am, I announced a final beta version to | my beta testers at Helsinki University of Technology. At 5:23pm I | announced ssh-1.0.0 packages to my beta testers. At 5:51pm on | July 12, 1995, I sent an announcement about SSH (Secure Shell) to | the cypherpunks(a)toad.com mailing list. I also posted it to a few | newsgroups, mailing lists, and directly to selected people who | had discussed related topics on the Internet. The only list he mentions by name is this one! That's just fucking sad.

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A Feral Man's Rhesus Fit Rant: How to Become "Her"
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>juan juan.g71 at spookmail.com >Sat Jul 14 14:15:01 PDT 2018 > >can't get any dumber Yes we can. [Pic related]

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Phoney "Penis" Strikes Again
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>Steven Schear schear.steve at spookmail.com >Sun Jul 15 16:48:18 PDT 2018 > >This was not a "real" win, Yes, and we don't live in the "real" world. The ruling upheld existing freedoms for private citizens to design and manufacture their own firearms.

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Phoney "Penis" Strikes Again
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>Steven Schear schear.steve at spookmail.com >Sun Jul 15 16:48:18 PDT 2018 > >This was not a "real" win, Yes, and we don't live in the "real" world. The ruling upheld existing freedoms for private citizens to design and manufacture their own firearms.

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Jews: Oath Suspending, Always Expelled, Haha
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>grarpamp grarpamp at gmail.com >Fri Jul 13 11:33:30 PDT 2018 > >not breaking links >sharing sites that require js to load >implying we are africa, asia, or india Get fucked boomer. >Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when we (all of humanity) >have used more from nature than our planet can renew in the >entire year >all of humanity >all Blaming others for your misuse of earthly resources yet again. >overfishing UK jews. >overharvesting forests SA jews. >emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere >than ecosystems can absorb Water vapor is the largest greenhouse gas. Plant more trees. All jews hate trees.

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Geek captcha
by Steven Schear 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

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Australian Government “My Health Record” - opt out now, before it's too late - was Re: Fwd: www.myhelthrecord.gov.au [WAR]
by Zenaan Harkness 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

Australia is starting to come down hard. On this little piece of despotism, my fellow Aussies have a few weeks to opt out. Probably a good idea to opt out, and spread the word. Good luck, Zenaan ----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> ----- From: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 17:23:07 +1000 Subject: Australian Government “My Health Record” - opt out now, before it's too late - was Re: Fwd: www.myhelthrecord.gov.au WOW! It's getting worse! I have opted out, I recommend you all opt out - data centralisation is just another step closer to an absolute fascist dictatorship. And remember - we in Australia already have ABSOLUTELY despotic "anti terror" laws, ON THE BOOKS, including: - indefinite detention - detention without being charged - detention without trial - criminal offence for family and friends to publicise the fact that you are detained - warrantless search, seizure, arrest and detention - warrantless meta data collection and indefinite storage (we are part of 5-eyes, now 6+ eyes) - rampant financial corruption (debt enslavement of the country/ population, under the constitutionally illegal fiat debt system instituted upon us at Bretton Woods in 1947) - and an ongoing, overwhelming litany more At least on this ridiculous back door to an "Australia" ID card, we can (for the next few weeks) opt out. Some would consider opting out, to be a wise decision. Good luck folks, Zenaan On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 03:53:14PM +1000, Gil May wrote: > : www.myhelthrecord.gov.au > > Your personal Health Record is being created and will be available to > insurance Co's, Future Employers, and many others divulging you and your > families personal records, and can/will be used against you on > insurance/employment/security/licenses/passports and other applications IF > YOU DO NOT OPT OUT > > If you do not opt out of this fascist system you may never succeed in an > insurance claim should you need one because all kinds of corporations and > lawyers will have access to any minor health problem you may have had and > use that to deny your claims. > > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> > <#m_-4438227735010994525_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ----- End forwarded message -----

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Earth: Growth Is Ending, You Fucked Yourselves, Haha
by grarpamp 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Zw0_4CH1A Fucked 1.7 times over, and growing... https://www.overshootday.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overshoot_(population)

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