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[MONEY] Tick tock - LBMA and COMEX “physical” gold pricing farce soon to be replaced
by Zenaan Harkness 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

Times are changin… ** Russia, China, India Unveil New Gold Trading Network https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413… ------------------------------------------------------------ by Ronan Manly on Mon, Dec 4, 2017 One of the most notable events in Russia’s precious metals market calendar is the annual “Russian Bullion Market” conference. Formerly known as the Russian Bullion Awards, this conference, now in its 10th year, took place this year on Friday 24 November in Moscow. Among the speakers lined up, the most notable inclusion was probably Sergey Shvetsov, First Deputy Chairman of Russia’s central bank, the Bank of Russia.

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Re: Enron-type coverups do not typically exist
by Ryan Carboni 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

The ACLU is headquartered in New York. Given what the NYPD is famous for, they seem to be complete failures at upholding civil liberty. Every so often, you hear about one of their officers exhibiting some sort of severe mental defect. The world does not remotely seem possible.

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“open our eyes, ears, and hearts and realize we’re all human”
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

>From following a quote on lwn.net, this very well written piece may be useful for some <ahem>. There's always 2 sides - just that some sides are bigger, better, badder and more delicious than the other side :) Peace yo! https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5046 A Clash of Cultures There’s an Internet controversy going on between Dale Dougherty, the CEO of Maker Media and Naomi Wu (@realsexycyborg), a Chinese Maker and Internet personality. Briefly, Dale Doughtery tweeted a single line questioning Naomi Wu’s authenticity, which is destroying Naomi’s reputation and livelihood in China.

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If Your Vibrator Is Hacked, Is It a Sex Crime?
by Cecilia Tanaka 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

If Your Vibrator Is Hacked, Is It a Sex Crime? https://gizmodo.com/if-your-vibrator-is-hacked-is-it-a-sex-crime-1820007951 Hihihi... :D ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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Geocaching: Treasure, Splinterheads, Cicada_3301
by grarpamp 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

Treasure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYfoSyBudUs Splinterheads https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FxrMY91jJU GIFF 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5zQakQstyM https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 Sometimes the best treasures lie elsewhere, not at hand, in or for the future, some encrypted, hardly readily seen or findable by others, often unexpected. Vires In Numeris.

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[WAR] Glorious Western democracy for the world - Donbass survivor tells her story
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

The 2014 Kiev coup is widely proclaimed as the most blatant (((state-sponsored))) coup in history: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/12/head-stratfor-private-cia-says-overt… http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-americas-coup-in-ukraine-did/5581520?prin… https://www.newcoldwar.org/stratfor-chiefs-most-blatant-coup-in-history-int… With Victoria Nuland handing out cookies on Maidan square, leaked phone calls, and Deputy US Secretary of State and US Ambassador discussing who should be Ukraine's next prime minister, https://wikispooks.com/wiki/2014_Ukraine_coup https://southfront.org/gallup-ukrainians-loathe-the-kiev-government-imposed… http://www.kontext-tv.de/en/broadcasts/most-blatant-coup-history-mankind-an… this certainly was/is "the most blatant coup in history", Western Lame Stream Media narrative notwithstanding: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/international-c… http://www.newsweek.com/putin-preparing-all-out-invasion-ukraine-538615 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/25/putin-new-russian-emp… with a documentary finally telling at least part of the back story (Poroshenko is evidently being thrown under a bus by his Western paymasters): https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-truth-about-ukraine-italian-docume… https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Ukraine_coup_2014/Maidan_snipers http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/11/another-false-flag-terror-admission-… and other documentaries aplenty, to tell parts of the true story: https://www.newcoldwar.org/bombshell-revelations-italian-television-documen… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoDIKXYh7Js https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg Welcome to the just of the many evils of "your" Western governments (many other prime examples including Libya's Qaddafi). The human cost, the real truth behind the incessant MSM chants of "the evil Putin" supposedly "justifying" such coups and destruction of nations, are the price we collectively pay for allowing "our" governments to become entirely evil and completely out of any control by we the people. Anna Tuv is one of the Donbass survivors from the time the Ukrainian government started shelling its own civillians. She has begun to tell her story. Anna Tuv's war continues. Her bullets: the truth about Donbass December 3, 2017 - Fort Russ News - - Alexey Toporov in Tsargradtv, translated by Tom Winter http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/12/anna-tuvs-war-continues-her-bullets.html

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Re: [Cryptography] Cryptocurrency: CME Approved, Coin Paychecks, FED, OpenBazaar ZEC BCH
by grarpamp 03 Dec '17

03 Dec '17

Re: crypto investing, social, politics > I am concerned. > A lot of money is going into Bitcoin. According to market cap other cryptos are receiving 44% of the fiat money input. (Though note that market cap is a bogus metric.) > as long as the investors are solvent. > But the current crop aren't. A lot of that money is borrowed. If users don't evaluate and/or overextend themselves that's their own fault. Help them evaluate. > And now banks are borrowing to hold bitcoin in their portfolios.... If able to borrow from govt / users, that's tricky. If they borrow at 0%, no problem, sell the crypto and repay. If they borrow at > 0% to enrich themselves, you shouldn't be entrusting your fiat to such entities who thereby devalue and possibly lose and take it. Not that it matters anyways since every fiat spent into crypto devalues that fiat ala minimally forex shift. A couple Golden Rules of fixed quantity cryptos: - Never sell for any amount less than your buy price minus any amount granted as disposable risk. - Hodl, at least until you don't have to anymore, or adoption happens. Would you accept less than a dollar for your dollar? No! Yet you accept it every day due to money printing inflation. If you hodl fiat, you will lose value... there is no point at which you can execute a stop loss on fiat, except by move to non inflating asset, or grow it and try to beat whatever prime and other rates, taxes, etc. Many cryptos are non inflating (aka: not lossy), and are currently also high growth. What's interesting is that borrowing markets are already developing among cryptos themselves, even extending out to fiat. > A lot of the institutions holding that bitcoin for their customers don't > have anything like the amount of USD on hand that they'd need to cash > In order to lay hands on that amount of USD, of course they'd have to > sell Bitcoin. Show us a contract from any such institution stating that such institution itself will guarantee and pay fiat on demand. Exchanges don't do that, they're neutral, their order books do. Wallet providers (aka: banks) don't do that, their insurers do. Insurers don't do that, because they're woefully insolvent aganst systemic / mass / excess casualty. Including these... http://c7.alamy.com/comp/C4B932/money-changers-carry-loads-of-low-value-not… https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/hyperinflation-weimar-republic-1922/ Users hold their private keys against counterparty default. > the customers out in case something happened that shook their confidence Most crypto is ownership, not debt. Provided the crypto, protocols, and network ops are strong... there is no internal confidence event. Regulation will cause most external confidence events. Until the swiss bank in your phone absorbs, overpowers, and governs regulators and other influences causing them. > A large sell-off in a thinly traded asset would cause a market shock. What do you think last months massive buy in was? Exchanges and connections tanked because they were chumps and/or jammed by regulatory limits. > The customers would get less money than expected for their coin due to > the market shock. No, they get exactly what's under their mouse button when they decide to click it. > they were "cheated", might prompt more customers to want to sell. They were cheated at fiat debt, not crypto owned... a prudent investors has no current reason to sell crypto. The promise of crypto and the unwritten compact of its users is that there is no reason to sell, only to adopt and use it... https://i.pinimg.com/564x/38/ab/52/38ab529815f55064db140e235a8d8820--blue-p… The ever growing many thousands of places around the world accepting crypto prove this theory is working and will continue to do so. > intended to be something where debt wasn't possible. Again, hidden debt, in an open ledger crypto, isn't possible. You either own it or you don't. None of this precludes the issuance of crypto loans. > But when people are in debt to own something and... [spiral] Who voted for and invested in a resultant scheme that let that happen? Trying to write around the failures of all of govts, fiat, and the users like this... is a failure in itself. Don't do that. > It's starting to sound a lot like those funny mortgages people > were writing in 2007. Yes, the fiat schemes are sounding like that, the crypto badger itself is just fine as always and simply doesn't give a shit. Own some, without taking on debt to do it.

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Community Guerrilla Mesh Networks
by grarpamp 03 Dec '17

03 Dec '17

Detroit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B0u6nvcTsI Doe Bay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBiBLG9wnDU https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=community+mesh+networks

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Re: Magic Money: The Bitcoin Revolution (Documentary)
by g2s 03 Dec '17

03 Dec '17

-------- Original message --------From: jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> Date: 12/1/17 10:36 AM (GMT-08:00) To: grarpamp <grarpamp(a)gmail.com>, cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org, g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> Subject: Re: Magic Money: The Bitcoin Revolution (Documentary) On Friday, December 1, 2017, 8:42:41 AM PST, g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: >Hahaha! Imagine the mayhem if the US dollar lost 20% of its value overnight. Bitcoin's potential worthiness has been maneuvered by the same scumbags who ruined the financial markets with flash trading to be a Pyramid Scam only truly stupid people would believe in. Or scam artists like the libertard shits infesting this list. >Bitcoin loses over a fifth of its value in less than 24 hours Bitcoin loses over a fifth of its value in less than 24 hours× I'm not going to let you forget that as a consequence of my October 7, 20177:00PM (Prague time) Prague speech, Bitcoin went from about $4300 to $5800 in six days. Raising the value of all Bitcoin by $24 billion. And don't forget: Well before that, I TOLD the CP list to "Buy Bitcoin" Jim Bell And remember folks. Capitalism and Anarchism, as it is with socialism, are mutually exclusive. There IS NO SUCH THING as "Anarcho-capitalism". Why? Because anarchism is based on people freely exchanging according to need, not "free markets" exchanging according to greed. Rr

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Enron-type coverups do not typically exist
by Ryan Carboni 03 Dec '17

03 Dec '17

Most coverups don't really involve people grabbing reams of documents and forcing them down shredders (although the Iran-Contra case comes to mind). Instead they often involve deceiving their participants as to the necessity as to continuing the coverup and the ongoing actions. Let's call this a JFK-style coverup. The most noteworthy JFK-style coverup would be the LAPD police cadet scandal. (perhaps the Hollywood sex scandals would be better, but I suppose in retrospect there is no good reason to lock a door from your desk) http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-cadets-thefts-timeline-201… (excerpts for maximal understanding) ”When you look back, you can say, ‘Well, how come no one noticed that?’” said Frank. “We have a lot of young-looking officers. … There’s so many officers that are looking like that, we’re at that stage where it’s not that odd until after the fact.” ... Cain’s attorney, Bill Seki, has denied his client had any knowledge of the thefts. Seki has repeatedly accused the LAPD of using Cain as a “scapegoat” and contends other officers were aware that the vehicles had been taken. “They’re still trying to throw it at him, the easy target, protecting others that would have been aware of it,” he said. ---- Basically he is pointing out the disingenuity of it all. I believe the ACLU too has been disingenuous, and so has Black Lives Matter. They support increased numbers of prosecutions of police brutality cases, and yet so many times these cases yield not guilty verdicts. Even in the case where a police officer shot a man because he smelled like weed (nevermind that burnt weed is not that different a smell from industrial chemicals). I just wonder how this could happen. It is such a mystery. All these millions. Going no where. Can't figure it out. Such a mystery. Insurmountable. Really curious. Don't get it. Beyond me.

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