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Re: [WAR] US government set on complete destruction of Ukraine
by Sean Lynch 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 4:41 PM, <xorcist(a)sigaint.org> wrote: > > No, this is Putin's baby. He's set it up so that if he can't have > Ukraine, > > nobody will. > > No, it is quite likely that the coup in Ukraine was instigated and > organized by U.S. interests. > > There are a lot of interests that would have good reason to do so. > > Economic: Soros, Geithner, and pals have been looking to depress the > Russian currency for years. At least back to 2008, that I am aware of. One > can speculate why, the simplest reason is to make money themselves. > > NATO: Yanukovych's government was Russian-leaning, while there were > "Orange Revolution" leaning politicians, activists, and so on in Western > Ukraine. Having Ukraine be Russian-leaning, and theoretically independent > puts NATO in a difficult position. Poland and Romania are NATO members, > with Ukraine right between them. For supply-line and airspace reasons, it > is strongly desirable to NATO interests to bring Ukraine under the > umbrella. This also provides another, angle of attack on Moscow. > > Understand the situation: NATO is encircling Moscow. Estonia and Lativa to > it's NW, Lithuania due-West, with Belarus as a buffer. Both countries are > positioned to place rockets within 800km of Moscow. If Ukraine were to go > NATO, it also would be able to position rockets or troops within 800km of > Moscow from the SW, with no buffer. Assuming Russia is unconcerned about > Lithuania, trusting Belarus to be able to intercept any aerial attacks, > that still leaves the possibility for simultaneous attacks from two > directions. > > It is entirely unacceptable, from a purely strategic of view. These > nations going to NATO represents an existential threat to Russia. > > Putin's response, of "taking" Crimea, was quite measured, in my opinion. > The Black Sea is of vital national interest. Were NATO able to get a > carrier group into the to Black Sea, along with the other listed > positions, it would be impossible to stop the capital from getting > captured in an invasion. > > Finally, your suggestion that Putin is somehow not letting the "poor > Ukrainians" from exercising their rights is blinded. The fact is, there > are BOTH strong pro-Western, and pro-Russian sides to Ukraine. This is not > a recent development. The tensions have been there for several > generations. > > Whether you like it or not, it is Putin's job to protect his country and > to prevent the very ABILITY for foreign nations to have that potential, > regardless of whether or not you believe NATO has the will to do so. > Regardless of the will, it should not be POSSIBLE from Russia's > perspective. > > That said, it is also arguably NATO's job to expand, and to position > itself so that Russia joining NATO, becomes the only strategy left to the > Russians. > > This, of course, is called Empire I staked out a stronger position than I actually hold, a hopefully forgivable mistake in response to Zenaan's black-and-white "Russia good, US evil" propagandizing. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

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"Too much netflix and youtube syndrome" affecting 'Merican children
by Razer 07 Jul '18

07 Jul '18

A friend of mine about her four year old: "My daughter was doing a little song and dance this morning and was really boogieing down. She paused for a second and said,"I'm buffering" Rr

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[POLITICS] [RUS] God Praise America ! Russian Paralympians banned
by Zenaan Harkness 03 Oct '17

03 Oct '17

Hoo yah! We LOVE America. God bless America!!! Belarus Athletes Carry Russia Flag in Support of Unjustly Banned Paralympians http://russia-insider.com/en/belarus-athletes-carry-russia-flag-support-unj… (Alt: https://www.rt.com/sport/358613-belarus-russian-flag-paralympics/ ) Nope, no dirty American laundry here folks - move along now! On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 02:08:38PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 5:11 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> wrote: > > > If anyone wanted an example of propaganda and political bullying: > > > > > > "The IAAF and now the sports bodies of the US and Canada are not only > > > demanding that Russian athletes prove their innocence before they can > > > take part in the Games. They also demand that even if athletes prove > > > their innocence, they should only be allowed to take part in the Games > > > as “neutrals” and not as Russians. Thus even if proved innocent Russian > > > athletes would have to deny their nation and their country – foregoing > > > the right to wear its colours or hear its anthem if they win." > > > > > > http://theduran.com/stalinist-witch-hunt-russian-athletes/ > > > > > > > > > (I'm not sure anyone takes seriously the assertion that USA basically > > > does not use propaganda, only speaks truth and righteousness - I find it > > > quite amazing that such an assertion was even put in this mailing list > > > but I guess it's possible -some- people do believe that...) > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 06:07:05PM +0000, Sean Lynch wrote: > > Participate as a country, dope as a country, get banned as a country. Maybe > > Russia should clean its house if it wants representation at the games. Or > > if the institution itself is illegitimate, why do Russians want to > > represent their country so badly at the games? > > > > Oh well, the IOC refused to ban "the entire Russian Olympic team, > regardless", but ultimately "justice" is served - with the banning of, > wait for it, > > the entire Russian --Paralympic-- team. > > > YEAH! > > > Now -that-'s "justice", right Sean? Punish those paraplegic bastards! > Every last one of them, whether guilty or not!!! > > YEAH! U! S! A! Delivering JUSTICE to THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > God -damn- we need to be greatful to America! > > And what a wonderful world we live in... so much empathy, harmony and > justice. > > > > God Praise America!!! > > > (Yes, AND you, CIA, you snivelling grovelling sluts! Thank you SO much > for this effective, decisive and ultimately just and righteous, psyops > campaign. Fucken A!) > > > > > > ** Vladimir Putin slams Paralympic ban; Congratulates Russian athletes > (http://theduran.com/putin-slams-paralympic-ban-congratulates-russian-athlet…) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > By Alexander Mercouris on Aug 26, 2016 02:00 pm > russia paralympics > > Russian President Putin has just given a scathing assessment > (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/52765) of the collective ban > on Russia’s Paralympic Team. > > In doing so he has made it quite clear that he – like most Russians – > sees the ban as purely political and completely rejects the reasoning > behind it… > > “The decision to disqualify our Paralympic athletes goes beyond law, > morality and humanity. It is quite simply cynical to take out one’s > revenge and frustration on people for whom sport has become their life > purpose and whose example gives hope and self-confidence to millions of > people with disabilities. I even feel pity for those who take decisions > of this kind because they do not understand just how degrading this is > for them.” > > (Bold italics added) > > The words “revenge and frustration” quite clearly show that Putin sees > the campaign to ban the Russian Paralympic team as an act of spite and > revenge for the failure to achieve a collective ban of the Russian > Olympic team. > > The Russians have made it clear that they do not agree with the legal > reasoning of the CAS decision upholding the ban, > (http://theduran.com/court-arbitration-sport-upholds-ban-russian-paralympic-…) > and that they will continue to contest it in the civil courts and in the > European Court of Human Rights. > > As I have said previously, there is no doubt the Russians will pursue > legal action to its conclusion in this affair > (http://theduran.com/trying-ban-team-russia-olympics-big-mistake/) . > With the International Paralympic Committee looking at a disastrous > failure of the Paralympic Games in Rio and apparently short of money, it > may not be in good shape to contest whatever court cases the Russians > bring, or to pay any court awards the Russians might win. > > In addition to his comments about the Paralympic ban, Putin also made > some very interesting comments about the Russian athletes who competed > in the Rio Olympic Games > > “We know what a difficult time our athletes had in Rio. The team was cut > by nearly a third just before competition was about to start and lost > the chance to show its ability in the sports in which Russia has > traditionally been one of the recognised favourites. But you measured up > to all of these challenges, showed great unity and proved that victory > can be won not just by numbers, though numbers were important too, but > perhaps more importantly, victory is also won through skill. You > displayed a true fighting spirit, did not melt down or bend under the > pressure, but fought and won.” > > (Bold italics added) > > The words “showed great unity” surely refer to the point I have made > previously (http://theduran.com/russian-olympians-defy-odds-rio/) : that > not a single Russian athlete has succumbed to the pressure to turn > informer in return for the reward of a guaranteed place in the Rio > Olympic Games and a lucrative sports career in the West. > > What that means is that the entirety of the evidence that there is or > was a state-sponsored system of doping in Russia is that contained in > the McLaren report, which CAS has already said is “incomplete” and > cannot be used as evidence in deciding the fate of individual athletes. > That puts the IAAF, WADA, the IPC and potentially McLaren himself, in a > very fragile position in light of the pending court cases. > > The post Vladimir Putin slams Paralympic ban; Congratulates Russian > athletes > (http://theduran.com/putin-slams-paralympic-ban-congratulates-russian-athlet…) > appeared first on The Duran (http://theduran.com) .

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Russia's "eye-watering" military toys
by Zenaan Harkness 11 Jul '17

11 Jul '17

http://journal-neo.org/2015/11/16/do-we-really-want-a-new-world-war-with-ru… Enjoyable read. Reminds me of that immortal line in the Putin documentary where the Russian navy chief points at a radar screen saying something like 'look at that, I've never seen [a destroyer class battleship] do this figure-8 move before' as the USS Donald Cook first enters then hightails out of Crimean waters. International military sparring at its best :) Z

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Russia bans purchase of foreign non-niche software in Russian state agencies
by Zenaan Harkness 08 Jul '17

08 Jul '17

Import substitution applied to software... http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/11/medvedev-bans-use-of-foreign-made.html Medvedev bans the use of foreign-made software in Russian state agencies Translated by Ollie Richardson for Fort Russ 20th November, 2015 novayagazeta.ru The Prime Minister of Russia, Dmitry Medevdev, has signed a decree prohibiting from 1 January 2016 the purchase of foreign-made software for state needs, reports the press service of the Cabinet. According to the document, customers will now be obliged to buy Russian-produced software. It notes that the initiative is a method of import substitution. The exception is when software has the necessary functional, technical or operational characteristics absent in Russia. To place an order on, for example Microsoft Windows, officials will have to justify the need for this operating system. As reported to "Kommersant" earlier, the official, who asked to remain anonymous, said that a German IT company began to discuss with the Ministry of economic development the possibility of a partial transfer of software production to Russia, in order thus to be able to sell it on government orders. A draft resolution was prepared and submitted by the Ministry of communications and mass communications of the Russian Federation. It was presented to Medvedev earlier in April.

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Equation Group - Cyber Weapons Auction
by grarpamp 11 Apr '17

11 Apr '17

http://pastebin.com/NDTU5kJQ a guest Aug 13th, 2016 27,472 Never -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 From: bitmessage = BM-NBvAHfp5Y6wBykgbirVLndZtEFCYGht8 i2p-bote = o1uHOkOcMoFEa7O7dbEilzfMvWzo7bDu~td3x9gYz4b4t5OriJ7U6GUWr5GZoWxQ9f2TrIY5RzhpIMVP6hTLXZ Equation Group Cyber Weapons Auction - Invitation - ------------------------------------------------ !!! Attention government sponsors of cyber warfare and those who profit from it !!!! How much you pay for enemies cyber weapons? Not malware you find in networks. Both sides, RAT + LP, full state sponsor tool set? We find cyber weapons made by creators of stuxnet, duqu, flame. Kaspersky calls Equation Group. We follow Equation Group traffic. We find Equation Group source range. We hack Equation Group. We find many many Equation Group cyber weapons. You see pictures. We give you some Equation Group files free, you see. This is good proof no? You enjoy!!! You break many things. You find many intrusions. You write many words. But not all, we are auction the best files. Picture Urls - ------------ http://imgur.com/a/sYpyn https://theshadowbrokers.tumblr.com/ https://github.com/theshadowbrokers/EQGRP-AUCTION File Urls - ---------- magnet:?xt=urn:btih:40a5f1514514fb67943f137f7fde0a7b5e991f76&tr=http://diftracker.i2p/announce.php https://mega.nz/#!zEAU1AQL!oWJ63n-D6lCuCQ4AY0Cv_405hX8kn7MEsa1iLH5UjKU https://app.box.com/s/amgkpu1d9ttijyeyw2m4lso3egb4sola https://www.dropbox.com/s/g8kvfl4xtj2vr24/EQGRP-Auction-Files.zip https://ln.sync.com/dl/5bd1916d0#eet5ufvg-tjijei4j-vtadjk6b-imyg2qkd https://yadi.sk/d/QY6smCgTtoNz6 Free Files (Proof) - ------------------ eqgrp-free-file.tar.xz.gpg sha256sum = b5961eee7cb3eca209b92436ed7bdd74e025bf615b90c408829156d128c7a169 gpg --decrypt --output eqgrp-free-file.tar.xz eqgrp-free-file.tar.xz.gpg Password = theequationgroup Auction Files - ------------- eqgrp_auction_file.tar.xz.asc sha256sum = af1dabd8eceec79409742cc9d9a20b9651058bbb8d2ce60a0edcfa568d91dbea Password = ???? Auction Instructions - -------------------- We auction best files to highest bidder. Auction files better than stuxnet. Auction files better than free files we already give you. The party which sends most bitcoins to address: 19BY2XCgbDe6WtTVbTyzM9eR3LYr6VitWK before bidding stops is winner, we tell how to decrypt. Very important!!! When you send bitcoin you add additional output to transaction. You add OP_Return output. In Op_Return output you put your (bidder) contact info. We suggest use bitmessage or I2P-bote email address. No other information will be disclosed by us publicly. Do not believe unsigned messages. We will contact winner with decryption instructions. Winner can do with files as they please, we not release files to public. FAQ - --- Q: Why I want auction files, why send bitcoin? A: If you like free files (proof), you send bitcoin. If you want know your networks hacked, you send bitcoin. If you want hack networks as like equation group, you send bitcoin. If you want reverse, write many words, make big name for self, get many customers, you send bitcoin. If want to know what we take, you send bitcoin. Q: What is in auction files? A: Is secret. Equation Group not know what lost. We want Equation Group to bid so we keep secret. You bid against Equation Group, win and find out or bid pump price up, piss them off, everyone wins. Q: What if bid and no win, get bitcoins back? A: Sorry lose bidding war lose bitcoin and files. Lose Lose. Bid to win! But maybe not total loss. Instead to losers we give consolation prize. If our auction raises 1,000,000 (million) btc total, then we dump more Equation Group files, same quality, unencrypted, for free, to everyone. Q: When does auction end? A: Unknown. When we feel is time to end. Keep bidding until we announce winner. Q: Why I trust you? A: No trust, risk. You like reward, you take risk, maybe win, maybe not, no guarantees. There could be hack, steal, jail, dead, or war tomorrow. You worry more, protect self from other bidders, trolls, and haters. Closing Remarks - -------------------------------------------------- !!! Attention Wealthy Elites !!! We have final message for "Wealthy Elites". We know what is wealthy but what is Elites? Elites is making laws protect self and friends, lie and fuck other peoples. Elites is breaking laws, regular peoples go to jail, life ruin, family ruin, but not Elites. Elites is breaking laws, many peoples know Elites guilty, Elites call top friends at law enforcement and government agencies, offer bribes, make promise future handjobs, (but no blowjobs). Elites top friends announce, no law broken, no crime commit. Reporters (not call journalist) make living say write only nice things about Elites, convince dumb cattle, is just politics, everything is awesome, check out our ads and our prostitutes. Then Elites runs for president. Why run for president when already control country like dictatorship? What this have do with fun Cyber Weapons Auction? We want make sure Wealthy Elite recognizes the danger cyber weapons, this message, our auction, poses to their wealth and control. Let us spell out for Elites. Your wealth and control depends on electronic data. You see what "Equation Group" can do. You see what cryptolockers and stuxnet can do. You see free files we give for free. You see attacks on banks and SWIFT in news. Maybe there is Equation Group version of cryptolocker+stuxnet for banks and financial systems? If Equation Group lose control of cyber weapons, who else lose or find cyber weapons? If electronic data go bye bye where leave Wealthy Elites? Maybe with dumb cattle? "Do you feel in charge?" 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Re: [tor-talk] Tor Project Corporate Document FOI Request
by grarpamp 05 Mar '17

05 Mar '17

On 8/8/16, Ken Cline <cline(a)frii.com> wrote: > "various Licenses and Certificates held" A corporation can be issued, issue, and hold, various licences and certs, be they from or to, private or public entities, governments, or persons. Could be... vendor / reseller, awards, permission to bid / let [govt or other] contracts, provide services, etc. Use your imagination. TPI knows what it does or doesn't hold. And TPI can be transparent by listing them all proactively instead of requiring community go on phishing expedition for them by name. > "form blanks to be signed by new parties of all types" TPI has surely asked folks to fill out or sign, and been asked itself, regarding NDA's / [de]briefings, pre / during / post employment blanks, template blanket MOU's, etc. Use your imagination. TPI operates a corporate "office", a corporate office has form blanks for all sorts of uses. In particular when liasing with or initiating new parties of all types. As with the "new docs" someone posted for the future, folks are interested in seeing any similar docs applicable to the past. Only TPI knows what they were named. Those of employment and [process] acknowledgement are certainly higher than stupid petty cash and phone memo forms, come on now :) > [http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/corpweb/CorpSearch/CorpSearch.aspx] > "Articles Of Incorporation", "Charter", "Bylaws", and "Operating Agreement". > Except for Bylaws, these named documents do not exist. No, the state mandated Articles and Annuals exist there. NO!, the bylaws (another name for operating agreement), a highly relavant thing for transparency, do not seem to exist anywhere. Whatever other major structural and procedural docs may exist, who knows. Those are just some of the common names for them. Other people can add other names. Worth nothing is that whether or not any doc is [required to be] filed with government agencies, and whether or not it is publicly available from them once filed... is different from what TPI may choose to publish on its own for the community. > You will find their > Articles of Organization and Annual Reports, which contain relevant > information. Regardless, whatever is publicly available or FOIA-able on a government site should also be posted for transparency on TPI as well. > Others are on the Tor Web site itself: > ("List of Officeholders", "Executives", It's not necessarily clear, in a classically hierarchical org chart sort of way, who held all the various high titles and when. > "Voting Members" NO!, voting and election does not appear to be detailed at all anywhere. Only opaque references to "duly elected" and "adopted". And "member" often means certain things in corporate law as well. > Of course, there are no shareholders While "non-profit" (its own curiosity to be sure), may hold certain meaning and requirements in certain jurisdictions, the extension of that to concepts of founding / holding parties and redistribution, optionally to achieve "non-profit", may be different. Links to law refs on the topic could be useful for those that didn't already notice a reference to the possibility of that in the Articles (under powers). > precisely which people have voting power will be > detailed in the Articles of Organization or Bylaws. Pointless when the AOI says nothing there, and the bylaws aren't available. Nor can community be expected to wade through MA/US law to see if any particular "Officer" or "Director" is granted unwaivable voting rights under law. > Still others appear not yet available. Yes. > patience in obtaining the audited 2015 financials. If TPI's release of particular docs is governed by requirement of law, that's different. But if community can FOIA same from govt, there is no such requirement, and TPI should transparently publish. > "Meeting Minutes covering years 2010 ~ 2015" should be available. > I would contact the Tor Project directly (Executive Director's office, > maybe). No user, donor, or interested party should be pushed / required to go private fora like that. It's their right to ask in public, to do so by proxy person or tor etc, and to retain their motivations. And whatever TPI does with such requests is up to TPI. If it's transparent with servicable open fora, it's a non issue. It's also silly to be fielding multiple same requests when a single transparent proactive publication of same will serve everyone. Yes, minutes are very important for transparency. It's extremely unlikely the ED's office did not know, or was not informed, within no more than a few days of the request, probably more like a few hours. Certainly not a few weeks. > The issue you > filed in the tracking system was given medium priority, which seems proper Few could have problem with that. As before, only with lack of ack and general plan of reply. > your request It should not be considered mine, but a presentment of some community voices / ideas / tasks gone forgotten / unattended over time, into a more prominent and useful form. And with recent events pressing... journalists could easily be added to list of supporting and interested parties. Others are welcome to carry the request forward.

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Re: [WAR] A brief bit of Hillary history.
by Zenaan Harkness 22 Feb '17

22 Feb '17

My question was, is and shall continue to be, who of the various candidates in the upcoming USA elections, who might get elected to run the USA war machine, would be the least likely candidate to push Russia and or China and or the rest of the world into World War 3, when the economic crunch time for North America finally hits the fan. We know a massive global financial crash is coming, and in previous points of financial collapse, history shows us an almost certainty of a major war following. This bodes EXTREMELY PRECARIOUSLY for all of us on this little blue planet, and suggests that those who vote in the upcoming North American elections ought think carefully about the question above. Those who are onlookers might consider being in contact with anyone they know who will be involved/ voting in the upcoming USA elections, and discover their thoughts on this fundamental question - who is most and who is least likely to start World War 3. Also, look into the preference voting system (like we also have in Australia) if you will be voting, and figure out how your candidate's votes might be applied to other candidates, should your chosen candidate not receive enough votes to be elected. That, or choose your own preferences! Be informed, and let's do our bit towards avoiding World War 3 - if this issue of the potential for the next world war is not handled by us humans, we may just find that sometime in the next 4 years, that we are all faced with a reality where NO OTHER QUESTION EVEN MATTERS, and it's too late to argue or say sorry or I told you so or anything else so pathetic in the face of the lack of the action required to have stopped the problem in the first place. Good luck fellow humans, Zenaan ----- Forwarded message ----- Subject: FW: nothing has changed! they are all the same. http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2014-03-08/story/fact-check-was-h… ----- End forwarded message -----

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Global warming/climate change
by YoungerDryas 01 Feb '17

01 Feb '17

> Zenaan Harkness: > I see no one disputing climate change. Here is some clarification. Joe Rogan Experience #725 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDejwCGdUV8 Watch/listen to the whole thing but the first 15min should be enough context to drive further interest. A snip from Randall Carlson: "We're not really seeing the genesis of civilization, we're seeing the rebooting of civilization, in the aftermath of these [global warming and cooling] events." Joe Rogan Experience #606 - Randall Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ This one goes in depth more on climate and adjacent science. Jumping to 18 or 19 minutes should be enough context to drive further interest. Snips: "We're in the infancy of understanding the climate of this planet." "My concern is that we're going to get so focused on carbon change that we're not looking at any of these other factors." Joe Rogan Experience #501 - Randall Carlson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A For those who want to start at the beginning. Skip to 6min to avoid radio ads. All the Graham Hancock ones are wonderful as well, if anyone wants to dig in deepah. These guys are cpunks. #For those who avoid video: http://youtube-dl.org/ #Please God, water my plants with your teardrops.

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Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it's not all good news
by Zenaan Harkness 10 Dec '16

10 Dec '16

Thought someone posted a link like this back in the April thread - could not find that, so posting here. Increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide levels is a genuinely good thing. CO2 is making Earth greener—for now http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2436/co2-is-making-earth-greenerfor-now/ If you squint a bit and read a little too quickly, the caption on the image reads "This image shows the change in leaf across the globe from 1982-2015." which bodes really well for peace pipes around the world. And please, read carefully the last paragraph - even scientists know their "scientific models" are flawed and always "being improved" (aka, changing, since the previous iteration was wrong). At least some of them acknowledge this fact. CO2 fertilization greening the Earth http://phys.org/news/2016-04-co2-fertilization-greening-earth.html Global Warming Produced a Greener, More Fruitful Planet http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/global-warming-produced-greener… Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth' http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36130346 Rising carbon dioxide is greening the Earth - but it’s not all good news http://theconversation.com/rising-carbon-dioxide-is-greening-the-earth-but-…

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