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Fwd: <nettime> #jakegate explained ... by a Dummy
by Cecilia Tanaka 15 Oct '16

15 Oct '16

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Patrice Riemens" <patrice(a)xs4all.nl> Date: Oct 15, 2016 3:53 AM Subject: <nettime> #jakegate explained ... by a Dummy To: <nettime-l(a)kein.org> NB Two days ago, The Guardian newspaper published a long article about Jacob Appelbaum, the first text in mainstream media since the two pieces in Die Zeit Online (see refs below), and only the second publication I am aware of since the storm around 'Jake' abated somewhere in last Summer. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/jacob- appelbaum-tor-project-sexual-assault-allegations This post was largely written in Romania a few weeks ago, and hence is not informed by the article in The Guardian. It also looks at the whole affair from a different angle, less focused on the person(age) himself. #jakegate explained by ... a Dummy Well, since there are so many texts written for dummies, I thought it would be nice to have one ... written by one. And as you see, I carefully choose my subject ... The story going by the moniker #jakegate is, I assume largely known by nettime readers, but here's for an ultra-short ExecSum all the same: Jacob Appelbaum, aka ‘Jake’ is a prominent hacker-activist whose precipitous fall from grace and reputation has stunned the digerati scene. End May/begin of June this year (2016), organisations at the forefront of the battles for privacy and security like the TOR project, the CCC, Debian, and others, quite brutally scuttled him amidst accusation of (longstanding) sexual and social misbehaviour. But by now a backlash has also occurred as the same organisations stand accused of precipitate, non-transparent, and largely unfounded decision making - all this with 'Jake' himself largely disappearing from view. My reason for writing this piece is to try to understand - even if largely for my own sake – the circumstances and group processes that have been at work in creating this rather startling, though not totally unanticipated fracas. As a general disclaimer, I should reiterate that I am truly a dummy in this, in the sense that I am not an insider, even if I know a few ones. And all I do know stems from publicly available sources, of course supplemented by a few private talks – but don’t expect confidential information to be disclosed, since there was actually none. I do know Jake personally however, since 2003, and I have followed his activities ever since, be it from quite a distance. Also 'Jake' knows who I am and has always be very friendly to me, but we have always been distant acquaintances nonetheless. In short, my locus standi is situated at the 'core periphery' to the circles and activities Jake was or is related with - to use a swanky term Geert Lovink and I once made up. It may be needless to add and emphasize that ‘#jakegate’ is a very ‘complicated’ issue (as in Facebook), and that I tried to write about it, following Tacitus, ‘sine ira et studio’ ... I have structured this text in four sections (plus a concluding part): Jake’s persona(ge); his social circle, mostly in Berlin; the organisations he is (was) part of; and the the wider, bad world of surveillance and repression this constituency is facing and combating. These sections cannot, however, be strictly separated, they flow and must weave readily together towards the concluding remarks on the #jakegate backlash and beyond. On Jake’s persona(ge) It is self evident that Jake's character, as it appears to his social environment’s bystanders and to observers at large, provides a substantial, if by way insufficient, explanation of ‘#jakegate’. Even with some allowances, Jacob Appelbaum might be taken as exemplary for the phenomenon of a gifted, extrovert geek rising to prominence, not to say ‘rock star’ status, amidst the general hacker alternative, and mainstream, media hype. The by now fairly well documented mix of autism (-lite), mental (over)activity, sociopathy (-lite), maybe best captured by the German word ‘Drang’ - the ‘urge’ to do ‘something’ - can all be observed, and then in no small measure, with Jacob Appelbaum. Add precociousness and young age, and you have the potent combination which might largely – but again, not entirely – explain how 'Jake' ended up in the predicament that is now his. On Jake’s social environment and the groups he is/was in - in Berlin, mostly. Another tentative, partial explanation may be found in the nature and ongoings within the social circles 'Jake' has been moving in the past years in Berlin, that ‘poor but sexy’ capital which had overtaken Amsterdam as the place to be if you are young, worldly, engaged - and poor and sexy. From the early 2000's the city had become an international magnet to all sorts of creative people and voluntary organisations, eager to contribute to the “an other world is possible” idea. Berlin has obvious ‘locational’ advantages in terms of situation in the geographical and political centre of Europe and because of its convenience in terms of affordable housing, cheap food, and a dynamic cultural life (with a frothy night scene to boot). But it is also the political climate and constitutional set-up of Germany that had made Berlin a place of choice for ‘technological refugees’, mostly from the USA, and thanks to its thriving IT scene, also a hotbed of digital political activism. Yet at the same time it should be noted that these circles are not that large - in the low hundreds in terms of number of members – and that they are more close-knit and culturally, demographically, and socially homogeneous than is normally the case in the larger society. In short, young (20/30-ish), single, english speaking, sort of full time artists/activists in one way or another. Add to this the pressure of operating against, and hence enduring the special attention cum repression from the Surveillance Empire, which makes it easy to imagine a situation where one is living permanently at the edge, with all its accompanying features like red eye nights, sexual promiscuity, alcohol and substance (ab)use, and what have you. A perfect setting for a scenario whose script can easily veer into all kinds of, err, ‘configurations’ ... On the organisations Jake works or has worked for Following on the factual demise of parliamentary political parties, trade unions, and of the ‘quality’ press as avenues of criticism and influencing the governance process, the 'NGO-isation of advocacy and of politics at large has led to the rise of a large number of voluntary initiatives, whose common characteristics - for the majority of them - appears to be small in size, and to be run by far too few underpaid (or not paid at all) people chasing far too many issues at the same time. This often results in near-mandatory commitment to a 24/7 work schedule, with its concomitant risks of stress, burnout, wayward behaviour, etc. This is especially the case with those outfits focusing on the variegated and nefarious manifestations of the 'deep state' (see below), and then more particularly in the realm of surveillance and repression. It is clear that such organisations and their personnel are themselves 'targets', not to say fair game, for the aforementioned deep state's agencies and services, and this equally on a 24/7 footing. Another aspect is that such outfits, despite their small size, 'enjoy' an inordinately large, and usually sensationalist media coverage every time they manage to uncover yet another 'scandal', enhancing at the same time their popularity among some sections of the public (academics, activists, 'progressive' people). This all makes for a very heady atmosphere, difficult both to avoid and to resist. And this has been Jake's 'natural biotope' for quite a number of years past. Their good work in exposing states' misbehaviour, and even crimes notwithstanding, such organisations have their dark sides also. Their small size results in a very limited number of people, or even a single person (as in a SPO, Single Person Organisation) acting without very much of an oversight, if at all. To this. organisations involved in the more 'sensitive' aspects of politics add an extra, justifiable but nonetheless secretive, opaque layer to their activities. Which in turn often leads to a permanent state of paranoia, a tunnel vision due to over-focussing on the outfit's specific issues (at the expense of looking at the world at large - or at life itself), and generally a form of dogmatism in both their internal and their external functioning. It had also as reverse a clear tendency to delusion of grandeur, exaggerating the importance and the impact of both the group(s) and the issues at stake among the general public. And then, also the effects of cut-throat competition in the permanent hunt for funding and attention among such outfits should not be overlooked. Finally, both their rhetorics as they working practices are essentially not that far removed from the modus operandi of commercial (IT) start-ups, with whom they appear to share (almost) the same recruitment demographics: young, bright, dynamic, hip - and single. The unhappy conclusion is that such organisations are always at risk, in the end, to veer towards becoming ineffective at best, and morally bankrupt at worst. Looking, for instance, at the recent management and political decision-making processes at the TOR foundation triggered by '#jakegate' don't make one overly optimistic. On the wider (and bad) world of big government, big corporation, and their oppressive practices of surveillance and control. First, I think we need to realize that, in society at large, the number of people truly concerned, and actively engaging, with the above issue is incredibly tiny (and shockingly so, even if it is slowly growing). To most citizens, this is a 'far-from-my-bed-show', and one they feel utterly powerless about at the same time. Activists and their organisations sometimes achieve a big media breakthrough and subsequent, but ephemeral, hype (Wikileaks, Snowden), but most of the time, awareness, concern, and hence political consequences remain at a low level, which might in part explain why measures progressively regulating and restraining citizen's rights and liberties end up so smoothly in the statute books. But near-zero awareness is surely not what can be ascribed to the corporate intelligence contractors banding together with secretive government agencies, a complex best represented by the concept of 'deep state'(*). While the former 'partners' are primarily concerned with protecting and extending their business interests - which includes supporting, or at least not opposing, the most outlandish repressive measures by the state agencies when it suits them, the latter, on the other hand, will go in the end for outright elimination, physical if necessary, of their opponents and critics, be it individual or groups. These are the forces groups and organisations 'Jake' works(/ed) for are confronting - making them clear targets. How precisely and to what extent is difficult to ascertain - beyond at points of obvious contact, in the form of protracted harassment at border crossings for instance. This gives rise to speculations fast drifting into conspiracy theories - something that is not entirely to the displeasure of aforementioned agencies. I neither wish nor can say very much more about this, save than to presume that the situation is both pretty much calamitous and also not amenable to any (re)solution. Resistance may be the answer to what has probably become the essential constitutional issue of our times, but I am afraid not to see a positive outcome evolving unless it mutates into a real law and order problem for the powers that be. And this is in my view exactly the point where the above mentioned organisations and their associates, supporters, and techie-activists fail to enact the effective mix of political strategy, street-level tactics, and technological fixes, usually by prioritizing the last option at the expense of the two others. In conclusion As could be read, I have not at all addressed the question of Jacob Appelbaum's (very?) possible culpability in the matter of sexual harassment and uncivil/a-social behaviour - the mainstay of the #jakegate brouhaha. This is on purpose, since all evidence, as evinced in various interventions by equally various parties, point, to use Facebook's inimitable phrase, towards a 'it's complicated' verdict. Nonetheless, what I think is more important at this stage, also in view of the above mentioned evidence, or alleged lack thereof, is the conclusions the groups and organisations involved, as well as 'Jake' himself will draw for the future, and how his personal situation will evolve as a consequence. Now that he has been expelled from pretty much all the outfits he was associated with (Wikilekas appear to be an exception, for reasons that may - or may not - be easily guessed) the question is one of what 'Jake' is going to do next. For better or for worse, what has happened is beyond recall. With his 'rockstar' status clearly revoked - a good thing - I believe it is important for 'Jake' to start afresh and find sustainable footing in a much more modest and withdrawn role, something that is also the responsibility of his (former) 'Umfeld to make possible, or at the very least not to try to thwart it in a senseless pursuit of revenge. I am thinking of his pursuance of a Phd at Eindhoven Technical University, something that could constitute a perfect opportunity for retreat and 'reconfiguration'. To people who feel they have been to have been aggrieved by 'Jake' one way or another, and they might have good reasons to feel so, I would suggest that some 'truth and atonement' get together be organised, say in one year from now. In the end, whatever the way one wishes to describe those concerned by or involved in '#jakegate' in terms of a community (and that might also include some people in the nettime readership), then that 'we' must strive, immo, to overcome the conflict by learning its lessons ("no more rockstars" would be a good starter), and not repeat the same mistakes, neither at the individual, nor at the collective level. ------ (*) A good exposition is Mike Lofgren: Anatomy of the Deep State (2014) (http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state/) Patrice Riemens Amsterdam, October 7, 2016 NB (but see the other NB at the head of this post) I started writing this story in Transylvania, 3 weeks ago. I dropped it till now, but nothing appears to happened in between, just his (quite empty) home page at Eindhoven T.U seem to have moved a few ranks. In fact nothing (afaik) happened since the #jakegate blowup in May/June (Jake's last Tweet is dated June 6), save for a long interview in Die Zeit Digital mid-August: http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-08/jacob-appelbaum-rape- allegations-contradictions and http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-08/jacob-appelbaum-rape- sexual-abuse-allegations # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime(a)kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:

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Intercept's Micah Lee Tips Clinton On How To Maintain Corruption and Secrecy
by grarpamp 15 Oct '16

15 Oct '16

This is grand... https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/on-wikileaks-journalism-and-privacy-rep… g-on-the-podesta-archive-is-an-easy-call/ "The more public power someone has, the less privacy they are entitled to claim" -- Glenn Greenwald So then why are your editorial subordinates helping and kissing ass to these same power politicians, and stopping up the very flow of leaks they depend on as journalists? There's not a shred of new reporting in this, just pure boot licking.... https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/dear-clinton-team-we-noticed-you-might-… some-email-security-tips/ "So as a public service to Podesta and everyone else on Clinton's staff, here are some email security tips... (passwords, phishing, encryption, other apps / networks)." Stick to reporting, and leave the dirty non public service of consulting the political critters you report on... out of it.

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Re: Fwd: [unwanted offlist mail] Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article
by Cecilia Tanaka 15 Oct '16

15 Oct '16

Sorry, I've sent this message in private and forgot Razer likes only public messages. I will give a time and become a lurker again. No time and patience to waste with childish discussions. I apologize for the last threads, full of bullshit. Thank you for everything and, again, pardon for all the drama. Ceci On Oct 14, 2016 1:19 PM, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 14, 2016 12:53 PM, "Razer" <rayzer(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > Is there some part of "Fuck Off" you fail to comprehend troll? > > Stop disturbing the list, please. The real troll is being you, Razer. > > > Or are you simply looking for codependent sympathy from your next > stalking victims by posting that gibberish? > > Again: - You Need Psychiatric Treatment With Urgence, Razer. > > I swear I am not saying it to humiliate you. I do believe you are _not_ > acting in a normal way, Razer. See the weird things you are doing and > writing. It's fucking creepy, guy! :-/ > > Take care, dear. Be well, please. > > - c. >

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google is amazing
by juan 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

http://realmoney.thestreet.com/articles/10/11/2016/edtech-loopholes-lead-cr… "Parents of students across America have been assured -- by Alphabet (GOOGL) and school administrators -- that the carts of Google Chromebooks being wheeled into their children's classrooms" Wait, what? Oh yes. Google is a military contractor. A tax parasite. In this case a military contract selling equipment for the indoctrination concentration camps of the US government.

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Fwd: [unwanted offlist mail] Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article
by Razer 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Anyone wanna 'grab a digital pussy'? Some people like 'em nuts. I'm not interested. Rr -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 02:09:30 -0300 From: Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> I am really wasted, exhausted, breathing bad, but wanted to say *I do love you* before trying to sleep. Wish you lovely dreams and a restful sleep, my dear. I am not flirting with you, but I still think you are sexy. Completely crazy, stubborn, but charming, seem have a deliciously manly smell and a circumcised penis. Puuurrr... Meow! Would love to be in your lap now just to smell you... <3 Intelligence is always sexy and I love circumcised penis. It would very nice if you could be a pain in my ass, not in my neck. Nothing is more Latin than hot, wild sex after stupid discussions, hmm... Kisses and snugglehugs, sweetie. You are crazy, I am crazier... So life goes on, hihi... Fool! :)

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Rooty tooty xorcists r us: "101 Ways I Screwed Up Making a Fake Identity"
by Razer 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

101 Ways I Screwed Up Making a Fake Identity Posted on October 13, 2016 by hacks4pancakes As most of you know, my professional area of expertise in security is incident response, with an emphasis on system / malware forensics and OSINT. I’m fortunate enough in my position in the security education and con community to sometimes get pulled into other directions of blue teaming and the occasional traditional penetration testing. However, the rarest of those little fun excursions are into the physical pen testing and social engineering realm. In the breaking into buildings and pretending to be a printer tech realm, I’m merely a hobbyist.🙂 Therefore, it was a bit remarkable that in the course of developing some training, there was a request for me to create some fake online personas that would hold up against moderately security savvy users. I think most of us have created an online alter ego to some extent, but these needed to be pretty comprehensive to stand up to some scrutiny. Just making an email account wasn’t going to cut it. So Pancakes went on an adventure into Backstop land. And made a lot of amusing mistakes and learned quite a few things on the way. I’ll share some of them here, so the social engineers can have a giggle and offer suggestions in the comments, and the other hobbyists can learn from my mistakes. Yes, there are automated tools that will help you do this if you have to do it in bulk for work, but many of the problems still exist. (Please keep in mind that misrepresenting yourself on these services can cause your account to be suspended or banned, so if you’re doing more than academic security education or research, do cover your legal bases.) More: https://tisiphone.net/2016/10/13/101-ways-i-screwed-up-making-a-fake-identi…

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Re: Jake and Tor article
by Razer 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

On 10/13/2016 10:06 AM, Mirimir opined: > It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what > you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list. There is no such thing as "just a fucking email list". There IS such a thing as 'waste of bandwidth'. But I guess that depends on your perspective. Rr. > On 10/13/2016 10:42 AM, Razer wrote: >> >> >> On 10/13/2016 09:27 AM, Mirimir wrote: >>> On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote: >>>> Cc: cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the list, >>>> up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD >>>> REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every >>>> White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the >>>> Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh? >>>> >>>> That's a direct threat. >>> >>> Maybe chill some, bro? >> >> >> Should I have just done that without warning first? >> >> http://nambla.org/joinxb.pdf >> >> $50 bucks a year outside the US... Cheap. >> >> Rr > > It was just such a juvenile thing to say. And I don't even get what > you're upset about. It's just a fucking email list. > > >>>> On 10/12/2016 10:48 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: >>>>> On Oct 12, 2016 9:04 PM, "rooty" <arpspoof(a)protonmail.com >>>>> <mailto:arpspoof@protonmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> aff.... what is a Subversive Unicorn? Btw rr is NOT geOrgII for sure! >>>>>> >>>>>> aff....im not clicking the link >>>>> >>>>> Razer's unicorn is polite and uses the toilet seat. A subversive >>>>> unicorn doesn't care about it. You don't need to click the link to >>>>> imagine it. :) >>>>> >>>>> Yep, Rr (Razer) is _not_ Georgi. Did you discover it now? ;) >>>>> >>>> >>

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ACLU: Black Protesters and other activists stalked by "Geofeedia" on Twitter FB Instagram
by Razer 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

It *appears* Twitter thought they were a marketing geolocation company and immediately cut them off <https://twitter.com/policy/status/785861128589025281>. No word from FB or it's wholly pwnd subsidiary Instagram https://www.aclunc.org/blog/facebook-instagram-and-twitter-provided-data-ac… http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/technology/aclu-facebook-twitter-instagra… http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/aclu-exposes-facebook-twitter-fo…

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Fwd: Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article
by Cecilia Tanaka 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Razer, hysterical as always. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 14, 2016 12:45 AM Subject: Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article To: "Razer" <rayzer(a)riseup.net> On Oct 13, 2016 11:22 PM, "Razer" <rayzer(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > I haven't been "Hysterical" one day in my life. Well, your concept of "hysterical" is certainly different from mine, my dear Razer. Maybe a cultural difference. :-/ Hysterical, for me, means "marked by uncontrollable, extreme emotion" and when a person makes a public direct threat, I suppose this person is _not_ being calm and acting in a rational way. Here, in Brazil, it's considered hysterical, crazy, dramatical. Do you understand my point of view? :-/ > I haven't subscribed you to anything, I believe in you, Razer, but *you* gave the awesome idea in a public list, mentioning my name and giving those lovely sites and lists as examples. Should I thank you for it, my dear? > and you bring your own trolling on yourself which I SAID I WASN'T INTERESTED IN YOU DOING FOR ME TOO. > > That WAS the gist of my original post. Stop TROLLING my handle around for your bot buddies to find. Razer, you are a very intelligent man. You know it and I always admired your intelligence, your direct way of speaking about your own believes, your sincerity. So why the fuck you simply didn't ask me in private to avoid mention your name in my messages, explaining the reasons, instead making a creepy and dramatic public threat? The passional Nipo-Latin here is me, not you! My Jew boyfriend was very sweet, but extremely rational. Guy, you studied a lot for being fair and rational! Let the passion thing for me, a Latin girl, please! :P Man, that message was insane! I was in doubt if you were joking with me or really threating me in public. Please, be very *clear* in the next messages and avoid these bizarre misunderstandings! You always had the most complete freedom to say me everything you wanted in private or in public. You could simply say something like "Fuck you, Ceci! Stop talking to trolls!" or "Never say Razer in vain, because all the holy books (or whatever) say it's forbidden, a mortal sin!"... Shit, I love you. Why would I ignore your asking? You hurt me a lot just because you did want it. So, please, let me in peace. I need a time for healing. Kisses, my dear. Sleep well and have sweet dreams.

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Fwd: Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article
by Cecilia Tanaka 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Ok, tell the whole story at least. Who did contact me in private first? Do you want I send all the past messages too? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> Date: Oct 13, 2016 10:54 PM Subject: Re: It's for YOU! Fwd: Re: Jake and Tor article To: "Razer" <rayzer(a)riseup.net> My dear Razer, Being sincere, after your hysteric attack (aka "direct threat"), all the trolls and haters of the cypherpunks list love us both. And rooty is not a bot, it's just a creepy, retard teenager, provoking some persons for the lulz. Search better, hard headed. I already received some strange messages as courtesy of your lovely public suggestions. If you won't subscribe me on bizarre mailings, someone will do it pretending to be you. Should I thank you, my dear? Congratulations, you humiliated me in public and fucked my e-mail address... Are you happy now? Did you have orgasms knowing I would cry and feel broken hearted, betrayed, exposed? You got all the attentions today like an amazing rock star and exposed me and the private messages sent by Mirimir. You showed your true colors. You are not a trustful person and I am disappointed. I always admired you a lot, but now I will never trust in you again. I loved you, your messages, your humanity, your intelligence, everything. Now, please, forget my "fake existence" and never write to me again. You hurt me much more than imagine and simply don't care if I am well or not, you just want to prove me that you are right, that never are wrong. You wrote me in private just to hurt me again. More and more drama. Do you think it is normal? Maybe in USA, but here, in my country, it's pretty bizarre. We both need silence, taking a time for rest and thinking better. Too much noise, I am wasted and fucking sad. Look, I love you, Razer, but like happened with my last kitten, which I loved very much, our convivence is not possible. He pooped in my books, you pooped in my feelings. Take care and be happy, my love. When you are not being neurotic and kicking the wrong person, you are a lovely, very dear guy. Kisses and hugs from Brazil. - c. PS: - Do you know why I never had children alone? Love. Fear for them... "You fasten all the triggers For the others to fire Then you set back and watch When the death count gets higher You hide in your mansion' As young people's blood Flows out of their bodies And is buried in the mud. You've thrown the worst fear That can ever be hurled Fear to bring children Into the world For threatening my baby Unborn and unnamed You ain't worth the blood That runs in your veins." ('Masters of War' - Bob Dylan) On Oct 13, 2016 9:55 PM, "Razer" <rayzer(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Here... Talk to the bot... It liiiiikes you. > > afff... afff... > > Rr > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Jake and Tor article > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:19:07 -0400 > From: rooty <arpspoof(a)protonmail.com> > Reply-To: rooty <arpspoof(a)protonmail.com> > To: cpunks <cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org> > > > > thank you me me and sea sea - rr is leaking oil badly the trick below > has been dead for years and just doesnt work - > > . > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: Jake and Tor article > > Local Time: October 13, 2016 9:27 AM > > UTC Time: October 13, 2016 4:27 PM > > From: mirimir(a)riseup.net > > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > > > > On 10/13/2016 08:42 AM, Razer wrote: > > > Cc: cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com > > > > > > I'll tell ya what Cecilia. If you don't stop setting me, and the list, > > > up for spam by using the spammer's handle and my handle FOR NO GOOD > > > REASON in the same emails ... I'm gonna start subscribing you to every > > > White Supremacist newsletter I can find. Then I'll start working on the > > > Misogynist Sites. Then... Nambla. Maybe you like little boys eh? > > > > > > That's a direct threat. > > > > Maybe chill some, bro? > > > > > >

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