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OT: Is the US worthy of International Respect anymore?
by grarpamp 30 Nov '15

30 Nov '15

Just curious... And completely OT to whatever degree it matters... Do not feel obligated to reply, even within the bound of crypto[politics].

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West declares war on international resistance
by Zenaan Harkness 30 Nov '15

30 Nov '15

Quixote redux. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/29/uri-avnery-the-reign-of-absurdiocy/ :)

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Re: cryptome-nov2015
by John Young 29 Nov '15

29 Nov '15

Cryptome disavows mirrors of its archive, all of them, due to ease and evidence of tampering with files, hashes, signatures and insertion of implants by the host, platform, route, service or all. The archives should prominently display this disavowal and name the archive "Cryptome-Disavows-This-Corrupt-Archive." At 05:10 PM 11/28/2015, you wrote: >cryptome-nov2015.tar.bz 76GByte Nov 28 05:58 sha256 >22572573c0538e09bf554f475f3113fbbd33920e2bf6691f65450ea8e2333edb > >[ seeding... plz wait... ] > >Content-Type: image/png; name="cryptome-nov2015.png" >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cryptome-nov2015.png" >X-Attachment-Id: f_ihjnir3o0

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Re: [resend] France - sadly not a friend of principle or truth
by Michael Best 28 Nov '15

28 Nov '15

> > making table conversation out of one's sexual preferences is a uniquely > 'Merican phenome. And Ray knows, because he's surveyed ALL THE COUNTRIES. No, not just all the countries ALL THE CULTURES. No, not just all the cultures. ALL THE TRIBES. No, no... silly me. ALL THE PEOPLE. That's it. Ray has spoken to and speaks for all the people. That's why he can so safely make categorical statements about human society on a global level. Oh, wait. None of that's true. And the rest of Ray's email makes twice as many good points as he did in that statement! ;-) LOLing @ the ignorance and hate, and @ Ray's complaining of people only talking about LGBT affairs when they have "AGENDAS", and "AGENDAS" are apparently bad, but Ray doesn't have any "AGENDAS". Good job blowing the cover on that CIA op, Ray. We spent a lot of time and money on that, backstopping their IDs and producing plenty of pocket litter. We should've known you'd use a translated statement of "they weren't regulars" to prove it was a black ops CIA team. We thought we were so clever being revolutionaries in Russia and using hammers to demolish stuff as part of PROJECT SICKLE. Damn and double damn, and also other Shatnerian rants <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcC1f1jqCPI>. Don't worry though, Ray - I'll put in a good word for you at the GCI (Gay Central Intelligence) and the BSA (Bisexual Security Agency). I don't have any real contacts at NALO (North Atlantic Lesbian Organization) intelligence though, so you're SOL (Sodomized Out of Luck) there. But remember, when in doubt, turn to Kevin Smith and Malcolm's immortal words on the sins of homosexuality and the pure love that is the Westboro Baptist Church of Hateology <https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/u2l31/how_kevin_smith_protests_the_…> . --Mike Best, Pervert Extraordinary <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMCQvLMfLHQ> and Plenipotentiary On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:11 PM, <cypherpunks-request(a)cpunks.org> wrote: > Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to > cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cypherpunks-request(a)cpunks.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cypherpunks-owner(a)cpunks.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: France - sadly not a friend of principle or truth (Rayzer) > 2. Re: [resend] France - sadly not a friend of principle or > truth (Rayzer) > 3. Re: [resend] France - sadly not a friend of principle or > truth (juan) > 4. cryptome-nov2015 (coderman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:22:10 -0800 > From: Rayzer <Rayzer(a)riseup.net> > To: cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org > Subject: Re: France - sadly not a friend of principle or truth > Message-ID: <5659F0D2.8080508(a)riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-encrypted > Size: 11 bytes > Desc: PGP/MIME version identification > URL: < > http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20151128/dbbbfc7c/attac… > > >

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Fwd: Re: France - sadly not a friend of principle or truth
by Endless 28 Nov '15

28 Nov '15

>> >> Again I say, Russian president Putin is close to the only true >> statesmen on the world stage today. >> >> > Zenaan, *there is no country except Russia that is a friend to the Truth*. > Not only France. And i say so not because i am russian at all, believe me. > Even the Chinese/Indian/Belorussian/Argentinian... who declare (sometimes) > some speeches that are friendly to Russia/to the Truth - are no more than > hypocritical dogs. Because when there is some kind of pressure/exam... you > NEVER see them. > > For example, look now with the destroyed jet/look with the "Ukraine case" - > was there any truly *unambiguous* and *consistent* country FOR the Truth?! > > Money/other benefits is everybody's only interest. No moral values. No > standing for the Truth. > Except Putin > Confusing the absolute "truth" with "moral values" would indeed pose a tricky dilemma in the situation of Vladimir Putin. If you consider Putin to be unilaterally upholding the truth whilst at the same time upholding moral values, such a position would be rapidly contradicted when comparing Putin's attitude towards the right of LGBT people to exist to that of the West, considering of course that by "moral values", Putin indeed upholds basic human rights. Indeed, the torture and killings perpetrated by Putin's lower levels of government and covered from up high, a fact of life that comes with having been a member of the soviet union, must definitely reflect upon Putin's willingness to publicize the truth, whether it would be in his country's (capitalist) interest. Furthermore, Putin's involvement against ISIS (or Daesh, for those who prefer it) is but another part of Putin's manipulation for influence in the middle east, tying in with involvement in Ukraine, games with NATO and economic sanctions placed against Russia by the western world. I strongly doubt that Putin's actions are not motivated by money and the so-called "benefits" that come with setting up a slew of back room agreements between countries. Instead, agreements promoting corruption and the oppression of free speech are mainly set up with non-western countries, reducing the ability for western media to catch a hold of them and call Putin out, a result of the more secretive systems of government that tend to exist in the East. >> >> It is so sad to me that most of the Western world today is, evidently, so >> utterly compromised >> Although the problem of political corruption and the utter inability of any political party to avoid completely sacrificing any hope of measly integrity is primarily associated with the West, Eastern governments are not exempt. It is not that such problems are isolated to a particular section of the world, but instead cover the globe itself. >> >> I can only hope that future Russian presidents sustain such a level of >> integrity and >> commitment to national interests and his/her own people, as he does. >> > Me too, my friend. And it is very important to understand, that Putin is > not committed ONLY to the Russian's national interests, *but to the > interests of all the **(sane) people of the whole world.* Oh yes, considering that the citizens of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea are not Putin's own people. Given Putin's partial invasion of Georgia and the Ukraine, it would be ludicrous to believe that he is acting in the interests of the Georgian and Ukrainian people. Russia's actions, although in his eyes quite likely reflect an act of protection by Russia, are solely motivated by economic or military reasoning, furthering Russia's troublesome influence in an already unstable region. It must be kept in mind that although Russia may have a tendency to cut through the grime that obscures Western policy making, Russia (and thereby Vladimir Putin) is not exempt from the corruption evident in today's world by cause of modern capitalist and nationalistic sentiment. I truly hope that the belief that Putin is an "unambiguous and consistent friend to the truth" is but pure satire, intended to spark a lively debate. All the best, Endless

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cryptome-nov2015
by coderman 28 Nov '15

28 Nov '15

cryptome-nov2015.tar.bz 76GByte Nov 28 05:58 sha256 22572573c0538e09bf554f475f3113fbbd33920e2bf6691f65450ea8e2333edb [ seeding... plz wait... ]

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Re: The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
by Ryan Carboni 28 Nov '15

28 Nov '15

Yeah, I saw someone like that on television once. He gave an interview about how he ordered someone's murder, can you believe that? He got to his position by promising a bunch of lies. He exclaimed, "We got him," when he first heard that the guy was executed by his henchmen. After he saw the photo of the dead man, his only thoughts were, "He's dead." ... ... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-on-news-of-bin-laden-death-we-got-him/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-on-decision-to-bury-osama-bin-laden-at-se…

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Re: France - sadly not a friend of principle or truth
by Endless 28 Nov '15

28 Nov '15

>> >> Again I say, Russian president Putin is close to the only true >> statesmen on the world stage today. >> >> > Zenaan, *there is no country except Russia that is a friend to the Truth*. > Not only France. And i say so not because i am russian at all, believe me. > Even the Chinese/Indian/Belorussian/Argentinian... who declare (sometimes) > some speeches that are friendly to Russia/to the Truth - are no more than > hypocritical dogs. Because when there is some kind of pressure/exam... you > NEVER see them. > > For example, look now with the destroyed jet/look with the "Ukraine case" - > was there any truly *unambiguous* and *consistent* country FOR the Truth?! > > Money/other benefits is everybody's only interest. No moral values. No > standing for the Truth. > Except Putin > Confusing the absolute "truth" with "moral values" would indeed pose a tricky dilemma in the situation of Vladimir Putin. If you consider Putin to be unilaterally upholding the truth whilst at the same time upholding moral values, such a position would be rapidly contradicted when comparing Putin's attitude towards the right of LGBT people to exist to that of the West, considering of course that by "moral values", Putin indeed upholds basic human rights. Indeed, the torture and killings perpetrated by Putin's lower levels of government and covered from up high, a fact of life that comes with having been a member of the soviet union, must definitely reflect upon Putin's willingness to publicize the truth, whether it would be in his country's (capitalist) interest. Furthermore, Putin's involvement against ISIS (or Daesh, for those who prefer it) is but another part of Putin's manipulation for influence in the middle east, tying in with involvement in Ukraine, games with NATO and economic sanctions placed against Russia by the western world. I strongly doubt that Putin's actions are not motivated by money and the so-called "benefits" that come with setting up a slew of back room agreements between countries. Instead, agreements promoting corruption and the oppression of free speech are mainly set up with non-western countries, reducing the ability for western media to catch a hold of them and call Putin out, a result of the more secretive systems of government that tend to exist in the East. >> >> It is so sad to me that most of the Western world today is, evidently, so >> utterly compromised >> Although the problem of political corruption and the utter inability of any political party to avoid completely sacrificing any hope of measly integrity is primarily associated with the West, Eastern governments are not exempt. It is not that such problems are isolated to a particular section of the world, but instead cover the globe itself. >> >> I can only hope that future Russian presidents sustain such a level of >> integrity and >> commitment to national interests and his/her own people, as he does. >> > Me too, my friend. And it is very important to understand, that Putin is > not committed ONLY to the Russian's national interests, *but to the > interests of all the **(sane) people of the whole world.* Oh yes, considering that the citizens of South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea are not Putin's own people. Given Putin's partial invasion of Georgia and the Ukraine, it would be ludicrous to believe that he is acting in the interests of the Georgian and Ukrainian people. Russia's actions, although in his eyes quite likely reflect an act of protection by Russia, are solely motivated by economic or military reasoning, furthering Russia's troublesome influence in an already unstable region. It must be kept in mind that although Russia may have a tendency to cut through the grime that obscures Western policy making, Russia (and thereby Vladimir Putin) is not exempt from the corruption evident in today's world by cause of modern capitalist and nationalistic sentiment. I truly hope that the belief that Putin is an "unambiguous and consistent friend to the truth" is but pure satire, intended to spark a lively debate. All the best, Endless

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The Gentleman's Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)
by stef 27 Nov '15

27 Nov '15

for those who have not seen this and those who are unaware of the things going on here: http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5 -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt

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Fwd: General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years
by Zenaan Harkness 27 Nov '15

27 Nov '15

I recommend General Wesley Clark for those who have not seen it (was new to me). Lays out American government's plans shortly after 9/11, to take down seven countries' governments; similar to Brzezinski's book of predictions similarly a year or so prior (see below). General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years (Although I paste the transcript here, I find this interview quite enjoyable to watch, and it's only 8MB, although the video does not include the last couple sentences from the transcript, and the video does add separate little section of its own, again General Wesley; enjoy.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw "General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail." So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" -- meaning the Secretary of Defense's office -- "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!" " (Looking at youtube, there appears quite a few talks by General Wesley Clark.) New Edition of Brzezinski's Book Spotlights US Strategy in Eurasia http://russia-insider.com/en/americas-hegemony-and-europes-place-chessboard… Also breaking news: Turkey Intel Chief: Putin's Intervention in Syria Is Against Islam, ISIS Is a Reality That We Accept http://russia-insider.com/en/turkish-intelligence-chief-putins-intervention… (This from October - last month.) “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” - Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

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