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Georgi Guninski

30 Apr 2015 30 Apr '15

2:39 p.m.

How are the Baltimore riots going? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Razer

30 Apr 30 Apr

5:04 p.m.

On 04/30/2015 07:39 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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"The Baltimore police have murdered 109 people since 2010, and have paid out more than $6 million in police brutality settlements since 2011. Now they want us to believe that ‪#‎FreddieGray‬ broke his own neck??! How stupid do the Baltimore City Police think we are??!" (src, Brave New Films @Farcebook https://www.facebook.com/bravenewfilms/posts/10152732560177016) Here's how the legal end is going... The Baltimore police say they will NOT issue a report Friday as planned http://www.trust.org/item/20150429204111-met7y/ regarding the death-in-detention of Freddie Gray: The report will be turned over to a prosecutor, even as they leak 'evidence' Gray 'beat himself to death' Snap analysis of what this means: Baltimore’s District Attorney, like ALL court prosecutorial staff, works for the police. The prosecutor gets to pick and choose what evidence a Freddie Gray Grand Jury might hear, and you can be SURE the evidence will not show the victim to be non-culpable for his own death. Further, according to US Department of Just-Us “guidelines’ http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/104858503374 “/Law enforcement actions based on fear, panic, misperception or even poor judgement do not constitute wilful conduct prosecutable under the statute/.”. Proof of malicious intent to kill is required for a police officer’s murder conviction in the United States, and since no one but police officers know… Right now, the Baltimore Police department has ‘indirectly provided evidence http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/29/police_van_passenger_says_...’ that Freddie Gray beat himself to death banging his body against the inside if the police van he was imprisoned in. Really? The bottom line is this… If the public demands a murder charge in the killing of Freddie Gray, or the prosecutor hypocritically charges the officer/(s)/ with murder, the officer/(s)/ WILL be acquitted. Expect no justice for Freddie Gray and you won’t be disappointed. Cribbed from my Tumblr http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/117775814059 My Freddie Gray tags http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/search/Freddie+Gray I DO want to point out someone's response http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/117722043579 to white folks who say shit like “we don’t burn down our neighborhoods when we get angry,”, b/c American Narcissistic Myopia:

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“For all those white folks who say shit like “we don’t burn down our neighborhoods when we get angry,” this is true… We burn other people’s, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Panama, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, etc/(and for that matter, plenty of black and brown neighborhoods in THIS country–check the history of white-on-black race riots before engaging your uninformed, uneducated but always running mouths next time…)/ You’re welcome for the clarification…”

What the author, anti-racism author and essayist Tim Wise who wrote that says afterwards about what needs to be done to cause any change whatsoever in US policing gets a "+1" from me.

Georgi Guninski

1 May 1 May

1:35 p.m.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:04:48AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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prosecutor, even as they leak 'evidence' Gray 'beat himself to death'

I don't believe this. As the police joke says: "The arrested committed suicide, shooting himself in the head three times in the same place".

Razer

8:52 p.m.

On 05/01/2015 06:35 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:04:48AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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prosecutor, even as they leak 'evidence' Gray 'beat himself to death'

I don't believe this.

As the police joke says: "The arrested committed suicide, shooting himself in the head three times in the same place".

I was raided once in a ground floor apartment with a street window by cops who, when the ones at the door said "Let us in!", the cops in the window said "Come in!" and down went the door. Let me know when you find out police officers are typically corrupt thugs.

Griffin Boyce

12:57 a.m.

Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Aloha from Baltimore, The protests have been peaceful of late, and actually fairly peaceful overall. The police, however, have not been. Despite claiming to be basically terrified of black people congregating in large groups, Baltimore cops killed another unarmed man two days ago. Earlier this week, I got trapped in DC overnight due to the curfew, and last night my boyfriend got trapped at my place despite living a block away. I've got video of a hundred or so soldiers marching through the streets near the train station as the curfew takes effect (out of hundreds that did so). Last night, my kid sister had to come home at 10:10 and it was the first time that I've been worried about her safety since she's lived with me. Because she's a minor, the curfew means that she's not even legally allowed outside for any reason without me present [0]. Not to go to a friend's house, or to grab a cup of coffee, or to volunteer. Because I'm her guardian, I of course have given her permission to do all of those things because Fuck That Noise [1]. But we're also about to make our exit because living under helicopter noise with cops driving around in vehicles that have gun turrets on them is not great for the psyche, and no kid should have to live in that environment. ~Griffin [0] kids these days with their skinny jeans and their police state [1] one of the many benefits of having a weird-hair hacker for a parent -- “Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.” ― Dr. Seuss

Georgi Guninski

10:02 a.m.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 08:57:59PM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Aloha from Baltimore,

The protests have been peaceful of late, and actually fairly peaceful overall. The police, however, have not been. Despite claiming to be basically terrified of black people congregating in

Did the riots caused (much) damage to citizens not affiliated with the government? I would expect all sufficiently large riots to cause some collateral damage. -- georgi

Y G

4:38 p.m.

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On 04/30/2015 08:57 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Aloha from Baltimore,

Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front? I heard a bunch of things about the Baltimore PD being sure to keep track of livestreams and I think also checking Twitter photos? So maybe someone running their own StatusNet or Pump.io or something, so that the Baltimore PD aren't at least getting the data firehosed from the source? (Of course, that would require getting the message out to everyone to switch...)

Georgi Guninski

5:02 p.m.

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On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 12:38:57PM -0400, Y G wrote:

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On 04/30/2015 08:57 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Mandatory curfew effective April 28 – May 5 from 10pm-5am

Aloha from Baltimore,

Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front?

Maybe doxing the baltimore police will shed some light on the murder of Freddie Gray.

Y G

7:14 p.m.

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On 05/01/2015 01:02 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 12:38:57PM -0400, Y G wrote:

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On 04/30/2015 08:57 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Mandatory curfew effective April 28 – May 5 from 10pm-5am

Aloha from Baltimore,

Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front?

Maybe doxing the baltimore police will shed some light on the murder of Freddie Gray.

Are the cops responsible for it not the ones being charged? If they are, CNN has the doxx. ( http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-gray-police-charges/index.html ) ("Responsible" here means "directly responsible", as opposed to "responsible by virtue of participating and encouraging the abusive and violent police culture") I personally am against Doxxing -- in general, I'm only okay with it when there has been a public demand for the identity of a public official, which has been refused. Because then they're the ones potentially putting innocent people in danger. There were clearly other options. (Depending on the circumstances, "against" could mean anything from "actively yelling at people doing it" to "just staying out of spreading it, and telling other people to too".)

Mirimir

8:26 p.m.

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On 05/01/2015 10:38 AM, Y G wrote:

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On 04/30/2015 08:57 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Georgi Guninski wrote:

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How are the Baltimore riots going?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Baltimore_riots

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Mandatory curfew effective April 28 – May 5 from 10pm-5am

Aloha from Baltimore,

Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front?

OPSEC training!

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I heard a bunch of things about the Baltimore PD being sure to keep track of livestreams and I think also checking Twitter photos?

Yes, and using Stingray. Protesters, or at least key organizers, need to be running apps to detect and block IMSI catchers. And everyone not using them needs to put their phones in Faraday bags. So they also need to know how to make Faraday bags from aluminum foil and duct tape.

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So maybe someone running their own StatusNet or Pump.io or something, so that the Baltimore PD aren't at least getting the data firehosed from the source? (Of course, that would require getting the message out to everyone to switch...)

Yes.

Douglas Lucas

2 May 2 May

9:40 a.m.

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On 05/01/2015 03:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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Protesters, or at least key organizers, need to be running apps to detect and block IMSI catchers. And everyone not using them needs to put their phones in Faraday bags. So they also need to know how to make Faraday bags from aluminum foil and duct tape.

Good links to walkthroughs on both these would be greatly appreciated. I was at Freddie Gray et al./May Day protest tonight (Friday; see tweets https://twitter.com/douglaslucas/with_replies). There was one point, a key intersection we were marching through halfway into the march, where cell reception inexplicably dropped for a few minutes. There was also, early on, someone in an Austin Police Department hat taking pictures/video from the balcony of a firefighter's station, suggesting that the cops were clued in, which would make sense given the organizing happening on facebook etc., which of course sounds like horrors to crypto snobs but in terms of mobilizing large populations is the only current, repeatedly practiced answer and an effective, if dangerous, one.

Mirimir

3 May 3 May

12:21 a.m.

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On 05/02/2015 03:40 AM, Douglas Lucas wrote:

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On 05/01/2015 03:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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Protesters, or at least key organizers, need to be running apps to detect and block IMSI catchers. And everyone not using them needs to put their phones in Faraday bags. So they also need to know how to make Faraday bags from aluminum foil and duct tape.

Good links to walkthroughs on both these would be greatly appreciated.

I don't use smartphones, and so don't know what works best. Searching on "detect IMSI catcher" yields hits for Android, but I see no apps for iOS. AIMSICD looks like a good app. Maybe someone who knows this stuff well can recommend one. For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks. The hardest aspect is getting good electrical contact on all seams, including the access flap. The maximum dimension of any hole in the bag must be small, less than an inch. A gap at the seam that's an inch long, even if it's very narrow, will leak a lot. The other thing to keep in mind is that aluminum foil gets brittle with bending, and will crack. So you need multiple layers, and the layers must be in electrical contact. Narrow strips of double-stick tape between layers are OK to provide structural stability. But it's a trade-off.

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I was at Freddie Gray et al./May Day protest tonight (Friday; see tweets https://twitter.com/douglaslucas/with_replies). There was one point, a key intersection we were marching through halfway into the march, where cell reception inexplicably dropped for a few minutes. There was also, early on, someone in an Austin Police Department hat taking pictures/video from the balcony of a firefighter's station, suggesting that the cops were clued in, which would make sense given the organizing happening on facebook etc., which of course sounds like horrors to crypto snobs but in terms of mobilizing large populations is the only current, repeatedly practiced answer and an effective, if dangerous, one.

Georgi Guninski

5:20 p.m.

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On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 06:21:16PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

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For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

I am noob at smartphones, but isn't this very close to functionally equivalent to just physically remove the battery from the phone? At what distance is phone with removed battery detectable? Well, if someone implanted "backup battery" this fails, but the implanted battery must be sufficiently small to not see it.

Mirimir

6:45 p.m.

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On 05/03/2015 11:20 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 06:21:16PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

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For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

I am noob at smartphones, but isn't this very close to functionally equivalent to just physically remove the battery from the phone?

At what distance is phone with removed battery detectable?

Well, if someone implanted "backup battery" this fails, but the implanted battery must be sufficiently small to not see it.

I don't know enough about smartphones to say. The effectiveness of removing the battery may vary among devices. Snowden told people visiting him in Hong Kong to put their phones in the refrigerator, which is a Faraday cage. Also, using a bag is arguably less hassle than removing the battery.

Cathal Garvey

7:05 p.m.

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The downside of using a faraday cage with an activated phone: The phone will start "screaming" looking for a tower, and you'll get much reduced battery life. Turning phone off first and *then* putting it in the bag saves battery and prevents any suspected "backup battery" driven chips from getting a signal out..although if that's your threat-model, they could just record whatever telemetry they need and send later. i.e., if a phone is suspected to be compromised and could turn on the core or auxiliary chips (with main or backup battery), and activate the microphone or camera, the faraday cage bag will prevent it from sending that data right away but it could be instructed to store that data instead and send it back later. Personally I think removing the battery is sufficient for most phone models; the backup batteries are unlikely to be enough to drive the more concerning chips and sensors for long even if they're wired up to it in the first place. On 03/05/15 19:45, Mirimir wrote:

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On 05/03/2015 11:20 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 06:21:16PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

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For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

I am noob at smartphones, but isn't this very close to functionally equivalent to just physically remove the battery from the phone?

At what distance is phone with removed battery detectable?

Well, if someone implanted "backup battery" this fails, but the implanted battery must be sufficiently small to not see it.

I don't know enough about smartphones to say. The effectiveness of removing the battery may vary among devices. Snowden told people visiting him in Hong Kong to put their phones in the refrigerator, which is a Faraday cage. Also, using a bag is arguably less hassle than removing the battery.

-- Scientific Director, IndieBio Irish Programme Now running in Cork, Ireland May->July Learn more at http://eu.indie.bio and follow along! Twitter: @onetruecathal Phone: +353876363185 miniLock: JjmYYngs7akLZUjkvFkuYdsZ3PyPHSZRBKNm6qTYKZfAM peerio.com: cathalgarvey

jim bell

8:51 p.m.

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On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 06:21:16PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:

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For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

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I am noob at smartphones, but isn't this very close to functionally equivalent to just physically remove the battery from the phone? At what distance is phone with removed battery detectable? Well, if someone implanted "backup battery" this fails, but the implanted battery must be sufficiently small to not see it.>I don't know enough about smartphones to say. The effectiveness of removing the battery may vary among devices. Snowden told people visiting him in Hong Kong to put their phones in the refrigerator, which is a Faraday cage. Also, using a bag is arguably less hassle than removing the battery. For an RF-shield, I think that using a microwave oven would be much superior to a refrigerator. By definition, a microwave oven is designed to contain a huge (1 kilowatt) emission of 2.45 GHz signal (close to those of cell phone frequencies, some are 1700-1900 MHz), so that humans can live with reasonable safety a foot or so away from it. This implies a shielding of around 60 decibels.I'd keep a container of water inside the microwave cavity to absorb emitted microwave-band signals. (And, of course, you should detach the power-cord of the microwave, to avoid accidently frying your valuable electronics.)As for smartphones, my understanding is that most of them don't have detachable batteries. They do, however, have "airplane-mode" function, where (presumably) they are set to not emit any signals in any band. That doesn't mean they couldn't hear, or record, audio, or detect RF signals, for recording and later transmission. Jim Bell N7IJS Proudly standing as the LAST "Tech-Plus" Ham (Amateur Radio Operator) in the World.

rysiek

4 May 4 May

7:41 a.m.

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Dnia niedziela, 3 maja 2015 20:51:02 jim bell pisze:

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They do, however, have "airplane-mode" function, where (presumably) they are set to not emit any signals in any band. That doesn't mean they couldn't hear, or record, audio, or detect RF signals, for recording and later transmission.

That doesn't even mean they can't transmit and receive. They just *claim* they can't. If your threat model contains "NSA controlling my phone" threat, airplane mode is not a real option. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Jason McVetta

5 May 5 May

12:36 a.m.

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On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:41 AM, rysiek wrote:

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That doesn't even mean they can't transmit and receive. They just *claim* they can't. *If your threat model contains "NSA controlling my phone" threat*, airplane mode is not a real option.

Maybe better to say the "attacker controlling my phone" threat. Doesn't have to be NSA (or any other TLA) - no reason mobsters, script kiddies, political opponents, personal enemies, and other non-state attackers couldn't pull the same trick.

Georgi Guninski

11:58 a.m.

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On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 08:51:02PM +0000, jim bell wrote:

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removing the battery may vary among devices. Snowden told people visiting him in Hong Kong to put their phones in the refrigerator, which is a Faraday cage. Also, using a bag is arguably less hassle than removing the battery. For an RF-shield, I think that using a microwave oven would be much superior to a refrigerator. By definition, a microwave oven is designed to contain a huge (1 kilowatt) emission of 2.45 GHz signal (close to those of cell phone frequencies, some are 1700-1900 MHz), so that humans can live with reasonable safety a foot or so away from it. This implies a shielding of around 60 decibels.I'd keep a container of water inside the microwave cavity to absorb emitted microwave-band signals. (And, of course, you should detach the power-cord of the microwave, to avoid accidently frying your valuable electronics.)As for smartphones, my understanding is that most of them don't have detachable batteries. They do, however, have "airplane-mode" function, where (presumably) they are set to not emit any signals in any band. That doesn't mean they couldn't hear, or record, audio, or detect RF signals, for recording and later transmission. Jim Bell N7IJS Proudly standing as the LAST "Tech-Plus" Ham (Amateur Radio Operator) in the World.

For maximum safety: ;) 1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

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Cathal (Phone)

12:39 p.m.

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OR: Put phone in microwave and set it for a slow-roast program. The interference will prevent harmful spy-rays from reaching the phone. Bonus, you can fast-charge Apple devices using the Microwave thanks to #AppleWave! On 5 May 2015 12:58:02 GMT+01:00, Georgi Guninski wrote:

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removing the battery may vary among devices. Snowden told people visiting him in Hong Kong to put their phones in the refrigerator, which is a Faraday cage. Also, using a bag is arguably less hassle than removing the battery. For an RF-shield, I think that using a microwave oven would be much superior to a refrigerator. By definition, a microwave oven is designed to contain a huge (1 kilowatt) emission of 2.45 GHz signal (close to those of cell phone frequencies, some are 1700-1900 MHz), so

On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 08:51:02PM +0000, jim bell wrote: that humans can live with reasonable safety a foot or so away from it. This implies a shielding of around 60 decibels.I'd keep a container of water inside the microwave cavity to absorb emitted microwave-band signals. (And, of course, you should detach the power-cord of the microwave, to avoid accidently frying your valuable electronics.)As for smartphones, my understanding is that most of them don't have detachable batteries. They do, however, have "airplane-mode" function, where (presumably) they are set to not emit any signals in any band. That doesn't mean they couldn't hear, or record, audio, or detect RF signals, for recording and later transmission.

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Jim Bell N7IJS Proudly standing as the LAST "Tech-Plus" Ham (Amateur Radio Operator) in the World.

For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

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-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Griffin Boyce

2:38 p.m.

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Cathal (Phone) wrote:

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OR: Put phone in microwave and set it for a slow-roast program. The interference will prevent harmful spy-rays from reaching the phone.

Bonus, you can fast-charge Apple devices using the Microwave thanks to #AppleWave!

I find that putting my tinfoil hats in the microwave on high for five minutes really restores their luster. ;P

Georgi Guninski

4:38 p.m.

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On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 10:38:57AM -0400, Griffin Boyce wrote:

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Cathal (Phone) wrote:

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OR: Put phone in microwave and set it for a slow-roast program. The interference will prevent harmful spy-rays from reaching the phone.

Bonus, you can fast-charge Apple devices using the Microwave thanks to #AppleWave!

I find that putting my tinfoil hats in the microwave on high for five minutes really restores their luster. ;P

lol... Likely entirely offtopic, but this reminds be of the joke which in Bulgarian reads: "Когато станем милиарди, ще видиш ти на кой ще викаш луд" Very roughly translated, pun lost: "When we reach billions lunatics, you would be much more careful whom you call madman"

Juan

7:35 p.m.

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:58:02 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

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For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

1. get a hammer 2. use it

Douglas Lucas

9:40 p.m.

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On 05/05/2015 02:35 PM, Juan wrote:

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:58:02 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

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For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

1. get a hammer 2. use it

3. Stop organizing large numbers of people to do anything offline, it is completely worthless, it is laughable that Mexicans are destroying government buildings to resist the narcostate, what dorks, they use phones, they and the journalists murdered there should be completely ignored by Twitter accounts with millions of followers in favor of David Miranda 4. Cypherpunks using sekrit crypto should become Bitcoin billionaries because once they have tons of money, they will be normal, average, amicable billionaires like Pierre Omidyar and lead us to social justice just like other oligarchs have throughout history, only this time it will be even better since computers are cool

Ron Perry

10:27 p.m.

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 16:35:33 -0300 Juan wrote:

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:58:02 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

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For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

1. get a hammer 2. use it

1. Switch on phone 2. Leave it at home, always 3. Use your phone location as alibi

Juan

10:38 p.m.

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 22:27:30 +0000 Ron Perry wrote:

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 16:35:33 -0300 Juan wrote:

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:58:02 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote:

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For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

1. get a hammer 2. use it

1. Switch on phone 2. Leave it at home, always 3. Use your phone location as alibi

Ha. That's a good one.

rysiek

6 May 6 May

3:13 p.m.

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Dnia wtorek, 5 maja 2015 16:35:33 Juan pisze:

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On Tue, 5 May 2015 14:58:02 +0300

Georgi Guninski wrote:

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For maximum safety: ;)

1. Put the phone in airplane mode 2. Physically remove the battery 3. Put the phone in tinfoil faraday cage as explained here 4. Put the faraday cage in the microwave oven

1. get a hammer 2. use it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWl2lA7968 No, the irony of linking to a google surveillance machine in this discussion is not lost on me. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Razer

3 May 3 May

5:48 p.m.

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Caveat: Keep in mind that your phone, smart or not, will be transmitting on a regular basis trying to poll for cellsites. Encasing your phone in a tinfoil wrapper or other tightly fitting metal case will SERIOUSLY affect the Standing Wave Ratio (SWR) of the radiating 'antenna' (now days, because everyone thought antennas were ugly, or inconvenient despite the fact they dramatically improve phone performance that's about every metal part in the phone's chassis), and may shorten it's life. The communications frequency equivalent of putting a metal object in a microwave oven. On 05/02/2015 05:21 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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I don't use smartphones, and so don't know what works best. Searching on "detect IMSI catcher" yields hits for Android, but I see no apps for iOS. AIMSICD looks like a good app. Maybe someone who knows this stuff well can recommend one.

For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

The hardest aspect is getting good electrical contact on all seams, including the access flap. The maximum dimension of any hole in the bag must be small, less than an inch. A gap at the seam that's an inch long, even if it's very narrow, will leak a lot.

The other thing to keep in mind is that aluminum foil gets brittle with bending, and will crack. So you need multiple layers, and the layers must be in electrical contact. Narrow strips of double-stick tape between layers are OK to provide structural stability. But it's a trade-off.

Mirimir

10:26 p.m.

New subject: How are the Baltimore riots going?/Any way we can help?

I'm replying to my own post to add comments based on list feedback. On 05/02/2015 06:21 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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On 05/02/2015 03:40 AM, Douglas Lucas wrote:

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On 05/01/2015 03:26 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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Protesters, or at least key organizers, need to be running apps to detect and block IMSI catchers. And everyone not using them needs to put their phones in Faraday bags. So they also need to know how to make Faraday bags from aluminum foil and duct tape.

Some think that removing the battery, or even turning the phone off or putting it in "airplane mode", is enough. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but I don't trust either of those approaches. However, I do agree that taking one of those steps before putting the phone in the Faraday bag will prevent rapid battery discharge through high-power attempts to reach towers.

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Good links to walkthroughs on both these would be greatly appreciated.

I don't use smartphones, and so don't know what works best. Searching on "detect IMSI catcher" yields hits for Android, but I see no apps for iOS. AIMSICD looks like a good app. Maybe someone who knows this stuff well can recommend one.

For the Faraday bag, see http://www.instructables.com/id/RFID-Secure-Wallet/. It's easy to test. Just put the phone in the bag, and call it. If it rings, there are leaks.

The hardest aspect is getting good electrical contact on all seams, including the access flap. The maximum dimension of any hole in the bag must be small, less than an inch. A gap at the seam that's an inch long, even if it's very narrow, will leak a lot.

The other thing to keep in mind is that aluminum foil gets brittle with bending, and will crack. So you need multiple layers, and the layers must be in electrical contact. Narrow strips of double-stick tape between layers are OK to provide structural stability. But it's a trade-off.

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I was at Freddie Gray et al./May Day protest tonight (Friday; see tweets https://twitter.com/douglaslucas/with_replies). There was one point, a key intersection we were marching through halfway into the march, where cell reception inexplicably dropped for a few minutes. There was also, early on, someone in an Austin Police Department hat taking pictures/video from the balcony of a firefighter's station, suggesting that the cops were clued in, which would make sense given the organizing happening on facebook etc., which of course sounds like horrors to crypto snobs but in terms of mobilizing large populations is the only current, repeatedly practiced answer and an effective, if dangerous, one.

Razer

1 May 1 May

8:59 p.m.

New subject: How are the Baltimore riots going?/Any way we can help?

On 05/01/2015 09:38 AM, Y G wrote:

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Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front? I heard a bunch of things about the Baltimore PD being sure to keep track of livestreams and I think also checking Twitter photos? So maybe someone running their own StatusNet or Pump.io or something, so that the Baltimore PD aren't at least getting the data firehosed from the source? (Of course, that would require getting the message out to everyone to switch...)

One of the high profile sites covering the Baltimore protests, FergusonAction, is being 'protected', including dedicated DNS, by Cloudflare. That means Cloudflare, owned by the creator of "Operation Honeypot" and known to be quite friendly with the feds, 'haz all ur metadataz' I discovered that this morning and tumbl'd it, with the rest of what I know about Cloudflare, here: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/117874632894

Zenaan Harkness

2 May 2 May

12:22 a.m.

New subject: How are the Baltimore riots going?/Any way we can help?

On 5/2/15, Razer wrote:

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On 05/01/2015 09:38 AM, Y G wrote:

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Is there any way that the protests could use help on the tech front? I heard a bunch of things about the Baltimore PD being sure to keep track of livestreams and I think also checking Twitter photos? So maybe someone running their own StatusNet or Pump.io or something, so that the Baltimore PD aren't at least getting the data firehosed from the source? (Of course, that would require getting the message out to everyone to switch...)

One of the high profile sites covering the Baltimore protests, FergusonAction, is being 'protected', including dedicated DNS, by Cloudflare.

That means Cloudflare, owned by the creator of "Operation Honeypot" and known to be quite friendly with the feds, 'haz all ur metadataz'

I discovered that this morning and tumbl'd it, with the rest of what I know about Cloudflare, here: http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/117874632894

Thank you. Useful info for those to whom it would come as a surprise, and for those who have some trust in corporations which are, by decree of their constitutions, for hire to the highest bidder (in almost but not quite all cases). What we need is to create within ourselves and our communities a culture of awareness that "if you don't run it, you don't control it, and it will most likely be working against your interests; ipso comprendo, run your own".

grarpamp

1 May 1 May

6:51 a.m.

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Mandatory curfew

un-Constitutional and un-UDHR. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk Yo Flava... what time is it?

StealthMonger

12:45 p.m.

New subject: Sanitizing google search results

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It used to be usually really easy [1] to sanitize google search results, stripping off all the tracking and leaving the target URL. For example, http://www.google.com/url?q=http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/32835/safely-interrupt-reindex&sa=U&ei=70I-Vb3fHoPnaI6XgLgP&ved=0CBIQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNHjtJ6F8LTsfRiZ-bnBMjsb_HLY8A would become http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/32835/safely-interrupt-reindex Now, more and more it seems, google search results are encoded in a less obvious way. Does anybody here know how they can be sanitized? ----- [1] sed 's,^http://www.google.com/url?q=$.*$&sa=.*$,\1,' - -- -- StealthMonger Long, random latency is part of the price of Internet anonymity. Key: mailto:stealthsuite<>nym.mixmin.net?subject=send%20stealthmonger-key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.9 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlVDVvsACgkQDkU5rhlDCl5nBACdFJ5ksGU2rpCXhdMTpGIe28pD ecEAoJNQZIFj5iQ6cM+qRsBtxGfATdFu =GE9k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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