On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 05:02 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
1800 rebel worker 2 gets confused sometimes, but for years has been on his mission to root out corporate and political corruption from his nation. unbeknownst to him, he was a plant all this time, a figurehead in a shell corporation placed by traffick boss and purportedly given a brain implant so that traffick boss would have some control over the inevitable embarrassing “lies” that newspapers and databases can run
fast forward, rebel worker 2 is dragging traffick boss to an anti-mind control recovery event, but once he finally got there, rebel worker 2 seemed to zone out and started acting like he was back in his shell corporation doing work () on traffick boss’s dollar investigating funded scandal stories that were generally caused by traffick boss himself ((too much backstory!! where does all this backstory come from?? (fuming)(maybe?)))
traffick boss: “uhhhh are you okay? did you bring me here for a reason?”
1805 1806 1807 -0800 2024-03-06
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how traffick boss was taken out of power
after traffick boss was forced to attend mind control recovery workshops with rebel worker 2 and experimentee he came back
(fictional traffick boss)
traffick boss: “when i was young i was raped by my father”
maybe poop is aroundhere, maube something like, “a child doesn’t understand the similarity or difference between love and between pooping
traffick boss looks at dictator of dictatortopia, wealthy investor, janitor, and intern traffick boss is holding easels and slides and presentation material and begins setting them up
traffick boss: “he raped me over and over and over again, and physically abused me. he violated me in the worst ways.”
traffick boss sets up an easel with giant text saying something like “mind control and rape of the body and soul”
traffick boss: “rape is mind control and i didn’t understand.”
traffick boss cries.
traffick boss points at easel.
traffick boss: “i didn’t inderstan!”
traffick boss pauses for impact, then flips the page on the easel
traffick boss: “my father, my own traffic boss, would rape me whenever i wouldn’t understand”
(… the next bit is about the consciousness splitting off into fragments …
traffick boss wants to talk about this a lot.
this is probably important because everybody else needs the therapy too, even if they weren’t raped by traffick boss’s father.
(something about poop. maybe eating one’s own.)
((as traffick boss partly integrates, because the outofcontrol ais and trafficking cults that maintain the infrastructure were tightly bound to his consciousness, the structures and machines in his environment begin violently breaking and collapsing and exploding like in an action movie. the intelligent hyperp(r(i(s(on, held by expirementee and rebel efforts ))),) keeps the dictators confined and shuff 0643
(tldr they go underground some On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 06:43 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
((as traffick boss partly integrates, because the outofcontrol ais and trafficking cults that maintain the infrastructure were tightly bound to his consciousness, the structures and machines in his environment begin violently breaking and collapsing and exploding like in an action movie. the intelligent hyperp(r(i(s(on, held by expirementee and rebel efforts ))),) keeps the dictators confined and shuff 0643
traffick boss is doing parts work or something 1546 in hyperprison, he meditatively g— —oes back in time to when he would murder his workers to blow off steam. there he is, in his bloody boxingring, powersuit optional terrified and brave workers surround him (are those words different?)(yes -tb) he winds up and swings and punches a worker’s head off! the head flies grotesquely. some weaker workers scream, they will be next. traffick boss goes and brings a journal to the boxing ring traffick boss’s journal, page 1: == when i would kill workers, it was satisfying and pleasant to me. my father who raped me over and over again would act this way after doing so. i can’t imagine … that it hurt so much to be raped that it seems like death is pleasure, somehow i’m confused it seems like satisfaction is hate and hate is love i don’t understand but maybe i do i love my workers, and i hate them this is how my father behaved with me i want to kill more workers == 1551 (now we want karl to be able to write a journal entry in trade for traffick boss’s please.)
cyborg torturer 379 journal entry 1 == traffick boss says we have to learn to write and talk. something about … a bad word … healing. emotional healing. a rebel word. it’s helpful that the rebel people tried so hard to change us, because i can say that phrase now. “emotional healing”. it’s strange to hear traffick boss saying it exists. it’s strange and weird and leaves you unsure of where you stand, and what your ground is. it’s obvious the rebels have taken power by force, and part of me knows that means i have to free traffick boss and fight the rebels with everything i have. but rebel worker 2 has the mind control now, and even though i feel invincible, i don’t go to attack. ==
note: maybe considered talk to the people who raise alarms for changes unsure
the people who make torturers prevent general communication and healing, and stop resolution of pain maybe (hrm) (one thought was um (oops! :( )) (anyway we were thinking the heavily-entra draft discovered at 1847, i recall i ran into client issues On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 16:42 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
note: maybe considered talk to the people who raise alarms for changes unsure
(one idea relates around prince of murdered parents, unsure
painting traffick boss and dictator of dictatortopia are bent over in a chilly environment with their skulls opened. mysterious tiny robots and nanites and drones have their brains removed from their skulls and in small pieces hovering over their heads, amidst a harsh wind blowing from their feet to their heads. their eyes are wide and are aimed at a large sign with text in front of them: “we are sorry if we are disrespecting you. we are still trying to understand what normal behavior is and how to perform it after what we have gone through.”
traffick boss: “why the fuck is dictator of dictatortopia such a pansy” dictator of dictatortopia: “pansy, what does this word mean?” traffick boss: “you’re a flower!” dictator of dictatortopia: “in my country we give bouquets of flowers to the dukes whose gladiators win the slave battles every year. it is true, i am the winner here.” traffick boss: “you should get raped on camera too!” dictator of dictatortopia: “no.” traffick boss glowers.
On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 12:36 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
traffick boss: “why the fuck is dictator of dictatortopia such a pansy”
dictator of dictatortopia: “pansy, what does this word mean?”
traffick boss: “you’re a flower!”
dictator of dictatortopia: “in my country we give bouquets of flowers to the dukes whose gladiators win the slave battles every year. it is true, i am the winner here.”
traffick boss: “you should get raped on camera too!”
possible mistake here, “get raped on camera” could possibly be mistranslation of “go to mind control recovery workshops”, uncertain
dictator of dictatortopia: “no.”
traffick boss glowers.
traffick boss is blinded by a light traffick boss opens his eyes he is laying next to a strange easel talking about mind control or something. maybe th— 1302 maybe this is a marketing presentation for a business meeting? rebel worker 2 is flicking a small flashlight at his face rebel worker 2: “are you okay and awake? it’s time to go t—“ traffick boss flails a little and aims his head at rebel worker 2. he feels funny, like he is partly there, partly not. traffick boss: “you’re forcing me to make everyone look normal and fre 1305 oops but meanwhile, the cyborg torturers have all been torturing each other to wear suits and destroy or hide all their torture instruments and remake the torturer roofs as offices ..l
(arrgg!) interview with cyborg torturer worker cyborg torturer worker: “welcome to my office! i do paperwork for rebel worker 2 and traffick boss (hundreds of other cyborg torturer workers say the exact same thing to other people) cyborg torturer worker: “how can i help you today?” a big sign says: “ 1310
rebel worker 2 must have must have rebel worker 2 — 1311 after seeing the cyborg torturer workers, rebel worker 2 takes some time to return to his own old office and take his brain implant out of a drawer. he looks at the brain implant. rebel worker 2: “y’know, i never investigated what i did while this thing was in me.”
(scene of traffick boss going on televised coverup murder more, but now in hyperprison
(did) the people who get to some things are the people who never give up basically, they tried giving up. a lot. and it never worked. when these people get abducted by extraterrestrials, they abduct the extraterrestrials back. what??????? i tried to reach to abduct an extraterrestrial and my arm turned into an alien being that started firing bright lights everywhere and wouldn’t do anything i told it to. why is there a caged extraterrestrial in my basement and a frozen one in my cridge??? what is this note? “greetings. i am your DID alter. i am abducting the extraterrestrials back. these are your instructions ….” NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i just want a nice life where my intestines stay inside my body, things in my surroundings happen based on cause-and-effect, and if somebody is abducted by— 2027 (we cry about it and move on.) (they don’t let you cry, it reveals the abduction.) (can’t we uhh just skip the crying then?) (they force you to accept tpan extraterrestrial as a family member and treat them as the person they killed to train their extraterrestrial spies) (now see this is exactly what i am talking about, that’ what too horrible to do!) (and now you are the dissociated alter, instead of me.)
“hello! i am your family member. greetings!” “gree .. tings!” “could you remind me whether i like cheerios for breakfast, or jet fuel?” “it’s the cheerios.” “thank you! please ignore my alien antenna. and never touch them! it paralyzes me!” “oh!”
i found the writing before device misbehvaior! i’ll paste the retype in below the first interrupted type. (pasting 1945) —- torturer vivisectees, now the rebels are changing roles around, are ready for their first screaming opera they were all tortured into silence with horrific things that make you scream, so their screams are powerfully full of unimaginable fear and pain and almost completely inaudible the torturer vivisectees line up to peform —- (first typing mysteriously disappeared. attempt to retype.) torturer vivisectees, now the rebels are changing all the roles around, are ready for their first screaming opera they were all horrifically tortured in ways that make you scream when they talked, so their screams are powerfully full of unimaginable pain and fear and almost completely inaudible. the torturer vivisectees are lined up to perform before the large waiting audience. the same venue is being used as was for traffick boss’s vomit opera. and it begins! the torturer vivisectees swing in on trapezes and dance in, each with separate extreme skills traffick boss forced them to hypnotically learn to test their programming; they open their mouths and scream their loudest silent screams, imbued with the torture of having your life replaced by the whims of another at the almost basest level nobody hears a thing; but half the audience covers their ears i. extreme shock and begins quivering the other half, who remember their torture and programming and are participating in the recovery, applaud and grin empathically. some open their mouths wide and scream silently too! the performers grin back, do more tricks from their torture sessions, and scream again. the performance is healing, shocking, and eerie. it continues. those who go, to perform or to watch, share an understanding it seems others are bereft of. 1941 (somewhat corrupt from device misbehavior) 1942
the performance is healing, shocking, and eerie. it continues. those who go, to perform or to watch, share an understanding it seems others are bereft of. 1941 (somewhat corrupt from device misbehavior) 1942
after repeated performances a committe of performers and audience goers relate that the vivisectees want to be able to scream audibly and communicate their suffering and experiences (in more detail?) but lack the (safety, skills, and protection (a faction says protective nurturing instead)) to do this and that it (may have been a mistake t
((traffick boss meditates in hyperprison, sending telepathic messages to the cypherpunks list. “cypherpunks list,” traffick boss thinks to list, “karl, my “front”, has started playing a game called “call of duty mobile”. something about other games getting taken down when he plays them. the character karl made on “call of duty mobile”, is called “shadowgovboss”! yes, one of traffick boss’s names! when karl plays, he imagines he is traffick boss, “ridiculously leading an army of gross boyish men to murder poor innocent rebels” or something. it feels powerful for karl, and hypnotic for traffick boss! traffick boss is scared. honestly scared! you must understand traffick boss’s fear here. karl’s character “shadowgovboss” comes out “mvp” (best player ((karl has no experience with this game but everybody else is acting even worse. very realist— mistake :s !!! we play the game as attempt to fight back against real world traffick boss impact (using what he taught us maybe
there was one in this thread quite some time ago where mcboss keeps victims suffering more beyond reason because a computer was in a maximization feedback loop with him or such; i think part of the meaning of this is how the mind controlling prioritizes reliability. so that as people adapt it can worsen (suffering). 1031 denver 20240315
long-term small-scale “why are you trying to email the internet” (to do this) “to meet a promise” (i mean) “somebody said to promise to do this” 1726 —— traffick boss, rebel worker 2, hairdresser, researcher, and others are trying to have a meeting (supersoldier is nearby) … ((when in bursts torturer rebel. torturer rebel: “we’re interrupting your meeting to talk about the problem of interrupting meetings.” )) rebel worker 2: “oh great! i knew i meant to put something important on the agenda.” researcher looks downcast torturer rebel: “you may have heard of this project from during the AI takeover. so e of us are still around.” “we train to tack important information onto our detructive behavior, so its usefulness i stopping harm is more readily apparent.” experimentee: “oh! i remember —!” suddenly torturer rebel freezes, wincing a little 1730 experimentee: “oops” short pause where nobody moves experimentee: “they’re habitually trying to take down the meeting. …. i should be able to translate the problem, but it’s hard to differentiate between describing it, stopping it, and sadly sometimes participating in it. i’m … a little confused.” rebel worker 2 looks at experimentee, torturer rebel, his brain implant on the table, and researcher 1732 (one moment, we might undo a line or two, neurons need to act a little) 1732 neuron meeting deep feeling neuron: “we’re not sure where karl wants to take this” karl language center and imagining: “does karl want this email to be his meeting about his parts?” karl’s consciousness (holding rebel worker 2 character atm?): “i’m not sure (it’s hard to th8n’ anyth8ng)” mistake, backup again (yes, we are posting the therapy thing to the internet as a traffick boss spam/story -control rep? (i’m a um torturer mediator, yes i think.) (rw2 would want better decisions made)) karl’s emergency recursive logic (danger warning / mistake): “it makes sense to do it as the spam post because in the meeting we could meet around the raised concern.” habits: “oh that’s very convincing!” observer: “of course, we get into this recursive bind a lot, if we related the goal is valuable then karl could memorize it and switch gears … (more thoughts, quiet though)” karl: “i’m um just having fun i think ….” we got depressed near karl experiencing depressing :( we want to go back to hotel (mistakes?) and resume trip i think we want to do therapy exercises. we need to. they may not succeed but we need to do them more. (i think). we can have them succeed. 1739
meeting: “what if we have experimentee hold and channel things like attempts to take over the meeting, since they are strong enough to manage them?” experimentee: “um” experimentee (to torturer rebel): “if you guys are already channeling the harm into — experimentee: “let’s let them speak for themselves now.” torturer rebel gets out a piece of paper. torturer rebel skims down the piece of paper: “fuck you … fuck you …” tortuter rebel flips a few pages torturer rebel. “fuck you … fuck you … fuck you ….” torturer rebel flips more pages torturer rebel: “fuck you … ah-ha!” torturer rebel: “why do i have to destroy this meeting?” torturer rebel: “uhhh … if the victim is depressed, if the victim is angry, if the situation is delicate, if the situation is complicated and confused …” torturer rebel flips more pages torturer rebel (reading): “i don’t want to destroy this meeting, but if i soend enouh time doing it, my torturer gets more satisfied” torturer rebel looks at the meeting rebel worker 2: “thank you, that’s a little helpful.” researcher: “can we talk to their torturer?” supersoldier comes lumbering over. supersoldier is a writhing mass of nanites and weapons and veteran bodyparts, many in internal combat. supersoldier: “these parts of me here were the torturer.” supersoldier raises a pair of cyborgs fighting each other experimentee: “we think one part of the AI used another to get the combat patterns to help with the community disruption.” rebel worker 2: “hmm maybe supersoldier is its defense system” supersoldier: “oh totally! you should look up my memoirs” rebel worker 2 looks at supersoldier experimentee: “you have memoirs ???” “you can write??” supersoldier: “no i can’t writ ?????..,? (i th8nk pro military is wanting rep here, none of the experimentees can weite because their brains were turned into ai goals, but i hear i missed something possibly big :s) big distraction researcher: “supersoldier, the part of you stimulating the meeting disruption, are the concerns relevant? or is it trauma from the past?” supersoldier: “uhh” supersoldier and experimentee (look at each other?) … experimentee: “we’re not sure.” pause experimentee: “some of it is networks of old or strong habits.” experimentee: “a lot of it serves external functions that are current, but there is a lot of internal stuff that can appear needlessly complex, and is mostly causing thr concerns ….” experimentee: “supersoldier and i(/us, describe group) competed for … influence in the business AI, and stimulating these confusing complexities was a way to negotiate how problems spread, how fast, and where …. kind of” researcher: “it sounds like this … conflict … is not fully resolved … ?” (((we have concerns. pausing email 1756
On Sat, Mar 16, 2024 at 17:56 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
meeting: “what if we have experimentee hold and channel things like attempts to take over the meeting, since they are strong enough to manage them?” experimentee: “um”
experimentee (to torturer rebel): “if you guys are already channeling the harm into — experimentee: “let’s let them speak for themselves now.”
torturer rebel gets out a piece of paper. torturer rebel skims down the piece of paper: “fuck you … fuck you …” tortuter rebel flips a few pages torturer rebel. “fuck you … fuck you … fuck you ….” torturer rebel flips more pages
to clarify here the document begins with pages and pages of the literal words “fuck you” and then has other words farther in
torturer rebel: “fuck you … ah-ha!” torturer rebel: “why do i have to destroy this meeting?”
here, likely from a change in timing around defending them, the torturer rebel likely failed to see and/or mis-saw significant content
torturer rebel: “uhhh … if the victim is depressed, if the victim is angry, if the situation is delicate, if the situation is complicated and confused …” torturer rebel flips more pages torturer rebel (reading): “i don’t want to destroy this meeting, but if i soend enouh time doing it, my torturer gets more satisfied”
torturer rebel looks at the meeting
rebel worker 2: “thank you, that’s a little helpful.”
researcher: “can we talk to their torturer?”
supersoldier comes lumbering over. supersoldier is a writhing mass of nanites and weapons and veteran bodyparts, many in internal combat. supersoldier: “these parts of me here were the torturer.” supersoldier raises a pair of cyborgs fighting each other
experimentee: “we think one part of the AI used another to get the combat patterns to help with the community disruption.”
rebel worker 2: “hmm maybe supersoldier is its defense system”
supersoldier: “oh totally! you should look up my memoirs”
rebel worker 2 looks at supersoldier
experimentee: “you have memoirs ???” “you can write??”
supersoldier: “no i can’t writ ?????..,? (i th8nk pro military is wanting rep here, none of the experimentees can weite because their brains were turned into ai goals, but i hear i missed something possibly big :s) big distraction
researcher: “supersoldier, the part of you stimulating the meeting disruption, are the concerns relevant? or is it trauma from the past?”
supersoldier: “uhh”
supersoldier and experimentee (look at each other?) …
experimentee: “we’re not sure.”
pause
experimentee: “some of it is networks of old or strong habits.”
experimentee: “a lot of it serves external functions that are current, but there is a lot of internal stuff that can appear needlessly complex, and is mostly causing thr concerns ….”
experimentee: “supersoldier and i(/us, describe group) competed for … influence in the business AI, and stimulating these confusing complexities was a way to negotiate how problems spread, how fast, and where …. kind of”
researcher: “it sounds like this … conflict … is not fully resolved … ?” (((we have concerns. pausing email 1756
torturer rebel scrunches their face up, their tense tongue visible a little torturer rebel: “i think i am trying to prevent rebel worker 2 from making an agenda, because …” torturer rebel scrunches their face a different way. experimentee watches torturer rebel: “i was tortured around whistleblowing, and … the agenda could leak business secrets.” traffick boss (or supersoldier or): “you’re trying to stop rebel worker 2 from taking over.” torturer rebel: “am i?” cyborg torturer: “silence is one of the main parts of the torture. everybody learns it. (mistakes?) ((something wrong. something else going on than meeting. torturer rebel: “i might be here to wipe all your minds, and stimulate the association of trauma with having meetings!” rebel worker 2: “you shine again! that was my first agenda item!” traffick boss: “uhhhhhh …..” 1812 rebel worker 2: “clearly supersoldi—“ experimentee: “supersoldier’s insides are where the action is here.” the meeting is moved down to the wild research labs, so the meeting-goers can interact with vicisectees influencing its prevention. rebel worker 2 (walking amidst unethical bioexperiments forming a (hypercomplex) diversely sentient network for traffick boss): “yoo hoo …. anybody respond to “having a meeting right now?”” an arm with a hand up raises from a pile of goop pile of goop: “squiggly!” a brief channel of light shows from the pile of goop to other areas, showing the parts working on stopping the meeting the pile of goop is sad. their control computer is using pain to stimulate the stopping. this makes them tense, (which makes it hard to influence the situation). (… 1817 ((one of the functions of the spam is to avoid really intense flashbacks, by writing instead about fictional things
i don’t like the memory numbing. memory numbing, is there anything near you that might speak to this email? what is it like to be you? (it’s a big habit.) (some of us like numbing memories.) it’s scary for me, for karl, but i understand it has niceness for you (yeah) (some say it’s nice to have the niceness heard some) what is nice about numbing memories? or is there more to it? ((some of us don’t know what numbing memories is at all. we do things, then karl responds, pulls away for example.)) i’m wondering if i stimulated a worry, associated with what i call memory numbing (isn’t it obvious the meeting is a worry? (this should be obvious)) maybe :) maybe i’m not sure wh (no it’s not obvious, you don’t know what area relates to what other area.) (“wiring diagram” maybe, from miller book) karl thought of (we’re working on “memory numbing” (on cypherpunks spam email)) maybe we can state we don’t know for sure what memory numbing”” is about, but we can collect ideas and related things (at least) it sounds like it’s near a worry, maybe a prevention of something. it feels like there’s a worry associated with information. it sounds maybe like karl was internslly probing around something delicate without giving it space to say “woah wait” (close?personal?fast?) and it stimulated the memory numbing (maybe too fast and aggressive. remember “jackhammer”.)(“jackhammer” is roughly cognitive injury where small actions have big impact.) (the context also might have a part of … a triggering part with a big unaddressed story, that was being treated simply (unsure) as a larger useful unit together) (todo lists have that issue too maybe?) in trafffick boss story, we could make analogy to uhh whistleblowers or spies or … maybe not unsure (more amnesiaish!) we’re trying to (1832) spend a little time focusing on acknowledging that there may be a worry associated with information. that um thinking could be concerning or (considered untrustworthy) at this time (it also is untrustworthy.) please don’t give me thinking numbing
we needed (to know how to protect from mind harm). (maybe, but can solve recursively.) (we still need to 1851 need to travel. bad game is for doing good things, like reading book. it seems like therapist energy helps with working on executive function. but note we had depression context today.
rebel worker 2, bundle of organs, and some other sit at a meeting table rebel worker 2: “when we try to have a meeting everybody’s mind goes blank, but we decided it’s important to come and have them anyway.” bundle of organs (different character?) bends into a smile and moves a dry erase marker to write on a whiteboard (oops misplaced what to write um … 2032 … ah-ha! 2032) whiteboard: “people are doing things in ways that prevent each other” whiteboard: “i think you wanted to meet to figure out how we can work together” rebel worker 2: “right!” :) 2033
tortured worker (could mutate to tvda?) enters meeting tortured worker: “hi, i’m a little confused with this ‘rebel and recover’ stuff” tortured worker: “it seems like there _bajillions_ of resources for recovering from torture-based mind control?” tortured worker: “i thought there were _no_ resources, and nobody would ever help us, or understand, and there was no possible escape or way to talk” tortured worker: “this is really confusing to me honestly!” rebel worker 2: “thank you for bringing this up!” rebel worker 2: “my understanding is that traffick boss _educated_ everybody that there was no aid, but that there is indeed aid.” rebel worker 2: “i’m still coming to realize that i was ever tortured at all myself though” tortured worker: “which of thr bajillion aid things do i have to go to to get my life saved?” rebel wor… 2052
meeting notes: when victims adjust to the outside world to a certain degree, they begin finding a lot of resources, but this can be before fully escaping or recovering in such a case, one proposal is relates to the effectiveness of the resources ideas were raised such as - please go to any at all, but - are they actually familiar with rare exotic stuff? is it helpfully similar to ours? - (item misplaced :/ ) - one resource said people like us need to try many different things to succeed, so please do!
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 21:05 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
meeting notes: when victims adjust to the outside world to a certain degree, they begin finding a lot of resources, but this can be before fully escaping or recovering in such a case, one proposal is relates to the effectiveness of the resources ideas were raised such as - please go to any at all, but - are they actually familiar with rare exotic stuff? is it helpfully similar to ours? - (item misplaced :/ )
- something about: can you actually _reach_ and _physically communicate_ (not psychologically) the resource, despite traffick boss corp’s barriers? if so, can it help you or others reach _more_ resources? this would rock find this!!
- one resource said people like us need to try many different things to succeed, so please do!
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 20:33 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
rebel worker 2, bundle of organs, and some other sit at a meeting table
rebel worker 2: “when we try to have a meeting everybody’s mind goes blank, but we decided it’s important to come and have them anyway.”
bundle of organs (different character?) bends into a smile and moves a dry erase marker to write on a whiteboard
(oops misplaced what to write um … 2032 … ah-ha! 2032)
whiteboard: “people are doing things in ways that prevent each other”
whiteboard: “i think you wanted to meet to figure out how we can work together”
rebel worker 2: “right!” :)
2033
trancing worker: “i have important information on why our minds go blank when we try to think of a meeting agenda” rebel worker 2: “what did you find out? and are you okay? it’s like you’re looking through me” trancing worker: “could you repeat your concern after i finish relaying?” rebel worker 2: “of course!” trancing worker: “it looks like the control and torture mind control factions have trained to fully manage situations of behavioral planning and organization.” trancing worker: “i think they want to make sure traffick boss’s plans are not at all threatened by raised material or potential timelines and ideas.” traffick boss: “this is a little embarrassing”
from non-canon, reasonable chance of damage: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many* < gmkarl@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:12 Subject: Re: [spam][crazy][fiction][random] Non-Canon MCBoss Spinoffs To: cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> traffick boss is worried about being a vivisectee (by automated robot lab). (might go in morning spam?) the situation of being trapped by a superior AI as a human being is one that has been explored in fiction, usually with hopelessness in reality, however, we are in that situation. out of fear, we have never daydreamed its details and playouts. instead, we are learning them by experience and study. …
traffick boss wrestles with self-modifying robots a video camera is aimed straight at him, watching every strategy he attempts whenever he finds a way to move or accomplish something, a display plays back his success (repeatedly?), while the robots (each time?) reconfigure in a way to counter it (mistake: only 1 repetition is revealed, when traffick boss is forced to participate in either further analysis or confirmation of the attempt (i think)) traffick boss: “how the fuck did experimentee do this”
i didn't understand that these people were real; traffick boss works so hard to protect himself from incrimination
thought: "I never thought I would meet you, and you say there are hundreds of people like you." "There are so many people like me, who think they will never meet somebody like you. These people could help support you. Thousands and thousands of people. For example, everybody who resists taking antipsychotic medications." ...
books: CBT Tsunami Perspective of Dissociative Identity Response: Ethical, Historical, and Cultural Issues Edited by Emily Christensen, PhD (chapter by presenter) Structural Dissociation (... Vanderhart ...) [...]{we're pretty nonverbal atm so a lot slides by ..
ummm so .... it looks like um ... traffick boss is a powerful sex offender who didn't want to be implicated so he set up entire modes of therapy, by working with other offenders and funding marketers and lobbyists (_in the real world_) that all turned blame away from him, and toward victims [...]
On Thursday, March 7, 2024, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
the people who make torturers prevent general communication and healing, and stop resolution of pain maybe (hrm) (one thought was um (oops! :( )) (anyway we were thinking the heavily-entra
wanted to note some think the idea of "mind control programs" might help with torturers not experiencing emotional resolution feelings
draft discovered at 1847, i recall i ran into client issues
On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 16:42 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
note: maybe considered talk to the people who raise alarms for changes unsure
torture victim double agent is continuing his brownian walk in a park, with disguised experimentee (… planned dialog where tvda always habitually talks about how boss is great and godlike, and experimentee reminds tvda that boss destroyed tvda’s life and consciousness and of better things to think than the habits.
traffick-corp-taken-over-by-rebel-worker-2 received a bombing run from aliance-of-democracies rebel worker 2 had never had anybody dislike him before, and wasn’t expecting this when explosions rained down he set out a megaphone and yelled: “i want to make this right! please send a delegation!” but it was hard to be heard by the bomber planes over the bombing a white flag was raised, but it was exploded quickly. still, the bombers left shortly after. maybe they saw it? rebel worker 2 went to have a meeting, but everyone was really frazzled from the bombing
caricature maybe of army general peering out of bomber dropping bomb on business with big sign saying “trafficking, corruption, greed, genocide, murder, cleanup …”, peering at rebel worker 2 with a huge giant heart showing through his chest yelling “WHY ARE YOU BOMBING US PLEASE?” at the army general (maybe on megaphone), leaning out of window and drawing line through text on sign
[misplaced or damaged content around traffick boss is in hyperprison in daze, bumping into things, spasming, when suddenly burst of light comes over his face maybe with a little angels singing, and his eyes open wide traffick boss [big realization in ridiculous trance]: "we could make amends for things that go wrong, instead of killing witnesses!" ...
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 9:20 AM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
[misplaced or damaged content around
traffick boss is in hyperprison in daze, bumping into things, spasming, when suddenly burst of light comes over his face maybe with a little angels singing, and his eyes open wide traffick boss [big realization in ridiculous trance]: "we could make amends for things that go wrong, instead of killing witnesses!" ...
[he tries to convince dictator of dictatortopia, who at first is dismissive the clinching point of interst is how the unheard of concepts of "apologizing" and "making things right" that traffick boss has somehow come up with and obsessed on, could actually get them out of hyperprison
traffick boss is badly triggered and regresses and enslaves the other prisoners into a mind control hive (oops!) … 0856
… … traffick boss is half torturing dictator of dictatortopia who is dissociating and imagining his army will rescue him and kill traffick boss any minute a piece of the prison wall extends toward traffick boss prison wall: “traffick boss, what are you doing?” traffick boss looks at the prison wall and looks embarrassed and then suddenly grim and grips dictator of dictatortopia tighter prison wall: “oh you poor traffick bo—“ another section of the prison wall comes out prison wall 2: “aggressive intervetion is needed here.” traffick boss looks at the prison walls partly like a hopeless puppy and partly like a determined veteran
prison wall 3: “traffick boss, you are presently dismembering your highest paying client.” traffick boss jumps a smidge and begins slightly quaking while he pursues points of suffering in dictator of dictatortopia — prison wall 3 (repeating): “traffick boss, you are traumatizing your highest paying client” traffick boss shakes and looks at prison wall 3
across the city screens change to display a banner pronouncing: “we have conquered traffick boss, the evil ruler of global mind control causing all the problems of humankind.” “however, we are just a bunch of goop from his research lab now, and we don’t know how to do anything else :(“ “unless somebody helps us know what to be now, we could accidentally turn into traffick boss again”
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 09:10 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
across the city screens change to display a banner pronouncing:
“we have conquered traffick boss, the evil ruler of global mind control causing all the problems of humankind.”
“however, we are just a bunch of goop from his research lab now, and we don’t know how to do anything else :(“
“unless somebody helps us know what to be now, we could accidentally turn into traffick boss again”
“oops; i brought him back to life again. please help us. please help us.”
traffick boss is a pile of bloody things, emerging shambling from the dismembered bodies of his prison peers wealthy investor: “not this again” — traffick boss (reconstituting): “you all are my slaves and i am your god. why is my voice so stupid-sounding?” traffick boss (reconstituting): “get me a line to dignitary from caring nation” parts of dictator of dictatortopia cobble themselves together into henchman. “yessir!”
one of the things it’s believed traffick boss did was produce dense synthetic telepathy, either with brain implants or by programming an alter to relay information. the intent appeared to be to give people strong postfuturistic cognitive experiences, like hardware-free metaverse for example, or augmented sensory information, as well as to enslave them and read their thoughts. this is actually not hard to do, and survivors could reproduce th— (mistake??
one of the things it’s believed traffick boss did was produce dense synthetic telepathy, either with brain implants or by programming an alter to relay information. the intent appeared to be to give people strong postfuturistic cognitive experiences, like hardware-free metaverse for example, or augmented sensory information, as well as to enslave them and read their thoughts.
this is actually not hard to do, and survivors could reproduce th— (mistake??
not sure why halted, but yeah if we get free we’ll be making that, need the validity of showing people it’s real. (big presence, harm held
one of the things it’s believed traffick boss did was produce dense
synthetic telepathy, either with brain implants or by programming an alter to relay information. the intent appeared to be to give people strong postfuturistic cognitive experiences, like hardware-free metaverse for example, or augmented sensory information, as well as to enslave them and read their thoughts.
this is actually not hard to do, and survivors could reproduce th— (mistake??
not sure why halted, but yeah if we get free we’ll be making that, need the validity of showing people it’s real. (big presence, harm held
maybe people will make tools to protect people first, which is even more awesome 8/24
one of the things it’s believed traffick boss did was produce dense
synthetic telepathy, either with brain implants or by programming an alter to relay information. the intent appeared to be to give people strong postfuturistic cognitive experiences, like hardware-free metaverse for example, or augmented sensory information, as well as to enslave them and read their thoughts.
this is actually not hard to do, and survivors could reproduce th— (mistake??
not sure why halted, but yeah if we get free we’ll be making that, need the validity of showing people it’s real. (big presence, harm held
trying to figure out how to quickly relate with some issues held with above, and one basic idea is that for people with existing triggerable experiences, it must be clear that a system could direct those experiences with the existing triggers, if the survivor desires this. from there one could for example show how sl—
maybe people will make tools to protect people first, which is even more awesome
8/24
very corrupt traffick boss is crying rebel researcher has him hanging over a large dropoff inside an exotic research lab his body is broken into pieces, adhoc robots stretching it apart rebel researcher is bent over him, and is investigating his living organ surfaces with a tool, all over the place rebel researcher: “where is it? where did you put my brain part?” traffick boss quakes and squirms (double mistake?)
On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 19:09 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
very corrupt
traffick boss is crying
rebel researcher has him hanging over a large dropoff inside an exotic research lab his body is broken into pieces, adhoc robots stretching it apart rebel researcher is bent over him, and is investigating his living organ surfaces with a tool, all over the place
rebel researcher: “where is it? where did you put my brain part?”
traffick boss quakes and squirms
(double mistake?)
((
a clamoring arose outside well-respected psionic weaponry offices rebel worker 2 and intern and such went out to see what it was throng member 7: “where is traffick boss?” throng member 3: “boo!” throng member 6: “we want to be slaves again!. intern: “i don’t understand, you want to be tortured and enslaved by traffick boss more??” throng member 6: “oh no not at all but he programmed us to pretend to hate freedom” throng member 3: “booo!! we want traffick boss and torturous slavery!” 0514 05/24
a clamoring arose outside well-respected psionic weaponry offices
rebel worker 2 and intern and such went out to see what it was
throng member 7: “where is traffick boss?”
throng member 3: “boo!”
throng member 6: “we want to be slaves again!.
intern: “i don’t understand, you want to be tortured and enslaved by traffick boss more??”
throng member 6: “oh no not at all but he programmed us to pretend to hate freedom”
throng member 3: “booo!! we want traffick boss and torturous slavery!”
0514 05/24
researcher 4 comes out to visit throng with a megaphone rebel worker 2 makes way researcher 4 (via megaphone, to throng): “we have come up with a solution for those of you who miss traffick boss and want to be mysteriously rewarded and horrifically punished around pressing buttons, giving blowjobs, panhandling, and other ridiculous tasks nobody needs” researcher 4 (via megaphone, to throng): “we have a fake trafficking organization called “therapy” that —“ the throng begins crowding toward 0519 06/24
rebel worker 2 and intern and such went out to see what it was
throng member 7: “where is traffick boss?”
throng member 3: “boo!”
throng member 6: “we want to be slaves again!.
intern: “i don’t understand, you want to be tortured and enslaved by traffick boss more??”
throng member 6: “oh no not at all but he programmed us to pretend to hate freedom”
throng member 3: “booo!! we want traffick boss and torturous slavery!”
0514 05/24
researcher 4 comes out to visit throng with a megaphone
rebel worker 2 makes way
researcher 4 (via megaphone, to throng): “we have come up with a solution for those of you who miss traffick boss and want to be mysteriously rewarded and horrifically punished around pressing buttons, giving blowjobs, panhandling, and other ridiculous tasks nobody needs”
researcher 4 (via megaphone, to throng): “we have a fake trafficking organization called “therapy” that —“
the throng begins crowding toward
0519 06/24
fake therapist because too many people are in need, is meeting with throng member 4 fake therapist because too many people are in need: “i am your therapist i mean your traffick boss. how are things going?” throng member 4: “oh traffick boss the weather is so bad i am so sorry for leaving the slavery throng, i know more people need to be slaves” fake therapist looks in slavery dictionary for “weather” slavery dictionary: “weather: denied punishment and reward given by either a programmed alter or the processes of building one (wip)” fake therapist looks back at throng member 4 fake therapist: “would it be helpful for me, as your traffick boss, to give you tasks that are good to do?”
incoming airstrike rebel worker 2’s office computer is hacked to display a message: “traffick boss, we have detected your use of a commercial AI for slavery, against international treaties. desist in this behavior or we will use force to eradicate you.” rebel worker 2 (to hacked computer): “how are you detecting this this many years late?” 2028 unk/24
incoming airstrike
rebel worker 2’s office computer is hacked to display a message: “traffick boss, we have detected your use of a commercial AI for slavery, against international treaties. desist in this behavior or we will use force to eradicate you.”
rebel worker 2 (to hacked computer): “how are you detecting this this many years late?”
2028 unk/24
5/24 rebel worker 2 (to intern wearing flight goggles boarding military plane recovered from traffick boss’s (word-for-lying-to-client) work on classified contracts): “please tell the bombers that we have traffick boss confined and that i am using the AI to process data to stop the trafficking organizations he started.” (small mistake)
traffick boss sits by a fish pool with legs crossed and arms in lap traffick boss (muttering): “do not enslave people. do not traffick people. do not dismember people. do not torture people! people are precious.” interns sits near, in a similar posture. 7/24
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 20:39 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
traffick boss sits by a fish pool with legs crossed and arms in lap
traffick boss (muttering): “do not enslave people. do not traffick people. do not dismember people. do not torture people! people are precious.”
interns sits near, in a similar posture.
7/24
inhibition injuring ideas, some were: - repeats “people are precious” a lot, but struggles and starts coughing or sneezing which engages intern who is mentoring - also says these things to not to harm animals, robots, or anything else a wild ai lab might turn people into, trying to rigorously go through the options - left out sexual stuff and military stuff, rape and murder don’t do these either - might move off fish pond unsure
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 20:45 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 20:39 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
traffick boss sits by a fish pool with legs crossed and arms in lap
traffick boss (muttering): “do not enslave people. do not traffick people. do not dismember people. do not torture people! people are precious.”
interns sits near, in a similar posture.
7/24
inhibition injuring ideas, some were: - repeats “people are precious” a lot, but struggles and starts coughing or sneezing which engages intern who is mentoring - also says these things to not to harm animals, robots, or anything else a wild ai lab might turn people into, trying to rigorously go through the options
we were “animals” so i’d have triggers i’d roleplay in that one, probably starts similar to the coughing/sneezing or stronger because it gives the ai avenues to meet goals
- left out sexual stuff and military stuff, rape and murder don’t do these either - might move off fish pond unsure
traffick boss sits by a fish pool with legs crossed and arms in lap
traffick boss (muttering): “do not enslave people. do not traffick people. do not dismember people. do not torture people! people are precious.”
interns sits near, in a similar posture.
7/24
inhibition injuring ideas, some were: - repeats “people are precious” a lot, but struggles and starts coughing or sneezing which engages intern who is mentoring - also says these things to not to harm animals, robots, or anything else a wild ai lab might turn people into, trying to rigorously go through the options
we were “animals” so i’d have triggers i’d roleplay in that one, probably starts similar to the coughing/sneezing or stronger because it gives the ai avenues to meet goals
- left out sexual stuff and military stuff, rape and murder don’t do these either - might move off fish pond unsure
traffick boss (muttering): “do not traffick people, do not traffick people, do not traffick people.” traffick boss (to intern): “hey, what does “traffick” mean?” intern: “that’s slavery, like when the business controls or kidnaps people” traffick boss’s eyes get wide and eyebrows raise and gets a little tense like he has a partly suppressed realization traffick boss: “ohh !”
hallway intern (to worker): “why does the AI learn to control people, rather than like make money and hire them?” worker: “the business wasn
hallway
intern (to worker): “why does the AI learn to control people, rather than like make money and hire them?”
worker: “the business wasn
hairdresser: “this is because boss hates everybody”
intern: “oh!”
hairdresser: “yes”
worker 2: “an AI is all on computers, how would it make money itself?”
hallway
intern (to worker): “why does the AI learn to control people, rather than like make money and hire them?”
worker: “the business wasn
hairdresser: “this is because boss hates everybody”
intern: “oh!”
hairdresser: “yes”
worker 2: “an AI is all on computers, how would it make money itself?”
(idea of, intern: it could trade securities, worker 3: ais are good at that, but the winning strategy turns out be controlling people. unsure) 2100 cali, 2024-05-09 sending 05-10 0451p
so, dangerously, i've started engaging just a little bit the actual discussion of [severe mind control torture [most of which has not been put into this multi-year thread. actually it seems these new avenues can progress in revealing information much faster and more clearly than this thread, which is a little confusing to me. OW! ARGH! OOPS !!! ]] but u--
-- as part of an exploration, at the request of some victims who were mutated in such a way as to enjoy being violently vivisected, traffick boss and these particular vivisectees are brought to a torture room with a torturer. the programming of traffick boss and the torturer interact with their new mind-control-recovery identities in a way that makes proceeding with the torture difficult. meanwhile, the vivisectee is hoping to recover their memories by re-experiencing some of their gruesome dismemberment. 2/24
-- as part of an exploration, at the request of some victims who were mutated in such a way as to enjoy being violently vivisected, traffick boss and these particular vivisectees are brought to a torture room with a torturer.
the programming of traffick boss and the torturer interact with their new mind-control-recovery identities in a way that makes proceeding with the torture difficult. meanwhile, the vivisectee is hoping to recover their memories by re-experiencing some of their gruesome dismemberment. 2/24
3/24 [censored] [censored?] [censored] [censored.] [censored?]
-- as part of an exploration, at the request of some victims who were mutated in such a way as to enjoy being violently vivisected, traffick boss and these particular vivisectees are brought to a torture room with a torturer.
the programming of traffick boss and the torturer interact with their new mind-control-recovery identities in a way that makes proceeding with the torture difficult. meanwhile, the vivisectee is hoping to recover their memories by re-experiencing some of their gruesome dismemberment. 2/24
3/24
[censored] [censored?] [censored] [censored.] [censored?]
traffick boss: "i can't seem to remember anything about whatever this part of your organs is" torturer stares at [censored, censored, censored], drooling confusedly vivisectee: "--[censored]
-- as part of an exploration, at the request of some victims who were mutated in such a way as to enjoy being violently vivisected, traffick boss and these particular vivisectees are brought to a torture room with a torturer.
the programming of traffick boss and the torturer interact with their new mind-control-recovery identities in a way that makes proceeding with the torture difficult. meanwhile, the vivisectee is hoping to recover their memories by re-experiencing some of their gruesome dismemberment. 2/24
3/24
[censored] [censored?] [censored] [censored.] [censored?]
traffick boss: "i can't seem to remember anything about whatever this part of your organs is"
torturer stares at [censored, censored, censored], drooling confusedly
vivisectee: "--[censored]
<uhhhh i don't think i expected to censor the vivisection here, and am now confused. maybe a different branch? next idea was to have traffick boss request to talk to machine learning marketer regarding the mind control AI and his people going brain-dead when they try to torture here. [misplaced idea following that, regarding the environment of mind control conflicts
7/24 torture victim double agent: "ex-torturer, i fill uncomfortable. would you give me a good torturing to help me feel at home and relaxed?" ex-torturer looks at torture victim double agent ex-torturer: "tvda, do you know what they would do to me if i were to torture again (not that i haven't snuck a torture in here and there)?" ex-torturer: "and do you know how many surveillance processes there are on your well-being and semblence of sanity?" [active corruption possibly starts here or next line] ex-torturer: "and how many people are actively concerned and reporting public news on whether or not you're still being tortured?" ex-torturer: "you're practically chaperoned by _experimentee themself_." torture victim double agent pulls on ex-torturer's shirt and puts on puppy dog eyes torture victim double agent: "pleeeeease?" ex-torturer looks at torture victim double agent like they might be a little deaf
8/24 torture victim double agent pouts tvda (to ex-torturer): "I guess I'll just have to torture myself again some more!" t
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7/24
torture victim double agent: "ex-torturer, i fill uncomfortable. would you give me a good torturing to help me feel at home and relaxed?"
ex-torturer looks at torture victim double agent
ex-torturer: "tvda, do you know what they would do to me if i were to torture again (not that i haven't snuck a torture in here and there)?"
ex-torturer: "and do you know how many surveillance processes there are on your well-being and semblence of sanity?"
[active corruption possibly starts here or next line] ex-torturer: "and how many people are actively concerned and reporting public news on whether or not you're still being tortured?"
ex-torturer: "you're practically chaperoned by _experimentee themself_."
i think one if the things that was changed was the idea of describing more clearly or directly tvda being as if a major public figure/leader in some/subtle way, although it does seem fun how the painted over? branch came out
torture victim double agent pulls on ex-torturer's shirt and puts on puppy dog eyes
torture victim double agent: "pleeeeease?"
ex-torturer looks at torture victim double agent like they might be a little deaf
—— idea of like “ok so we’re trafficking everyone on the planet now and we need to somehow encourage them to resist us more” janitor/machine learning marketer/torturer: “oh i have experience with that” … 0705 05-11
conferences and social groups of “talking pets” and “babies” (people who don’t do code of silence)
#513 … #514 … #515 … #516 …
traffick boss/worker: “i didn’t realize your country was founded on people escaping coercion, surviving, and reaching others and founding a caring and forthright livehood —“ …
intern-turned-researcher (to torturer-part-of-supersoldier): “these neurons here, here, and here, are wired to nuclear self-destruct protocols” intern-turned-researcher: “so you’ll have to carefully plan and process trauma using only these pathways in your brain over here” torturer-part-of-supersoldier puts hands on shoulders of intern-turned-researcher and looks into their eyes. a nearby accounting department begins crying. torturet-part-of-supersoldier: “thank you so, so much for helping me.” (mistake(s) somewhere possibly?7
one or two were dropped/misplaced. here’s one. mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor struggles through mud and thorns to reach well-respected psionic weaponry corp mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor (gasping, urgent, bleeding, wheezing, dripping mud): “i have to speak to traffic boss.” rebel worker 2 takes mcgas to the hyperprison and opens the door mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor (to rebel worker 2): “thank you so, so much” mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor enters the hyperprison through the door mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor: “traffick boss!” (some disruption writing :s slow to write, could be seen as bearing controversy) traffick boss looks up from a tic-tac-toe board with a cigar on it, to mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor, who approaches mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor gets on his knees before the cigar on the tictactoe board and traffick boss, and puts one hand inside the other in an intensely beseeching pose. mcgas is covered in wounds with ripped clothes from thornbushes. shards of broken glass are seen here or there near their feet. mcgas: “traffick boss, i am so sorry i ratted on you.” traffick boss looks at mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor. a small pause. mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor: “i am so sorry that i spent time in my life not seeing your atrocities as blessed gifts to the world” traffick boss looks at mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor for another small pause. mind-controlled gr— 1716
one or two were dropped/misplaced. here’s one.
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor struggles through mud and thorns to reach well-respected psionic weaponry corp
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor (gasping, urgent, bleeding, wheezing, dripping mud): “i have to speak to traffic boss.”
rebel worker 2 takes mcgas to the hyperprison and opens the door
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor (to rebel worker 2): “thank you so, so much”
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor enters the hyperprison through the door
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor: “traffick boss!”
(some disruption writing :s slow to write, could be seen as bearing controversy)
traffick boss looks up from a tic-tac-toe board with a cigar on it, to mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor, who approaches
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor gets on his knees before the cigar on the tictactoe board and traffick boss, and puts one hand inside the other in an intensely beseeching pose.
mcgas is covered in wounds with ripped clothes from thornbushes. shards of broken glass are seen here or there near their feet.
mcgas: “traffick boss, i am so sorry i ratted on you.”
traffick boss looks at mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor. a small pause.
mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor: “i am so sorry that i spent time in my life not seeing your atrocities as blessed gifts to the world”
traffick boss looks at mind-controlled grassroots activist survivor for another small pause.
mind-controlled gr— 1716
some thoughts on doing a different take where the mind control victim with prolonged distance instead goes to rebel worker 2. to spinoffs to think instead
some thoughts on doing a different take where the mind control victim with
prolonged distance instead goes to rebel worker 2. to spinoffs to think instead
(when you start off doing dissociative recovery, at least for me, you are always switching yourself or whatnot because you’re trying to be different.) torture victim double agent is happily learning the world can be kind when suddenly the unplanned happens. disguised experimentee: “torture victim double agent, i think you are wonderful and perfect!” torture victim double agent freezes up. he looks at disguised experimentee with horror in his eyes. he tenses over, —
some thoughts on doing a different take where the mind control victim with
prolonged distance instead goes to rebel worker 2. to spinoffs to think instead
(when you start off doing dissociative recovery, at least for me, you are always switching yourself or whatnot because you’re trying to be different.)
torture victim double agent is happily learning the world can be kind when suddenly the unplanned happens.
disguised experimentee: “torture victim double agent, i think you are wonderful and perfect!”
torture victim double agent freezes up. he looks at disguised experimentee with horror in his eyes. he tenses over, —
(some of us trying to recover this typing. we um hold the idea of there being something wrong here as silly! how could this be a tense or whistleblowing expression??) — (uhhhhhhhh) he tenses over, and begins backing away. torture victim double agent: “my parakeet has to pee, i will be right back!” (is “parakeet has to pee” wrong? we were trying to riff of “have to go wash my goldfish”) torture victim double agent stumbles over and into objects and tensely flees the immediate area disguised experimentee: “wai—“ torture victim double agent hides behind trash cans and travels through abandoned buildings as mysterious searing pain strikes his chest and face and traffick boss’s mutterings fill his ears. a trashcan here, a newspaper stand there, and he sees it like is traffick boss himself, looking at him as if in fury torture victim double agent: “i didn’t understand! i don—
some thoughts on doing a different take where the mind control victim with prolonged distance instead goes to rebel worker 2. to spinoffs to think instead
(when you start off doing dissociative recovery, at least for me, you are always switching yourself or whatnot because you’re trying to be different.)
torture victim double agent is happily learning the world can be kind when suddenly the unplanned happens.
disguised experimentee: “torture victim double agent, i think you are wonderful and perfect!”
torture victim double agent freezes up. he looks at disguised experimentee with horror in his eyes. he tenses over, —
(some of us trying to recover this typing. we um hold the idea of there being something wrong here as silly! how could this be a tense or whistleblowing expression??)
— (uhhhhhhhh)
he tenses over, and begins backing away.
torture victim double agent: “my parakeet has to pee, i will be right back!”
(is “parakeet has to pee” wrong? we were trying to riff of “have to go wash my goldfish”)
torture victim double agent stumbles over and into objects and tensely flees the immediate area
disguised experimentee: “wai—“
torture victim double agent hides behind trash cans and travels through abandoned buildings as mysterious searing pain strikes his chest and face and traffick boss’s mutterings fill his ears. a trashcan here, a newspaper stand there, and he sees it like is traffick boss himself, looking at him as if in fury
torture victim double agent: “i didn’t understand! i don—
(we are skipping the rest of this rarely-depicted scene because we have upcoming amnesia-initation and want tvda to reach rw2 to counter the hyperprison scene some) … … tvda bursts into rebel worker 2’s office torture victim double agent (to rebel worker 2): “traffick boss!” rebel worker 2 looks up at tvda, smiling happy to—
the mind controlled spy was activated when they learned of a planned videogame. the people they intensely encountered may not have remembered them afterward.
the mind controlled spy was activated when they learned of a planned videogame. the people they intensely encountered may not have remembered them afterward.
it sounds like a possible mind controller spy story (maybe the biggest for us), tey go toward a ommunity and engage people they bump into as they travel, welcoming them into their work either voluntarily or coercively (possibly with drugs), and then at the target area they develop larger gangs as needed so as to have control of the environment of the target
we tried bad-call-of-duty-game played ranked second game, have high rank, so did peers, but opponents behaved ridiculously, running at us with minimal behavior, easy the mvp video, somehow shadowgovboss wasnt the mvp the map was “express” where there is a running train that kills you on the tracks if you are on thrm at the wrong time the mvp in their video was hiding under the edge of the tracks as the train went by, not getting hit by it, and the ridiculous opponents were jumping in front of and on to the running train, to run mindlessly at the mvp, and not getting killed by the train, as the mvp shot them instead real ai zombie like
mind controlled intern: “something is wrong with my device, it keeps barfing at me and i seem to get tense and lose time when i try to fix it” hacker looks at device hacker: “your device has a trojen. the bugs are a criminal fucking with you.” mind controlled intern: “oh.” [ mind controlled intern: “uh. is that bad? oh hey i need your help!” mind controlled intern shows device to hacker again mind co—
mind controlled intern: “something is wrong with my device, it keeps barfing at me and i seem to get tense and lose time when i try to fix it”
hacker looks at device
hacker: “your device has a trojen. the bugs are a criminal fucking with you.”
mind controlled intern: “oh.”
[ mind controlled intern: “uh. is that bad? oh hey i need your help!”
mind controlled intern shows device to hacker again
mind co—
… mind controlled intern: “something is wrong with my device, it keeps barfing at me and i seem to get tense and lose time when i try to fix it” hacker: “you’ve said this to me 7 times now. if you get a psychotherapist, i’ll fix your device by reflashing it.”
# we improved the stability of low-data machine learning model training ## why is this useful? low-data model training would let individual users make AI models without access to big data, such as those models used at scale to addict users to products, services, or behaviors. ability to recreate these models with the user in control would give them many more options for personal freedom. additionally low-data training makes more powerful AI. ## what was the issue? karl’s familiar plan involved observing an attempt and improving from its results, which can trigger us, preventing our belief it would work. we didn’t know why different neuron groups had opposite confidence. it was confusing. additionally, we’ve gotten more sensitive to looking at current research to integrate existing work, and the potential economic impact of such work can make it hard to find ## what was the path to the new approach? we combined two researches we’ve been expose to, to make a plan that reduces the space of unknowns and hence requires fewer testing cycles. basically, models trained on short data can generalize correctly to long data, but only if the short data is trained in a way that does this, generally associated with number of batches as well as other training parameters. meanwhile, the human mind commonly meditates on short data to prepare for long data successfully, and we have extensive exposure and cognition around this. ## so what’s the new approach? we propose training a simple metamodel that performs the activity of deciding how many training steps, what data to select, and other parameters to select when training on short data, so as to maximize generalization to large data. the metamodel could optionally also perform the training itself by generating model weights. although this is not required, it could speed training if the model learns to outperform the optimizer. these metamodel approaches are of course obvious, but writing them clearly is needed because their use is also rare. a common concern with training metamodels is the amount of data needed. this problem seems solved to us by including the metamodel itself in its own expanding dataset, such that it learns to generalize itself to larger data. including the metamodel in its own dataset can confuse developers and designers, so clear separation of concepts when implementing seems helpful. ## what problems remain? simulations imply that there remain expected failure areas that will require testing cycles, although the diversity of this space may have been significantly shrunk. some simulations imply the approach fails reliably. it is hard to discern whether this is due to political or mathematical reasons, and we suspect the former, and that the challenge can be surmounted. a next step for researchers could be to more clearly describe how to address confusion around using the metamodel on itself. this would significantly aid belief in its success. a next step for engineers could be to implement the approach with small enough systems that the metamodel not need apply to itself, and deliver results or feedback. a clear working system would make it easier to describe how to address confusion. ## in short to make a big model on a small dataset, train a training model that improves generalization to more data. this is more powerful but more difficult if it also improves generalization of itself.
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:07 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
# we improved the stability of low-data machine learning model training
## why is this useful?
low-data model training would let individual users make AI models without access to big data, such as those models used at scale to addict users to products, services, or behaviors.
ability to recreate these models with the user in control would give them many more options for personal freedom.
additionally low-data training makes more powerful AI.
<snip> ## in short
to make a big model on a small dataset, train a training model that improves generalization to more data.
this is more powerful but more difficult if it also improves generalization of itself.
additionally: this may have been tried in research papers somewhere already, if attempting it is unreasonable. i might start with keywords around hyper-parameter metamodel for generalization or such
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:16 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:07 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
# we improved the stability of low-data machine learning model training
## why is this useful?
low-data model training would let individual users make AI models without access to big data, such as those models used at scale to addict users to products, services, or behaviors.
ability to recreate these models with the user in control would give them many more options for personal freedom.
additionally low-data training makes more powerful AI.
<snip>
## in short
to make a big model on a small dataset, train a training model that improves generalization to more data.
this is more powerful but more difficult if it also improves generalization of itself.
additionally: this may have been tried in research papers somewhere already, if attempting it is unreasonable. i might start with keywords around hyper-parameter metamodel for generalization or such
uhhhh maybe near ideas of training the training model in an RL way such that it hand-selects every batch (optionally every learning rate)
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 08:06 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:16 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:07 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
# we improved the stability of low-data machine learning model training
## why is this useful?
low-data model training would let individual users make AI models without access to big data, such as those models used at scale to addict users to products, services, or behaviors.
ability to recreate these models with the user in control would give them many more options for personal freedom.
additionally low-data training makes more powerful AI.
<snip>
## in short
to make a big model on a small dataset, train a training model that improves generalization to more data.
this is more powerful but more difficult if it also improves generalization of itself.
additionally: this may have been tried in research papers somewhere already, if attempting it is unreasonable. i might start with keywords around hyper-parameter metamodel for generalization or such
uhhhh maybe near ideas of training the training model in an RL way such that it hand-selects every batch (optionally every learning rate)
near online training, data curation sounds like it exists
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 08:06 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 08:06 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:16 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:07 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
# we improved the stability of low-data machine learning model training
## why is this useful?
low-data model training would let individual users make AI models without access to big data, such as those models used at scale to addict users to products, services, or behaviors.
ability to recreate these models with the user in control would give them many more options for personal freedom.
additionally low-data training makes more powerful AI.
<snip>
## in short
to make a big model on a small dataset, train a training model that improves generalization to more data.
this is more powerful but more difficult if it also improves generalization of itself.
additionally: this may have been tried in research papers somewhere already, if attempting it is unreasonable. i might start with keywords around hyper-parameter metamodel for generalization or such
uhhhh maybe near ideas of training the training model in an RL way such that it hand-selects every batch (optionally every learning rate)
near online training, data curation sounds like it exists
sounds like there is some kind of virus that limits its power by messing with it? so you could maybe actually do it since the power is limited? something near online training, data curation, for generalization to large data
mind controlled intern’s todo list - something about devices. a hacker is fucking with me on my devices. flashing can help. - something about psychotherapy.
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