On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:30:50PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

Was this a serious question?

No. This is a honeypot by the TIME(TM) police for illegal time travellers. You got caught somewhere in time ;)

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US Court of Appeals Rules Against Standing Rock Tribe in Dakota Access Pipeline Case

http://readersupportednews.org/pipeline.html

Prediction. Expect trouble.

Rr (Sage smudge and war paint at hand)

You said a mouthful right there. A battle was won, but in the material scope of the war at hand, it was a small battle. But Standing Rock was a transformational battle in that, although the tribal government remains careful to call it a "peaceful protest," everyone who was paying any real attention knows it morphed into an act of economic warfare, backed by battalion strength mobile infantry. By modern uber-mechanized warfare standards, that was four battalions just then. And they or their replacements will most likely be wanted at the front again - and at others as a Summer Of Discontent sets new record high NH temperatures and record low Arctic sea ice extents. We might that 2016 served to mobilize and integrate a network that will remain responsive, and continue to grow. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYa1XTAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqRAQIALnr7XeOrRXWikQZkT7HJvG+ usslh4owG8xZFq+jDW6NVCkeupsRBRSZDmtfGi9Vhnq6HxeBlzb8jEGisp/DDnvq OfVPWEMmdSAID4DNqCE8g+WCMo1H9BhWwRFfWvZIWPajG09pgdhs+z6BgHNZB+Do y05s1Vu5kpAWVzN0/C32oc85tWhTV2mSlygzDh1KZlXXpCkK9g9xdkyr4LdnDLdj MliLdSyrbl9GZFhEwtMhd8lSceiB9PtReMTsKzYCverwQwvvSZZfHXHBCsqOU5QB UVWj+kQCzwxQ15+lj5hP5rgYYvxeIUYqhsjA6mMxf7wXsiJxCEk20Dp9fE0/fZ8= =gKWp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:30:50PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

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Do you have predictions about 2017?

Someone will take down the grid, for teh lulz.

IMHO you deserve at least 0.1 prediction points for this: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/02/americas/us-customs-computer-outage/ A computer outage at US airports Monday evening left thousands of inbound international travelers stuck behind customs screening stations for hours on one of the busiest travel days of the year. That happened too soon...

On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:30:50PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

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Do you have predictions about 2017?

Bitcoin will hit $2017.

Bitcoin is over $4 500 now and passed $2 000 in early summer. I wish I had enough brain to follow smart punky hints...

On 08/17/2017 06:20 AM, John Newman wrote:

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On Aug 17, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 05:30:50PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

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Do you have predictions about 2017?

Bitcoin will hit $2017.

Bitcoin is over $4 500 now and passed $2 000 in early summer.

I wish I had enough brain to follow smart punky hints...

You and me both.

I wonder what really happened in that Bangkok jail cell to Alexandre Cazes.

And whatever happened to Thomas Clark aka Variety Jones? Has he been extradited from Thailand yet? I find nothing since a tweet in March.

On 08/23/2017 08:00 AM, grarpamp wrote:

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I wonder what really happened in that Bangkok jail cell to Alexandre Cazes.

Politically Assassinated.

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And whatever happened to Thomas Clark aka Variety Jones? Has he been extradited from Thailand yet? I find nothing since a tweet in March.

Free Talk Live 2015 09 27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9q0Ffvrh4c https://web.archive.org/web/20150906004929/https://keybase.io/varietyjones https://web.archive.org/web/20151004133310/http://varietyjones.com/ https://twitter.com/blockOperator

This is all old. There's a tweet from March 2017, saying that extradition to the US is immanent. But nothing since.

On 01/03/2017 06:49 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

How many conspiracy theorists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

We may never know the truth.

On 01/03/2017 08:38 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:26 AM, Razer mailto:g2s@riseup.net>wrote:

On 01/03/2017 06:49 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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How many conspiracy theorists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

We may never know the truth.

"I like my women like I like my Building 7... "

God, I remember I spent a good time trying to understand this joke the first time I read it ​, hahaha!​ ! ​;D​

(the answer is " ​...​ going down for no reason.")

Oh but there WAS a reason. Anyone familiar with the 'underground' of Manhattan or saw what happened to the Harkins Slough flyway on Highway one north of Watsonville California during the Loma Prieta Earthquake could explain it to someone who didn't have 'shit in their ears' and a mind full of shit to match.

Highway 1 over Harkins Slough dropped 30 feet to the ground below http://www.ksbw.com/article/loma-prieta-earthquake-25-years-later/1055157

The ground underneath it, right next to the slough, liquefied. Shock does that to mud, and everything in Manhattan below 14th st is mud, and a honeycomb of subway tunnels, boiler rooms, underground passageways, and building substructures just as deep as the building are tall, and the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7. It's really that simple. Even a child, or someone STOOPID could understand it, but truthers are WAY beyond Stoopid... Mental midgets. And they like it like that. Because if they admitted to themselves that THEIR VERY WAY OF LIFE was responsible for 9/11, they'd have no way to cope with the responsibility. So they make shit up, and stuff it in their ears. Imperialism 101: http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/imperialism.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Justice_of_Roosting_Chickens http://www.kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/s11/churchill.html Rr

On 01/03/2017 09:57 PM, grarpamp wrote:

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Razer mailto:g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

passageways, and building substructures just as deep as the building are tall, and the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7.

​The lately quiescent Cryptome could probably speak to this technicality. ​

I saw them on twitter with an RFD (request for dox) the other day. Just sleeping... My point being it's truly impossible to tell why 7 or the towers themselves fell or why they did in exactly the manner they did and it's really mental masturbation and evasion of, as Frank Zappa said: "The crux of the biscuit... (Why?) ...without a map if the physical area under the whole lower tip of Manhattan historically back to the beginning of the industrial revolution, supercomputers, geological physics http://www.abdn.ac.uk/ncs/departments/physics/physics-with-geology-bsc-223.p... specialists, et al I've seen some of that 'underground b/c I'm originally from NY, with a lot of time spent wanderer around in Manhattan. There are old unused crosstown subway 'ghost stations' (or there were), and an operational infrastructure under the streets and buildings literally as deep as the buildings are tall. The lower end of Manhattan was Peter Stuyvesant's sheep grazing (?) spread originally, and the bottom at the the WTC and the Battery Ferry area, mud flats where they harvested clams. The whole island of Manhattan is a literal honeycomb underground Uptown, the Empire State building used to give a tour to journos (only... no civilians... no pictures) every few years to view it's substructure... It's mounted on shock absorbers you know? Three story tall shock absorbers, and a city under it that maintains power, heating boilers, repair shops and other facilities. I don't think they give that tour anymore... Rr

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:01:56 -0800 Razer wrote:

... and the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7.

I submit that as evidence suggesting that "rayzer" is a gov't agent. And a pretty stupid one at that. A quick search for "wtc7 mud liquefied" doesn't return anything relevant so it would seem that rayzer's anti conspiracy nutcassery is original to him. Though admitedly I didn't spend more than 10 seconds searching.

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On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:01:56 -0800 Razer wrote:

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... and the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7.

I submit that as evidence suggesting that "rayzer" is a gov't agent. And a pretty stupid one at that.

A quick search for "wtc7 mud liquefied" doesn't return anything relevant so it would seem that rayzer's anti conspiracy nutcassery is original to him. Though admitedly I didn't spend more than 10 seconds searching.

The official excuse for WTC 7's symmetrical collapse is that the side of the building /not/ shown clearly in photos was "scooped out" by falling debris. (The photos I have seen do indicate substantial damage to the facade from falling debris.) This is not consistent with a symmetrical collapse as observed - the support columns destroyed by the "scoop" provided no vertical support, so the load was distributed unevenly and the building would have sagged in that direction when it lost global structural integrity. But never mind that, the words "pancake collapse" and some animated cartoons prove it fell straight down into its own basement all by itself. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYcaAVAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq+DUH+gI1R8LP8uSed0R9EBrR46mS 5xzMHzIZLbect7k6u5cCcCPijPPc4t7cgidQ5He4X+NTihe+YXXhMxFmsR+BFb7x NZStdIE3RGIf9UfAVmkWb4HVbcRVQKPgX+veG+5zliRJHShRconyRqDTv020VEi3 dVRrgqy+B7tbBgauG6EMakNmEno/wrZMLV8wX0swD4tF8VaIQTbQM36b0+RhiW8C g1BcOQ4n6Fk0DMXi7VupEQ4SIroyDw3IyWm2kELcoxmJY+ryRjIIGM2liRbu55io j0ajmL3o2GR1iInmi3Y2fUOP3efjipTBjM9pBeeEXSL3byesNF3cogf5IPcOSYA= =BwY/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On 1/8/2017 12:12 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

The official excuse for WTC 7's symmetrical collapse is that the side of the building /not/ shown clearly in photos was "scooped out" by falling debris. (The photos I have seen do indicate substantial damage to the facade from falling debris.) This is not consistent with a symmetrical collapse as observed - the support columns destroyed by the "scoop" provided no vertical support, so the load was distributed unevenly and the building would have sagged in that direction when it lost global structural integrity.

I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse. The building looked as if it had been chewed on by giant rats, with great big holes all over the place, and was on fire, hence its collapse is no great mystery.

On 01/08/2017 05:42 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:56:35PM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:

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I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

The building looked as if it had been chewed on by giant rats, with great big holes all over the place, and was on fire, hence its collapse is no great mystery. No matter what color of the hats of the "terrists" was/is, why the 'mericans celebrate Patriot Day(tm) exactly on this day?

Their sickyourity was fucked and the wikipedia page about this is unparseble for me.

Is there other conspiracy theory besides "inducing fear in sheeple"?

The real fear for US society's 'planners' and the people who reap almost all the wealth from those plans is that Americans will come to understand that their lifestyles, based on extractive resource looting and wars that further that looting when an amenable strongman ruler can't be installed, is responsible, with few to zero 'degrees of separation', for people who have nothing left to live for and given a plane ticket/box-cutters, flying airplanes into US skyscrapers as revenge. Charismatic figure like Osama entirely optional. Just ask the Muslim who drives his truck into a crowd of people if anyone actually instructed him or cajoled him to do that. BigPharma couldn't pump out enough mood meds to keep US citizens going to work everyday like nothing was going on if that little bit of personal responsibility-related information spread like a meme in the American consciousness. Rr

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On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 09:56:35PM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:

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I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

The building looked as if it had been chewed on by giant rats, with great big holes all over the place, and was on fire, hence its collapse is no great mystery.

No matter what color of the hats of the "terrists" was/is, why the 'mericans celebrate Patriot Day(tm) exactly on this day?

Their sickyourity was fucked and the wikipedia page about this is unparseble for me.

Is there other conspiracy theory besides "inducing fear in sheeple"?

In their position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses, the PNAC folks said that their plan for global domination could not be effectively implemented absent a "galvanizing event" like a new Pearl Harbor. Soon after its publication, the PNAC team took over the White House at the cost of a stolen election and all the fuss and bother that goes with. (Gore won Florida by at least 30k votes, per a press funded recount that took months to complete; nobody saw any advantage in publishing them under banner headlines, so very few people saw the story .) - From the "man in the street" who told a TV news crew not only what he just saw (excuse me, "witnessed") but also why the instant global mechanical failure of the towers happened, to the swift and complete destruction of the crime scene at the cost of many workers' lives, everything about the 911 narrative points to deception and concealment. Not to mention happy coincidences: Secretary Rumsfeld announced that trillions of dollars were unaccounted for by the Pentagon, then a missile (excuse me, airliner) scored a direct hit on the office of the auditors chasing the missing funds. That "man in the street" who launched the first 911 Big Lie? He happens to have also been on the scene at an "active shooter" event at an airport just a couple of years ago, where he was "man on the scene" interviewed by a TV news crew: Another of those remarkable coincidences that - absent prompt, competent and well funded investigation - mean nothing and sink below the noise floor of history at once. People who are deeply invested in the well known false narrative, or in their favorite flavors of independent analysis, are welcome to jump in and prove me right or wrong all day long. I know better than to believe that definitive answers will be found, except where and as they are custom built to meet the builder's requirements. My own estimate of what happened leaves LOTS of room for uncertainties, and the only map of the world affected is my very own. How long did it take for the story of how FDR's Administration provoked the Japanese to declare war, and set Pearl Harbor up for a big fall, to become common knowledge? Trick question: That still hasn't happened, and it won't. Folks in a position to prevent it from happening want to be able to use the same tricks again. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYcpolAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuqo2oH/j/58eE2Fhkf9n5gq3KVRinM Dhcv9agbIk4YWBIK+X+13DQfti41jpRDF/5hHzvxTFkPXYNA15jHO8VOCEeR7XeX 6PVsY9DSRKjFkIcpgnX8W4J1vl7fb5mxtDgFrTPWbdfQUMIdTBCWvfNVabSn6XHa o2uBzwoOTvMAmW92hhtmzF5nL2LXGR3KtxOfO/8425Sda8atw7e2gGxfWf1TO6Rv /5O/9ffPS0eoYkxLAh38zRbxY2zMbOLj/aMnpu5DqWmUZffSWN3JwcHYWO6+XWKw LWtXZ/VZZOOuW1nRAZzn1K6wqW7nK5UB6MwQuVZuFWZSzAlmizlEG8iB3ZPlcWY= =I/4n -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 09:51:52 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

On 1/9/2017 5:59 AM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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In their position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses, the PNAC folks said that their plan for global domination could not be effectively implemented absent a "galvanizing event" like a new Pearl Harbor.

The globalists made hay out of 9/11, just as the Nazis made hay out of the burning of the Reichstag.

Nonetheless, Stalin, not Hitler, really did torch the Reichstag.

Yep. And giant rats ate wtc7. 'We' are waiting for the evidence you are supposed to provide James. You made a claim, now prove it. Meanwhile, even your government acknowledges the fact that they need to provide an 'excuse' for the way wtc7 'imploded'. And the exuse is not "eaten by giant rats".

In part regarding flavor of WTC 7 that started this thread... # 9/11: Decade of Deception / The Toronto Hearings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiVv8tQdmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rSJZqMwNoY https://pressfortruth.ca/ On the tenth anniversary of the Attacks of September 11th, 2001, expert witnesses gathered at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada to provide evidence-based research that called into question the official story of 9/11. This was known as The Toronto Hearings on 9/11. Over a period of four days, these experts in Structural Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, and History gave researched and professional testimony to an international panel of distinguished judges. The panel of judges, in conjunction with the steering committee would go on to publish their final analysis of the evidence provided, which called for a new investigation into the Attacks of September 11th, 2001. # Incontrovertible - New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDQJscd5ba0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirWUviaZuo http://incontrovertible911evidence.co.uk/ Were you aware that any steel-framed building is now susceptible to sudden and total collapse? Official US findings have concluded that normal office fires burning over only a few floors and for only 6 hours, can cause total and catastrophic collapse leaving no time for evacuation. The building featured in this film fell from 47 storeys into just a few piles of rubble within 7 seconds. The cause is cited as thermal expansion acting upon connections around composite beams. What is more disturbing is the fact very few firefighters are aware of this problem. Not only that, hardly anything has been changed with building codes and regulations to prevent such a catastrophic failure again. Training has not been modified for fire crews, engineering has not been corrected. The silence has been deafening... How fast can you run? # What If the Official 9/11 Story Were True? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkDQuL-1Gk Two planes crashed, 3 buildings collapsed on 9/11 according to the official story. If true, how would it affect the risks to to public and to firefighters from burning buildings if minor fires alone could cause a steel building to collapse? Why has there been no change in firefighting procedures, no change in building codes, and no lawsuits if the official story is true? # Conspiratus Xendrius Channel 9/11- Irrefutable Evidence for the Demolitons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc # Rapid Debris / Evidence Liquidation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHZj6MGxRs # Larry Silverstein - Controlled Demo HE ADMITS THEY PULLED wtc7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeuQqP-NLnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsEGgc5L2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fhl5h86Qq0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#9.2F11_and_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973-2001)#Design_and_cons... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_and_recovery_effort_after_the_September... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:50:25 -0800 Razer wrote:

Because all these so-called 'experts' are affluent middle-class

that's how commie shitbags 'think' - if reality doesn't fit their deranged 'theories', then it's all a 'burgeois' 'conspiracy' And of course they love official conspiracy theories. Whatever the gov't says, it must be right. Especially regarding mud.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 15:19:15 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 02:56 PM, juan wrote:

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On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:50:25 -0800 Razer wrote:

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Because all these so-called 'experts' are affluent middle-class that's how commie shitbags 'think' - if reality doesn't fit their deranged 'theories', then it's all a 'burgeois' 'conspiracy'

Bourgeoisie denial and rationalization.

Yes, like I said. Anything that doesn't go along with your mudering commie dogma is burgeois conspiracy. FIDEL CASTRO SAYS SO. QOD.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 15:19:15 -0800 Razer wrote:

Reality bites (people making shit up ... on the ass). the fact that the subterranean structures in MUD under the buildings were undermined by the shock wave of a 255,000 lb aircraft

Perhaps a poll would be in order? How many people would think rayzer is a troll making shit up as ge goes? If some sort of magical mud magically liquified under a building, then the building would magically sink in a pool of mud. Especially when there are 'a couple' of videos showing a building that indeed seems to be 'sinking'. But then you'd find most of the intact building inside the 'mud'. Not a pile of rubble above ground. But hey razer, you are either literally deranged or a full time government troll. Or both. But your mud fantasies are waaayyy beyoend stupid. Why don't you go troll other fascists like you in shitter? That's your natural enviroment.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:22:36 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 03:35 PM, juan wrote:

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If some sort of magical mud magically liquified under a building, then the building would magically sink in a pool of mud. Especially when there are 'a couple' of videos showing a building that indeed seems to be 'sinking'.

Ok class. Here we have a tuning fork (A440) and a glass of water.

I know what resonance is, you motherfucking scumbag. Now prove that "the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7." Since that is what 'really' happened, it must be documented everywhere. Even in places like wikimierda. So go ahead, post the link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC7_SUNK_IN_BROWN_SHIT_POOL_RAYZERZZ_SAYZ_ZO Or are you claiming that you are a truther whose TRUE THEORY is BEING SUPPRESSED by a BURGEOIS CONSPIRACY?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:39:00 -0800 Razer wrote:

Because resonance is a universal physical principle. I have proved that (at least) the shock wave of a 255,000 lb 'tuning fork' striking the buildings nearby caused a resonance in the ground below which is mud with wood

The only thing you've proven so far is tha you are either a literal lunatic, or a very trolling troll. It's funny how you ranted against 'science' a while back but now are vomiting a string of lunatic, pseudo scientific nonsense. That would suggest that every single word you are spweing here is...trolling. So we have magical joo-kristian resonance generated because a planet hit a building. But, the hit buildings didn't magicall sink in magical joo mud themselves. Another building a couple of blocks away, magically sunk after a couple of hours. Is that how magical joo resonance works eh rayzer?

or metal sticks vertically inserted (pilings) and it affected the building's (the piece of paper or stir stick) stability, and the building we're discussing, already seriously damaged and unstable from that shock wave, eventually fell down, sort of like the piece of paper or stir stick would eventually bump the side of the glass.

No go fap yourself.

Rr

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Since that is what 'really' happened, it must be documented everywhere. Even in places like wikimierda. So go ahead, post the link :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTC7_SUNK_IN_BROWN_SHIT_POOL_RAYZERZZ_SAYZ_ZO

Or are you claiming that you are a truther whose TRUE THEORY is BEING SUPPRESSED by a BURGEOIS CONSPIRACY?

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:04:04 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 04:49 PM, juan wrote:

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It's funny how you ranted against 'science'

I don't rant against science. I rant against it's rigidness in the face of facts that should be altering it's formulation of facts, in the interests of the people who write their grants and paychecks. Industrial crapitalism.

Oh, I see that the burgeois conspiracy is really getting at you. On the other hand you are quite willing to use True Science to advance american corp-pentagon propaganda like you are doing here. (the evil arab terrists did it eh) I'm waiting for all the papers you and other lunatics like you wrote about the true cause of WTC7 collapse - JOO MUD MAGICAL RESONANCE. Come on rayser, share your science. Your discoveries are so amazing, you surely can get a few millions in grants which you can then send to cuba.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:28:45 -0800 Razer wrote:

You're probably are racist enough to think "Sand Niggers" (note the quotes) aren't smart enough to coordinate an attack like 9-11.

The fact that they can do it doesn't mean that they actually did it. You joo-amerikunts did it. Notice also the if 'terrists' attacks were retaliation for what you joo-amerikunts do all the time, then there would be at least a real, big, terrist attack every week. Yet there are none. What we see is a false flag attack every some years, to keep the sheep in line.

Did I mention that 9-11 truthers are typically also very very white, and very very closet racist?

that coming from a theocrayic joo - did I ever mentioned that you are your own, sorry, self parody?

Rr

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:10:25 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 05:37 PM, juan wrote:

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Notice also the if 'terrists' attacks were retaliation for what you joo-amerikunts do all the time, then there would be at least a real, big, terrist attack every week. Yet there are none.

There are three police agencies patrolling the downtown shopping district, and all they really do is keep tabs on the homeless population. You can extrapolate on that as to the manpower assigned to the 'war on terra' in 'Merica.

More truly crazy, fact-free commentary.

The reason there's no terrorist attack every week is because the US borders are buttoned down so tight you couldn't get a tube of hair gel into the states

Sure. That's also the reason why there are more than ten million 'illegal' immigrants in the US. Ten million ordinary people can cross the US borders, but arab terrists are too stupid to do it. So who's the anti-arab ("sand niggers") racist here?

without spending a day in the 'green room' at the airport

Ah yes. No doubt the only way for 'terrists' to enter the US is by plane. And they only would travel in first class. Because terrists like luxury.

or border and the only 'illegals' that make it into the US over the southern border are the ones who pay well-connected coyotes

Something that brain dead arab terrists could never do. They wouldn't have the money to do it either if they could read this list and get the idea. Keep trolling rayzer.

to bring them in and a few who try it on their own. Most of them end up dead and vulture-picked on Tohono O'Odham land in Arizona with the Border Patrol watching them die http://censored-news.blogspot.com/2007/09/spy-towers-on-tohono-oodham-land-m...

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:30:11 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 06:27 PM, juan wrote:

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More truly crazy, fact-free commentary. That's because you aren't looking out the window of the cafe I sit in at the moment or you could see them.

What would I see? The ~15 million 'ilegal' immigrants who can't cross the border, but they do anyway? Did I mention that tne only thing you do here is parrot propaganda from your nazi government? But the gov't you love so much rayzer is lying to you, It wasn't the arab terrists and their box cutters.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:43:21 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 06:37 PM, juan wrote:

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The ~15 million 'ilegal' immigrants who can't cross the border

DUDE! There MIGHT BE "~15 million 'ilegal' immigrants" in the country.

This is how stupid your trolling is "the only 'illegals' that make it into the US over the southern border are the ones who pay well-connected coyotes" That's something a bunch of cheap mexican mafiosos can do and at the same time it's well beyond the abilities of "sand niggers". Puzzling eh.

If there are they didn't all show up last week you know? The guy I share camp space with is from El Salvador and has been in the US for more than forty fucking years.

And he's the youngest illegal immigrant there is. The majority of them entered the US in the 19th century and they are still mowing your lawn. Capitalism keeps them alive.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 19:04:32 -0800 Razer wrote:

This entirely lost me. Convo over.

What convo. This was just me wasting time with an absolute shitbag like you. 11

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If there are they didn't all show up last week you know? The guy I share camp space with is from El Salvador and has been in the US for more than forty fucking years. And he's the youngest illegal immigrant there is. The majority of them entered the US in the 19th century and they are still mowing your lawn. Capitalism keeps them alive.

That paragraph made no sense whatsoever

for fucking retards who don't realize that they are being thoroughly mocked and laughed at. Hey, you should try to polish your english. Here's a new word for you : http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sarcasm?s=t

On 01/08/2017 06:17 PM, juan wrote:

By the way, I didn't even bother fully reading that

I know that. You're a functional illiterate.

On 01/08/2017 06:40 PM, juan wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:30:49 -0800 Razer wrote:

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On 01/08/2017 06:17 PM, juan wrote:

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By the way, I didn't even bother fully reading that

I know that. You're a functional illiterate.

Tell me rayzer, like a good american fascist, how many languages do you understand, apart from Imperial English?

Three languages? Trilingual. Two? Bilingual. One? amerikunt.

In my life I've learned four. English, Spanish, Hebrew, and Yiddish. Five if you count morse code. Six if you consider computer language. Multiple varieties of Basic. From V 1.1 to BasicA and the variety used on the tandy color computer which I can't recall the name of. I was also pretty good with OS9 v.1 and II for the coco, and I know enough jscript to get into trouble with. Only one spoken language is still with me. Mostly due to disuse. Spanish. Taxi Spanish. Comprede piojo? Rr

On 01/08/2017 06:16 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Here's the photographic proof of the post-liquified rock layers at ground zero:

That's schist. It's a lot like what's called "Chert" in California. Looks A LOT like rock doesn't it? It isn't. It crumbles when you touch it, and Schist is mica-based. It does melt under heat and pressure and liquefy, and it's layered into the mud. There is no bedrock below 14th st. It was Peter Stuyvesant's sheep graze and oyster mud flats. This is what I mean about the total ignorance and twisting of facts to match their non-reality by 'truthers' Rr

On 01/08/2017 05:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Ground zero showed no building submersion:

http://www.slideshare.net/HolyYeshua/solving-the-radioactive-riddle-of-9-11-...

Didn't need to be 'submerged' just undermined. And We were discussing WTC 7. Not the towers.

Along with numerous reports of explosions by first responders who brought out the first survivors from the WTC lobbies.

Thermite flakes in the dust

So? Thermite is mostly aluminum, or should I say "metal powder, fuel and metal oxide". There literally thousands of combinations of dusts that could fit that description, especially when mixed with jet fuel from a disintegrated, partly aluminum composited aircraft.

, explosions heard from the elevators,

The fucking building was creaking, and swaying in the breeze (see the earlier post with the construction dilemmas posed by the WTC's construction. High winds was one of the problems), and slowly collapsing. and the floors pancaking on each other. What do you suppose that sounds like? Crickets chirping?

lots more links and info on the above page.

Anyone with a name like "Yeshua" is most likely a White Identity Xtian and is unlikely to be providing any worthwhile information on the subject because most of them can't even read no less subject what they read to anything resembling critical analysis. Rr

Correction: believing there are consequences] go their complicity in Genocide. Should read 'believing there are no consequences to their complicity in Genocide.' On 01/08/2017 02:39 PM, grarpamp wrote:

In part regarding flavor of WTC 7 that started this thread...

# 9/11: Decade of Deception / The Toronto Hearings https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiVv8tQdmY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rSJZqMwNoY https://pressfortruth.ca/

On the tenth anniversary of the Attacks of September 11th, 2001, expert witnesses gathered at Ryerson University in Toronto, Canada to provide evidence-based research that called into question the official story of 9/11. This was known as The Toronto Hearings on 9/11. Over a period of four days, these experts in Structural Engineering, Physics, Chemistry, and History gave researched and professional testimony to an international panel of distinguished judges. The panel of judges, in conjunction with the steering committee would go on to publish their final analysis of the evidence provided, which called for a new investigation into the Attacks of September 11th, 2001.

# Incontrovertible - New 9/11 Documentary by Tony Rooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UyynjxAyw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDQJscd5ba0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirWUviaZuo http://incontrovertible911evidence.co.uk/

Were you aware that any steel-framed building is now susceptible to sudden and total collapse? Official US findings have concluded that normal office fires burning over only a few floors and for only 6 hours, can cause total and catastrophic collapse leaving no time for evacuation. The building featured in this film fell from 47 storeys into just a few piles of rubble within 7 seconds. The cause is cited as thermal expansion acting upon connections around composite beams. What is more disturbing is the fact very few firefighters are aware of this problem. Not only that, hardly anything has been changed with building codes and regulations to prevent such a catastrophic failure again. Training has not been modified for fire crews, engineering has not been corrected. The silence has been deafening... How fast can you run?

# What If the Official 9/11 Story Were True? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGkDQuL-1Gk

Two planes crashed, 3 buildings collapsed on 9/11 according to the official story. If true, how would it affect the risks to to public and to firefighters from burning buildings if minor fires alone could cause a steel building to collapse? Why has there been no change in firefighting procedures, no change in building codes, and no lawsuits if the official story is true?

# Conspiratus Xendrius Channel 9/11- Irrefutable Evidence for the Demolitons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

# Rapid Debris / Evidence Liquidation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHZj6MGxRs

# Larry Silverstein - Controlled Demo HE ADMITS THEY PULLED wtc7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeuQqP-NLnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsEGgc5L2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fhl5h86Qq0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center#9.2F11_and_collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(1973-2001)#Design_and_cons... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_and_recovery_effort_after_the_September... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash

On 01/08/2017 04:32 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

excessively reinforced central column

...and floor supports at the corners but NOT in the middle of the spans on the building's outside edges. So when the buildings had torsionally flexed a few times too often as it WAS NOT designed to do, the corner supports let go and the floors slid down the central support column. Thanks for pointing out why the two WTC towers collapsed straight down. Rr

I predict it will be the year of the renegades... of funk... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-LxmdxHEFg Groove Sucka! On 01/08/2017 08:28 PM, grarpamp wrote:

# Secret World of Mohamed Atta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LULV1gicJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJIqtwW1kR0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V01Ol2Nk-Tk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger https://fas.org/sgp/news/2010/09/dark-contrast.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/jud/dark-contrast2.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/news/2010/09/dark-index.pdf

# Zero: An Investigation Into 9/11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiusdy1miI

# Bring the Power Back - Public Enemy Vs Rage Against the Machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsqF6urwj3A

# Fahrenheit 9/11 - Michael Moore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg-be2r7ouc

# America Rebuilds: A Year at Ground Zero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hRPpva1ujE

https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=CAM%253D&q=9%2F11+truth https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=CAM%253D&q=9%2F11+conspiracy https://reddit.com/r/911/

You could spend months clicking around all the related sidebars and stuff out there, some full of shit, some real.

On 01/08/2017 08:54 PM, "juan" Kill-listed at the server.

9_11 - Blueprint for Truth-The Architecture of Destruction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o starting at 13:20 lots of examples of controlled demolition in which the buildings tip and tilt in various directions A LOT MORE than WTC7 did. The way they fall and fragment looks less 'controlled' than WTC7's demolition did. It seems like the team responsible for WTC7's demolition was especially skilled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission http://www.bing.com/search?q=geological+map+of+lower+manhattan

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:56:35 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

On 1/8/2017 12:12 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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The official excuse for WTC 7's symmetrical collapse is that the side of the building /not/ shown clearly in photos was "scooped out" by falling debris. (The photos I have seen do indicate substantial damage to the facade from falling debris.) This is not consistent with a symmetrical collapse as observed - the support columns destroyed by the "scoop" provided no vertical support, so the load was distributed unevenly and the building would have sagged in that direction when it lost global structural integrity.

I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

It did collapse symmetrically and in an 'orderly' fashion, Including a couple of features typical of controlled demolition. But feel free to link all the 'evidence' showing the building tiping and falling on its side like a cut tree. I will be waiting.

The building looked as if it had been chewed on by giant rats, with great big holes all over the place, and was on fire, hence its collapse is no great mystery.

lol...Again, show the evidence. This of course is just literaty bullshit : "great big holes all over the place" "giant rats"! Wow. Scary. Especially for Winston Smith. So you are yet another anti-conspiracy nutcase eh. What's your motivation? I'm guessing the main motivation is fear of being seen as a 'crank' who wears a 'tin foil hat'? On the other hand fake libertarians are prime anti-conspiracy nutcases. Their most important article of political faith is that the government is very stupid and incompetent and could never succesfully carry a false flag attack or any other 'conspiracy'. Fake libertarians don't want to acknowledge the obvious fact that the government is very competent at what it does, including duping people like them.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:40:32 -0800 Razer wrote:

On 01/08/2017 11:13 AM, the list's federal troll wrote:

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But feel free to link all the 'evidence' showing the building tiping and falling on its side like a cut tree. I will be waiting.

At minute 1:30 the commentator say "You see this thing leaning over?" about a windows blown out, burning and damaged WTC7

WTC Building 7 Collapse - 23 angles > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnLcUxV1dPo

THanks for further making my point, pentagon bot. The very first seconds of the video show MINIMAL damage to the building and rather small fires. And then we have all the MSM bots repeating propaganda. Telling the audience that the building 'will' collapse...because that's exactly what your government planned. The video doesn't SHOW anything useful, apart from being a perfect example of how the "media" work as an outlet for gov't propaganda. The only 5 seconds worth watching start at ~11:20 and show that at the end of the fall a part of the building tilts somewhat. The sequence also show minimal damage prior to the collapse. Now, even if there's any *slight* deviation in the trajectory of some small portion of the building from a 100% straight line, AT THE END, that's something fully compatible with 'controlled demolition'. And see just how STUPID your fake character is rayzer. You pretend to be a 'lefty' 'dissident' and yet what you do is parrot 100% certified americunt propaganda straight out of the FUCKING MSM. And you didn't even watch your own video, I'd say, since it ends with a picture of a building that wasn't correctly 'demolished' and with audio from scumbag silverstein (or whatever his name) babbling about "pulling" something....

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:27:25 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

On 1/9/2017 7:49 AM, juan wrote:

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The very first seconds of the video show MINIMAL damage to the building and rather small fires. And then we have all the MSM bots repeating propaganda. Telling the audience that the building 'will' collapse...because that's exactly what your government planned.

You are just lying about what the video shows. It shows a building that took a heavy physical beating and is on fire. Of course it is going to collapse.

And whatever happened to your original claim that the collapse was symmetric?

I can repeat what I said about that for the THIRD TIME, but I'll let you do your homework and read my replies to you, which you actucally seem to be ignoring.

On 01/08/2017 02:12 PM, the fed said:

You didn't watch your own fucking video. The video is meant to show that the media "magically" knew beforehand that the building would collapse,

I watched it. I've seen the footage before and a bunch of it at the time in real time. Doesn't matter what the poster meant it to prove. The footage speaks for itself. Only an idiot wouldn't know it was going to collapse, and as I said you're an idiot so I'll spell it out It had already internally collapsed which is why the fuel storage tank IN the building (because the construction was cheapskate like the towers and the builders didn't want to pay for the permits necessary for an outdoor tank) fell through a number of floors and burned the fucking thing out. Until the roof... The thing that keeps torsional forces from affecting the frame of the building, fell in. That, combined with the internal structural damage and the undermining off it's substructure, was the end. That whole area of downtown Manhattan had to have a few taller buildings torn down because of the undermining of the building substructures. The East side of the tip of Manhattan at the time was mostly low-slung buildings with not so much to damage. You and your idiot friends make it sound like the WTC buildings were the only ones affected. Because you're mental midgets.

that the collapse looks exactly like controlled demolition,

Looky looky "looks exactly like" There's damning evidence. Idiot.

that a non 'controlled' collapse looks different (pic at the end) and that salomon jakobo from wall street was babbling about "pulling" the building.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:38:54 -0800 Razer wrote:

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The footage speaks for itself.

On 1/9/2017 8:44 AM, juan wrote:

Indeed. It clearly shows a building falling on its footprint

Liar Because WTC 7 was falling sideways before it fell downwards, it did not fall on its own footprint. The building was falling apart, piece by piece, in an irregular and uneven fashion, until it finally collapsed downwards all at once First the fuel tank fell down demolishing much of the building's interior. Then a while after that, quite a while after that, the roof buckles. With the roof losing rigidity, there is nothing to stop the building from leaning to one side. It proceeds to lean to one side, very slowly at first, then faster and faster, like a tree falling over, then collapses downwards all at once, no longer like a tree but like a building. Yes, the final fall, collapsing downwards all at once is just like a controlled demolition - but the half hour leading up to that was things falling apart in a way totally unlike controlled demolition, and the few seconds leading up to collapsing downwards all at once was the building falling to one side, the complete opposite of a symmetric collapse.

On Jan 9, 2017, at 4:57 PM, juan wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2017 07:40:12 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

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On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:38:54 -0800 Razer wrote:

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On 1/9/2017 8:44 AM, juan wrote: Indeed. It clearly shows a building falling on its footprint

Liar

...is what you are =)

As to the rest of your message, I already addressed the point two times. But I'll do it again...

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Because WTC 7 was falling sideways before it fell downwards, it did not fall on its own footprint.

The building was falling apart, piece by piece, in an irregular and uneven fashion, until it finally collapsed downwards all at once

First the fuel tank fell down demolishing much of the building's interior.

Oh really? The fuel tank "demolished the building"? Perhaps it had some help from giant mutant rats that crawled out of manhattan mud?

Anyway, the collapse of the roof is indeed, again, mostly symmetrical. You can clearly see a dent in the MIDDLE of the roof. Which happens to be another characteristical feature of CD.

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Then a while after that, quite a while after that, the roof buckles. With the roof losing rigidity, there is nothing to stop the building from leaning to one side.

Indeed BOTH (shorter) sides of the building lean INWARDS A FEW DEGREES, and that's what controlled demolition is all about.

Aa I already mentioned 2 times, and I'll mention again, WTC7 is an especially clean example of controlled demolition.

Compare to other buildings blown up here and report back.

staring at 13:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o

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It proceeds to lean to one side, very slowly at first, then faster and faster, like a tree falling over, then collapses downwards all at once, no longer like a tree but like a building.

Yes, the final fall, collapsing downwards all at once is just like a controlled demolition -

And so is the onset of the collapse. Also, it is painfully obvious that tens of thousands of tons of steel and the rest of the building can't fall at free fall speed unless columns are cut AT REGULAR INTERVALS.

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but the half hour leading up to that was things falling apart in a way totally unlike controlled demolition, and the few seconds leading up to collapsing downwards all at once was the building falling to one side, the complete opposite of a symmetric collapse.

Fucking hilarious watching faux-engineers argue about the pedantic details of shit they don't understand in the advance of a conspiracy theory that is such a dramatic over explanation of what really happened, it's just fucking absurd... I watched the second plane fly into the tower live on television. US foreign policy came home to roost. You don't need to be a "truther" to make the US the bad guy. But, i should expect such theories from people who think anthropic climate change is a hoax. Which, hilariously, is now the CONSENSUS view of the US republican government :)

On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:26 PM, juan wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:14:01 -0500 John Newman wrote:

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Fucking hilarious watching faux-engineers argue about the pedantic details of shit they don't understand

OK John, I thought there might be some hope for you but sadly you are indeed a fucking retard =)

LOL. Right back at you, Juan :). Keep on fighting for the truth! You and DJT and the rest of the republican party can get to the bottom of the chinese climate hoax if you just keep digging, i know it!!! I won't bother responding to any other nonsense ;). Conspiratard amongst yourselves.

You got a couple of point for rejecting the JESUS CONSPIRACY THEORY, but I guess you don't reject it because of any principled stand on anything. it's just an intellectual accident on your part.

in the advance of a conspiracy

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theory that is such a dramatic over explanation of what really happened, it's just fucking absurd...

I watched the second plane fly into the tower live on television.

That's why you are a Great Philospher kindly enlightening us. You watched something on TV...and?

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US foreign policy came home to roost. You don't need to be a "truther" to make the US the bad guy.

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But, i should expect such theories from people who think anthropic climate change is a hoax.

And in turn I should expect an ignorant enviro like you to parrot government propaganda, while preteding to be 'un american'.

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Which, hilariously, is now the CONSENSUS view of the US republican government :)

Assuming that was true, so what? Isn't the 'consensos' among lefty fascist that global reheating ISNT'T a hoax? Since you believe in the global reheating religion, I must conclude that you are a card carrying democrat who voted for hitlery?

On 1/9/2017 8:44 AM, juan wrote:

Indeed. It clearly shows a building falling on its footprint exactly as if it had been the target of controlled demolition, something that EVEN the government acknowledges.

It clearly shows the building falling beside its footprint.

On 01/08/2017 11:13 AM, juan wrote:

But feel free to link all the 'evidence' showing the building tiping and falling on its side like a cut tree. I will be waiting.

Also see: Fracture Simulation Case Study of the WTC7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSlIFXw3EGg Which also illustrates the 'lean to the left'

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""the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7." "

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That's what I typed Unh hunh, yup. Just because it would disprove your half-wit truther friends so they never mention it in their cherry-picked 'analyses', unlike everyone else, doesn't make it barren-of-fact moron. It makes you and your half-wit friends disinformation propagators Rr

On 01/08/2017 02:04 PM, juan wrote:

'We' are all waiting for your proof.

When you provide proof of 'controlled demolition'.

http://xkcd.com/1013 :P -- ​"The future cannot be predicted, but futures can be invented."​

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:56:35 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

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I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

On 1/9/2017 5:13 AM, juan wrote:> It did collapse symmetrically and in an 'orderly' fashion,

Including a couple of features typical of controlled demolition.

You are just simply lying barefaced. Here is one video of many: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mamvq7LWqRU The building sags in the middle at the beginning, and then falls over to one side at the end. That is just the first video I clicked on. I recall several other videos in which the uneven, disorderly, irregular and asymmetric nature of the collapse was even more obvious. Another video shows fire and big holes, and then the building falls over into the big holes, exactly as one would expect.

On 1/10/2017 7:34 AM, juan wrote:

I addressed that in another post. As a matter of fact the collapse of WTC7 is very ordered, ESPECIALLY when compared to other unambiguous examples of controlled demolition. "It seems like the team responsible for WTC7's demolition was especially skilled." (copypasting myself)

There is a video of the last couple of guys inside the WTC 7, a newsman and a secret service guy. They are searching for wounded who might need evacuation - because large parts of the building have already fallen down, and they expect the rest to come down shortly. There is rubble everywhere, because the building is disintegrating slowly around them, and after a bit they realize it is not so slow any more and they decide it is past time to get the hell out. They clearly expect the building to fall soon. Do you suppose that they were in on the conspiracy and were planting demolition charges?

On 1/11/2017 11:51 AM, juan wrote:

The bombs must obviously have been planted weeks before. Why do you even bother asking that.

Thousands of bombs planted in the middle of New York, sit there for weeks, and no one notices.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:56:35 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

On 1/8/2017 12:12 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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The official excuse for WTC 7's symmetrical collapse is that the side of the building /not/ shown clearly in photos was "scooped out" by falling debris. (The photos I have seen do indicate substantial damage to the facade from falling debris.) This is not consistent with a symmetrical collapse as observed - the support columns destroyed by the "scoop" provided no vertical support, so the load was distributed unevenly and the building would have sagged in that direction when it lost global structural integrity.

I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

Funnily enough, even the government psychos clearly admit the nature of the collapse, whereas James takes the trouble to blatanly lie for them. "The collapse of WTC 7 had a small debris field as the façade was pulled downward, suggesting an internal failure and implosion." "If the collapse initiated at these transfer trusses, this would explain why the building imploded, producing a limited debris field " Oops. So the building imploded eh. But hey, whereas the government psychos do admit part of the truth so that their propaganda is more 'beliaveble', 'libertaraisns' like James lie through their teeth. Cute. Oh, here's the source.... https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf But hey, the real explanation is rayzer's "mud theory" and the evidence that James provided ("I watched it frame by frame" LMAO).

The building looked as if it had been chewed on by giant rats, with great big holes all over the place, and was on fire, hence its collapse is no great mystery.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:13:38 -0800 Razer wrote:

The fact that the ground in Manhattan below 14th street is mud and honeycombed with building substructures as deep as the buildings are tall is NOT a "theory".

the pentagon's bot 'asserted' "the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7." Either provide proof or admit you are nothing but lying scumbag.

On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 05:14:52PM -0300, Juan wrote:

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:56:35 +1000 "James A. Donald" wrote:

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On 1/8/2017 12:12 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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The official excuse for WTC 7's symmetrical collapse is that the side of the building /not/ shown clearly in photos was "scooped out" by falling debris. (The photos I have seen do indicate substantial damage to the facade from falling debris.) This is not consistent with a symmetrical collapse as observed - the support columns destroyed by the "scoop" provided no vertical support, so the load was distributed unevenly and the building would have sagged in that direction when it lost global structural integrity.

I have watched videos of the collapse of WTC 7 frame by frame. It did not collapse symmetrically - it sagged on one side. Hence no need for any official excuse.

Funnily enough, even the government psychos clearly admit the nature of the collapse, whereas James takes the trouble to blatanly lie for them.

That's "James" to you, thank you very much. Seems the memetic is, if you -really- want to shill for da govt., ya gotta have a middle name initial to sound more "formal" or something. And if you're so bold as to actually use your real name, well tough titties when Juan calls you out on your bullshit :D

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:31 PM, juan wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:38:48 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

[Building7.bmp image/bmp (620125 bytes)]

So that picture, which is supposed to be some sort of 'joke', is an even worse 'joke' than rayzer's vomit about libertarians and regulations.

In the case of the picture, what is being implied is that people who keep talking about stuff that bothers the authorities and the main stream fascists, are to be shot.

If anything, the joke is on the person who posted the picture, since it's a 'jokingly' invitation to murder people who speak the truth - no doubt a first cypherpunk principle...or something.

​Uff, let's go again... Juan, please, read the thread again, slower, with calm and patience, instead being agressive and unfair. I did NOT send any pic, d'oooh! :((( You want to attack me so much that you are always waiting for an opportunity and is always being unfair with me.​.. It sucks a lot! Please, less drama! Be more rational and less troll, please. :(

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 21:44:31 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

​Uff, let's go again... Juan, please, read the thread again, slower, with calm and patience, instead being agressive and unfair. I did NOT send any pic, d'oooh! :(((

You didn't? My sincere apologies if that's the case. Although the picture is attached to a message coming from your address. (Unless my email client is messed up) (and let me check the archives...)

You want to attack me so much that you are always waiting for an opportunity and is always being unfair with me.​.. It sucks a lot! Please, less drama! Be more rational and less troll, please. :(

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:00:01 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

​I did not send any picture, Juan. I was just answering to the person who sent the pic.​

I profusely apologize. The person who sent the pic is no other than rayzer then... It seems that somehow the picture got attached to your message, plus(or again my client is playing up). Also, I can't find your message dated " Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:38:48 -0200" in the archive. I'm pretty sure it's not here : https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-January/date.html There's this message from you dated Jan 3 https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-January/034745.html and then this one Jan 6 https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-January/034783.html but nothing for Jan 4. Weird.

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:24:36 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

​ Hey, instead trying to kick my poor butt, don't want to help me with a future law, which will (try to) regulate the IoT in Brazil? :)

I doubt I could help you. My 'law' might be something like "In order to solve any real or imaginary problems with the IoT, two steps must be taken : 1) Kill all politicians 2) Kill all the CEOs of internet companies " ^-^ Hm, no that's not going to be popular among VIPs...

I am almost dying with a pretty annoying pain, but these are the last days of the public consulting about this theme and it's great to have an opportunity to avoid more legislative disasters, brrr... I need to tell you some news too. We are trying to "hack" some institutions, which regulate the Brazilian Internet. Political hacking, Juan.

I know. Problem is, usually (or always) the hackers end up being hacked...

Much better than kicking me is kicking other lawyers, less 'cute-cute' and colorful than me, haha! ;)

Some people don't like cats. Other people don't like lawyers. I don't know why some people don't like laywers =)

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:41:21 -0200 Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:21 PM, juan wrote:

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I doubt I could help you. My 'law' might be something like

"In order to solve any real or imaginary problems with the IoT, two steps must be taken :

1) Kill all politicians 2) Kill all the CEOs of internet companies "

^-^ Hm, no that's not going to be popular among VIPs...

​Err... I live in Brasil, not in the USA, Juan. Here, racism and hate speech are serious crimes and killing people is not considered a good thing... :P

Are you saying that politicians belong to a particular, distinct race? =P I'd say they belong to a non-human species, like, for instance, rats. Except rats are cuter and less harmful. At any rate legislation to 'regulate' politicians out of existence would certainly be based on universal human rights and wouldn't be concerned with national borders =)

Some people don't like cats. Other people don't like lawyers. I

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don't know why some people don't like laywers =)

​Well, I still prefer cats. I can live with lots of cats without becoming crazy, but I can't say the same about lawyers... You know, all the jokes about lawyers are not jokes, they are true! :P​

Ahaha! Yes, I was about to mention a couple of jokes about lawyers. You read my mind...

On 01/09/2017 08:21 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

​ Here, in Brazil, they say the same about lawyers... Several years ago, the biggest School of Biology of my country made a prank, saying that they would use lawyers instead rats in their experiences because there are more lawyers than rats here and the researchers think rats are much cuter... Ouch, it hurts! (>_<)*

This is far from a country-specific joke; I've heard/seen it quite a bit in the US and US-specific forums. -- Shawn K. Quinn http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com