On 06/18/2020 01:04 PM, Sangy wrote:

Yes On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:55:21PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

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Is this thing on?

Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my list membership being disabled:

Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due to excessive bounces

I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue. A postmortem would be cool.

On 06/18/2020 02:29 PM, Se7en wrote:

On 20-06-18 14:23:02, Mirimir wrote:

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Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my list membership being disabled:

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Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due to excessive bounces

I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue.

The list admin published a few days ago that the list was experiencing trouble and has been rectified. You must not have recieved that message. Check the public archive.

Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 18-Jun-2020. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like

Looking in the public archive, the first hint of a problem was Georgi Guninski's "pong" and Greg Newby's reply at Jun 15 05:25:59 PDT 2020: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081025.html https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081026.html Then there's the message from Greg at Jun 16 19:39:50 PDT 2020, saying that the "the list was bouncing all day today (after around 9am US Eastern Daylight Time)" and that "[t]hings now seem to be fixed": https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081030.html But GTI.H and Georgi Guninski both reported on Jun 17 that they still weren't getting list messages to Gmail accounts: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081042.html https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081043.html I got the last message before today at Jun 14 14:38:29 PDT 2020: https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081016.html I got the membership disabled message at 18 Jun 2020 00:15:00 -0700, and it said: this before your membership in the list is deleted. That is, messages to me were bouncing from late Jun 14 through Jun 17. Anyway, it's not a big deal. I'm just curious whether bouncing started earlier, perhaps on Jun 14, and why Google and Riseup kept bouncing messages after Greg fixed the cypherpunks server.

On 06/19/2020 12:46 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

Do you read me?

What a debugging drama, anyone has a conspiracy theory ;) ?

I got this directly from Gmail, and did not get a copy via the cypherpunks list.

Possibly useful advice for @gmail users below, also some list diagnostics: On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 03:20:50PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

On 06/18/2020 02:29 PM, Se7en wrote:

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On 20-06-18 14:23:02, Mirimir wrote:

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Thanks. I wasn't paying attention, but I did notice the warning about my list membership being disabled:

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Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due to excessive bounces

I'm not sure whether that was a cypherpunks server issue, or a Riseup issue, which was perhaps triggered by a cypherpunks server issue.

The list admin published a few days ago that the list was experiencing trouble and has been rectified. You must not have recieved that message. Check the public archive.

Looking in the public archive, the first hint of a problem was Georgi Guninski's "pong" and Greg Newby's reply at Jun 15 05:25:59 PDT 2020:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081025.html https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081026.html

Then there's the message from Greg at Jun 16 19:39:50 PDT 2020, saying that the "the list was bouncing all day today (after around 9am US Eastern Daylight Time)" and that "[t]hings now seem to be fixed":

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081030.html

That was a temporary 13-hour problem caused by a specific misconfiguration I applied. There is no indication that mail delivery problems before that are related.

But GTI.H and Georgi Guninski both reported on Jun 17 that they still weren't getting list messages to Gmail accounts:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081042.html https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081043.html

I got the last message before today at Jun 14 14:38:29 PDT 2020:

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2020-June/081016.html

I got the membership disabled message at 18 Jun 2020 00:15:00 -0700, and it said:

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Your membership in the mailing list cypherpunks has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 18-Jun-2020. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted.

That is, messages to me were bouncing from late Jun 14 through Jun 17.

There were a ton of bounces from @riseup.net (there are several subscribers, not only you). I suspect that this WAS due to the misconfiguration I did, but I didn't save the 450+ bounce notifications. You should be able to reenable your subscription as directed... let me know if you run into trouble.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. I'm just curious whether bouncing started earlier, perhaps on Jun 14, and why Google and Riseup kept bouncing messages after Greg fixed the cypherpunks server.

Here's the important part (saved for the end): For @gmail.com users, I experimented by subscribing a gmail address to the list. I found that MOST (not quite all) messages were flagged as spam and therefore did not arrive in my inbox. I flagged as "not spam" to extract them from the spam folder, which might train gmail. But the approach I suggest is to create a filter in gmail. This is easy in the Web interface, but I don't know about other clients. Simply make a filter so that messages with "list:(cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org)" or to/cc cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org are never flagged as spam. - Greg

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:23:02 -0700 Mirimir wrote:

A postmortem would be cool.

postmortem sez it's ded for what it's worth, cock.li wasn't working from sunday to around wednesday. Maybe it was being raided.