USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 07:40:33AM -0500, John Young wrote:
USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
Indeed. And we are just chatting, while people get robbed by USG and the like.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/2016 07:40 AM, John Young wrote:
USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts. So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWyGXIAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0L0/8P/joTuI2zd0ayzAMEHvUb9aB9 n6dspcWT6q0Q/wKi8oTe+E5eGD0196d8CW+saYYMRD3dlS0PYIyHbQjXtPOiaJfR AyyAGchBd4TDXNAcHU6WtVr+z5YzdwCt0bnGvXYn3uVKfnDrLDkqqECjlMcT7hsN ztDbPpMCM1pIKI+4F4SQSuASPXLgQG9o1WGqFNct3kFU7rwFhjCnD6K207pdRQR1 P6aikROx7s2QIhPIfK8Oijj9THWA7ICW479fpuv1/yMdX55LPM4jSqmLz+A6WrM8 fBr4gS+je255FqzFEGsohRM9ATMA+FDtyTUmUSK3RCed2KeboDpgwE7GvoMjxdWT UsoNrS0laI7btWnfuD1C1K1Nnw9fIgkMDMX765Dh5ffJW3IjlpsgH0sDkzEbh7t5 HweosYK7yQCcs6r2aU6P2Agi7DxlrDdhXeuEShpYtGS22CDUi+ShJeWAmGjF/yrp zAWMvLr8KamNZLJdZbU7EHfQCMZ+2KfDdAhvpsSYWJEgrDKdPipDM8Pg4UJ3n2ZA UL7E/pMor02syevSOADC+D8zXY19WDpVasLQAcFiQKY/JmRY/BXGaXGnZPvdd22E ZwONlRLVUzZ0OX6A0+Dc3p0A7CjcJQgAxVYhk/khCvFfNe3gv1Yf3tKFAc9bCz12 KALU9VYhfB79ohiVkQJ8 =E5v4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
its not just about the money look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state >>>>> for the protection of the state ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 07:40 AM, John Young wrote:
USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts.
So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
its not just about the money
look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch
industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state
for the protection of the state
I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWyG+rAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LiI8QAISxYQ4TMfp8TXO8Np5/lP2v oz6eJYiJ0m9Ay4o8S9nFmCMuJU7wc78fXzUfGyPpLmt4zrAc8ay/MDDSm3ChVlhm MlpYlwVd2TOm5f6bxcnOO45IgjBsIVOVySclLlbeBHqSLlwXI2IhdjXzrVIaRSPI TFF5D1gZ9C/ze7DkPqXcm3UHLnwR4l4cP9UY85JyIB+nhJWR/tkP/4ceYNwzAQo/ c0aO/28Vn8fpniECXVXV8avpVjf2S2oZ6b9h0NGbWttgkbnBqkOd0PzEd2SLF0rX HVwFwOpjhQbZNp1yss+5B2/uIH6xSD54wO5pIBqFYSwcO/V1Uiv58ncgP/wgzMIM Q117p+DjGKjAcmRIplhSbzytygRC2fuoEZJbeMqMicRDfT0tRR1J7I3xqfaJI93y DYRtXKyf+3Pe31xVZtE4meKckg65DiQb6LHX5mxkN6FJ5eYYz3SwD/P2LEsTToHy B65+xZ0yCoKpmS7uAvloIKIJ5aEj/uOfPJ4BRKZClE6mw5/wWO2XkcBEeAjDWpUe tQKHGd/XynjOTXMVZ+3tu4TvAQk7kR+RmtEmppnRLB2jeErK0nKM3OQ/yOgnVmcC Xoma6OoEbCvXxzdNLUXzsEYm8oKCmJREOrBy4bmVQ589ldzWkRFa2xKP/E1XL5J2 Zms0auElusULqpAdBY78 =ozax -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life matters are ignored the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell you what is happening more than anything http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world-and-fuel-... and tesla ... just look at tesla On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
its not just about the money
look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch
industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state
> for the protection of the state
I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life > matters are ignored > > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell > you what is happening more than anything > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world - -and-fuel-the-planet/ I > think I 'get it.' I stopped working for DoD contractors about 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not contribute directly to mass murder went away. Poverty sucks, but not as much as the alternative. > and tesla ... just look at tesla He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory' propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their bullshit mythology. The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool story, but: How come the same people who believe that cell phones and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery? And where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will come from? Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust... When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty: Just a worked-out maths problem. But I am well aware that this means a human population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the way. As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent it. Mitigating the damage to present and future generations appears to be the only game left in town. :o/ > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney > <admin@pilobilus.net <mailto:admin@pilobilus.net>> wrote: > > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote: >> its not just about the money > >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive >> branch > >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the >> state >>>>>>> for the protection of the state > > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating > feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into > the hands of those who already have the most of both. > >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form > > Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must > both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential > growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is > inherent in their structural foundations. > > > > > > -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com > <mailto:carimachet@gmail.com> AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 > 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet > <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for > the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If > you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, > or copying of this email without permission is strictly > prohibited. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWyHtTAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0L9DkP+gJtUi5/7cwP8PuGgrGhF/vj UIz462bDpSzJ3N8hLo3yWyC9v0ApKB11hmxFktSlrnusixSTBTDOhk3SUyOVVqRm /XTpvPTVnounu7hMY0hsB6gl8A8dKFOO7GzgH9bOMecpuueDCyJKXB0G3KbkLH71 2EqomutE2E2MrzLHM3Xj1A8G2LhWWHs97wXh7FRd4dcA7OIMvli3JEEZKWVLzUeV 0+tRR0e7kwvEnK5ypLgAIUUEOcJAehpMgC9Kuf9H4fsbOlNLULbe+qk201M0t6aa bcVoWZOYEvRDs/ASNWH1GViLP8WydTI40H9VEOfU9qEIExgVT97kHgm8aaImYhcM XvQh3UMiTNDE9ClBx/0UO4LJbaUeDR7QhzAjFuDOTwb7dWiMaVB3pQTzD+YzCrVY V3/EBynbXE2WVrzKu21xoU94giFhWLt/lVJ2dpoFn6q0Bw0g+Seh+CCdt6G7Dcs/ w/OE1avOMbXeEVeUs9QL/2lw1oqjU0Dj4nAvA+d6teFs1Yo+qPpc2reqim8Ya/eP Rc9lweBbR7dSevtNxk/LEr5KcgcEzn2iSZl6f1FoUyk3q5bSJItd8PUqZr3VxZqb BFCNYb1l8VnOiJgvOS3efgsj7X9DiyCJSPKrrD99vkDJ3rT5aVJt2qmJkd51xUgu Hy6zDPmOq5ex2e4I7Z3C =l34U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
agreed thanks much for the ethical exit of the manufacturing of the war machine life doesnt give a fuck if a biomass or AI machine is the structure as long as the work gets done... if the biomass is gonna be a stupid narsassistic fuck it will be made obsolete... wait while your enemy hangs itself “One may know how to conquer without being able to do it.” the art of war On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > > > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the > > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life > > matters are ignored > > > > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to > > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer > > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell > > you what is happening more than anything > > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world > - -and-fuel-the-planet/ > > I > > > think I 'get it.' I stopped working for DoD contractors about > 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not > contribute directly to mass murder went away. Poverty sucks, but > not as much as the alternative. > > > and tesla ... just look at tesla > > He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory' > propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their > bullshit mythology. The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool > story, but: How come the same people who believe that cell phones > and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around > 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery? And > where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an > inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will > come from? Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and > justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust... > > When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as > we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate > institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty: Just a worked-out > maths problem. But I am well aware that this means a human > population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the > way. As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent > it. Mitigating the damage to present and future generations > appears to be the only game left in town. > > :o/ > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney > > <admin@pilobilus.net <mailto:admin@pilobilus.net>> wrote: > > > > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > >> its not just about the money > > > >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive > >> branch > > > >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the > >> state > >>>>>>> for the protection of the state > > > > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money > > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating > > feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a > > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of > > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into > > the hands of those who already have the most of both. > > > >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections > >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form > > > > Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the > > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must > > both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential > > growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is > > inherent in their structural foundations. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com > > <mailto:carimachet@gmail.com> AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 > > 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 > > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet > > <https://twitter.com/carimachet> > > > > 7035 690E 5E47 41D4 B0E5 B3D1 AF90 49D6 BE09 2187 > > > > Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for > > the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. 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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 09:42:29AM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote:
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>
> On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
>
> > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the
> > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life
> > matters are ignored
> >
> > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to
> > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer
> > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell
> > you what is happening more than anything
> >
> > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world
> - -and-fuel-the-planet/
>
> I
> >
> think I 'get it.' I stopped working for DoD contractors about
> 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not
> contribute directly to mass murder went away. Poverty sucks, but
> not as much as the alternative.
>
> > and tesla ... just look at tesla
>
> He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory'
> propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their
> bullshit mythology. The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool
> story, but: How come the same people who believe that cell phones
> and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around
> 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery? And
> where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an
> inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will
> come from? Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and
> justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust...
>
> When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as
> we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate
> institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty: Just a worked-out
> maths problem. But I am well aware that this means a human
> population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the
> way. As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent
> it. Mitigating the damage to present and future generations
> appears to be the only game left in town.
>
> :o/
Population crash is only true for the populations that cannot
conceive of shared abundance. We've gone from 95% of the population
working on farms to less than 1%, and with the right tools, 5% of
the population with a little AI and distributed production tools
is more than sufficent to feed, fuel, and house the rest.
That, however, doesn't help those who won't eat because they
believe, ever so fervently, in the doom of humanity. Which is
fine, we just have to wait them out and contain the damage,
possibly by sticking them in a simulation of their chosen rapture.
Who knows, maybe that will be the source of organ donors in the
next millenium.
If you insist on being slaughtered, who am I to stop you from
walking into the blender. But I will politely point out the
clearly labeled door number two if you can stop to see it.
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney
> > <admin@pilobilus.net <mailto:admin@pilobilus.net>> wrote:
> >
> > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> >> its not just about the money
> >
> >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive
> >> branch
> >
> >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the
> >> state
> >>>>>>> for the protection of the state
> >
> > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money
> > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating
> > feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a
> > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of
> > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into
> > the hands of those who already have the most of both.
> >
> >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections
> >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
> >
> > Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the
> > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must
> > both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential
> > growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is
> > inherent in their structural foundations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer' hozer@hozed.org
7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul grid.coop
Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
wording about door number two and having something behind it two dif things On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@hozed.org> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 09:42:29AM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > > > > > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the > > > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life > > > matters are ignored > > > > > > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to > > > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer > > > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell > > > you what is happening more than anything > > > > > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world > > - -and-fuel-the-planet/ > > > > I > > > > > think I 'get it.' I stopped working for DoD contractors about > > 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not > > contribute directly to mass murder went away. Poverty sucks, but > > not as much as the alternative. > > > > > and tesla ... just look at tesla > > > > He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory' > > propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their > > bullshit mythology. The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool > > story, but: How come the same people who believe that cell phones > > and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around > > 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery? And > > where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an > > inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will > > come from? Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and > > justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust... > > > > When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as > > we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate > > institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty: Just a worked-out > > maths problem. But I am well aware that this means a human > > population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the > > way. As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent > > it. Mitigating the damage to present and future generations > > appears to be the only game left in town. > > > > :o/ > > Population crash is only true for the populations that cannot > conceive of shared abundance. We've gone from 95% of the population > working on farms to less than 1%, and with the right tools, 5% of > the population with a little AI and distributed production tools > is more than sufficent to feed, fuel, and house the rest. > > That, however, doesn't help those who won't eat because they > believe, ever so fervently, in the doom of humanity. Which is > fine, we just have to wait them out and contain the damage, > possibly by sticking them in a simulation of their chosen rapture. > Who knows, maybe that will be the source of organ donors in the > next millenium. > > If you insist on being slaughtered, who am I to stop you from > walking into the blender. But I will politely point out the > clearly labeled door number two if you can stop to see it. > > > > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney > > > <admin@pilobilus.net <mailto:admin@pilobilus.net>> wrote: > > > > > > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > > >> its not just about the money > > > > > >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive > > >> branch > > > > > >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the > > >> state > > >>>>>>> for the protection of the state > > > > > > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money > > > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating > > > feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a > > > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of > > > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into > > > the hands of those who already have the most of both. > > > > > >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections > > >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form > > > > > > Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the > > > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must > > > both grow exponentially to survive. 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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/23/2016 07:02 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
Population crash is only true for the populations that cannot conceive of shared abundance. We've gone from 95% of the population working on farms to less than 1%, and with the right tools, 5% of the population with a little AI and distributed production tools is more than sufficent to feed, fuel, and house the rest.
That, however, doesn't help those who won't eat because they believe, ever so fervently, in the doom of humanity. Which is fine, we just have to wait them out and contain the damage, possibly by sticking them in a simulation of their chosen rapture. Who knows, maybe that will be the source of organ donors in the next millenium.
If you insist on being slaughtered, who am I to stop you from walking into the blender. But I will politely point out the clearly labeled door number two if you can stop to see it.
Hmmm... so, a technocratic elite won't be affected, other than perhaps to the extent of minor inconveniences, when the exponential growth of industrialization, resource extraction and human population exceeds geophysical limits? And this, because those limits are not real and the only people who will be adversely affected are those who have incorrect beliefs? That sounds almost like the narrative of commercialized Conspiracy Theory, from a viewpoint that identifies with the "bad guys" in that scenario. The "good vs. evil" issue really is just a matter of human beliefs, but the laws o' physics part is what most interests me. Topsoil, water, phosphates and fuel can't be wished into existence, nor can industrial pollution, extreme weather and a couple of billion hungry neighbors be wished out of existence. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJW0E8+AAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0L3ekP/iu3gBR3P1H3K/m4iYLwSotd bRqB7xjnYNWOUz3oJAJBwFKAg0eKKXN0smcv+mQFrQdBdpsZwWFT8vllCWxWcbL4 J4YoNpT0AuDPalBTKTOn0Lgqhdp+Czai2K225wsezREYyhPxs91GSnPBH1bMpILH mfFTI/tj2XBRGV+txvRGIhDykmC0erWxfIwiljtQw+Mctg4s6keCe9qH+GwHPRiY md7E7YoNBSXKYZFWQhqKvse7f35vpjGKqbeIVlhEPllb4V5nwwPjBv3G56Y9Iifb Cff+aOybKCUqLbMUE2H8HiGzMecsXyaogz6WTmCZ720pYBdUGkL2eEU1FLNs454D QiafBux9ZZzw0E8JTP55cqUsLuf5DT9RMcWdUJ47pzl7wrqdIunp4bj8XbiKW7+C eKWpOe4rn85ShXeeZq+4nldQ6V1Il70lxLRNBNabdy4YbK6OJDKVaw8v3JJ64uJ6 FhBC+002NkkSsEOnvdcROhcP91xNx96q+RkGljpWsO/P0TRK1X0r6TNyb4qSIWUI YGrQLFlwE5vlx1EUhJzTASTL7PY8rdfm4SlhSCQkFHUfY0iKRm0jmWFy8NCcCcb9 r9XYj2Hebum2WIpYUEx7mL+59yy7hkaoemFXhyqTXsoWvLt7cR1xJKPKeYazZ97e hkER5XN2xG+cDspNdHFV =unpu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:09:08 +0100 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell you what is happening more than anything
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world-and-fuel-...
1) there seem to be a lot of fugazzi there. 2) he doesn't work for the state anymore, now he works for exxon? =)
and tesla ... just look at tesla
yes, see tesla's actual contributions to engineering http://edisontechcenter.org/AC-PowerHistory.html compare to this http://edisontechcenter.org/GalileoFerraris.html Regardless, it is certainly a fact that state and 'private' industry closely cooperate for mutual benefit at the expense of the subjects and consumers (who obviously pay the bills)
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
its not just about the money
look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch
industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state
>> for the protection of the state
I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.
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yes i know exxon ... while spitting nails at the state v bizaare interesting about the tesla thievery i will read more of it but much more interesting is ferraris opening up his lab and giving away the information ... v nice juan thank you i was talking specifically about teslas wireless energy http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 7:22 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:09:08 +0100 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell you what is happening more than anything
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world-and-fuel-...
1) there seem to be a lot of fugazzi there.
2) he doesn't work for the state anymore, now he works for exxon? =)
and tesla ... just look at tesla
yes, see tesla's actual contributions to engineering
http://edisontechcenter.org/AC-PowerHistory.html
compare to this
http://edisontechcenter.org/GalileoFerraris.html
Regardless, it is certainly a fact that state and 'private' industry closely cooperate for mutual benefit at the expense of the subjects and consumers (who obviously pay the bills)
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
its not just about the money
look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch
industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state
>>> for the protection of the state
I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:52:45 -0500 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive.
Why? 'power structures' don't need to grow exponentially to survive. As a matter of historical record, they never have. Living things don't need to grow exponentially to survive and neither do their parasites.
Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:43:04 +0100 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
...if that's true, then nation states are being replaced with a transnational state. Not exactly good news.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 07:40 AM, John Young wrote:
USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts.
So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course.
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i think there is no good or bad the @UN assembled in the 1900's replaced your fiction of state sovereignty long ago which was always a myth anyway b4 that was the league of nations and before that oppression was just straight up colonialism so... but i was talking about state formation itself be that transnational or national i am talking about the middle man as the state be that monarchy or no rumsfeld recently did an interview on cobert - he was selling some product as usual ... he made a game app about winston churchill - he said isis doesnt like nations but isis actually use that form >>> these kinds of missteps of logic are where the shadow gov comes out to play On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:43:04 +0100 Cari Machet <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
...if that's true, then nation states are being replaced with a transnational state. Not exactly good news.
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
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On 02/20/2016 07:40 AM, John Young wrote:
USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.
It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts.
So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course.
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