its not just about the money look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state >>>>> for the protection of the state ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.

It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts.

So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course.

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you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life matters are ignored the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell you what is happening more than anything http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world-and-fuel-... and tesla ... just look at tesla On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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its not just about the money

look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch

industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state

...

...

...

...

> for the protection of the state

I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.

...

ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form

Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.

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agreed

thanks much for the ethical exit of the manufacturing of the war machine

life doesnt give a fuck if a biomass or AI machine is the structure as long
as the work gets done... if the biomass is gonna be a stupid narsassistic
fuck it will be made obsolete...

wait while your enemy hangs itself

“One may know how to conquer without being able to do it.”
the art of war



On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Steve Kinney  wrote:

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> On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
>
> > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the
> > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life
> > matters are ignored
> >
> > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to
> > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer
> > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell
> > you what is happening more than anything
> >
> > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world
> - -and-fuel-the-planet/
>
> I
> >
> think I 'get it.'  I stopped working for DoD contractors about
> 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not
> contribute directly to mass murder went away.  Poverty sucks, but
> not as much as the alternative.
>
> > and tesla ... just look at tesla
>
> He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory'
> propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their
> bullshit mythology.  The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool
> story, but:  How come the same people who believe that cell phones
> and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around
> 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery?  And
> where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an
> inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will
> come from?  Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and
> justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust...
>
> When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as
> we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate
> institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty:  Just a worked-out
> maths problem.  But I am well aware that this means a human
> population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the
> way.  As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent
> it.  Mitigating the damage to present and future generations
> appears to be the only game left in town.
>
> :o/
>
> > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney
> > > wrote:
> >
> > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> >> its not just about the money
> >
> >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive
> >> branch
> >
> >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the
> >> state
> >>>>>>> for the protection of the state
> >
> > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money
> > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating
> > feedback cycle.  This would make 'national security' a
> > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of
> > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into
> > the hands of those who already have the most of both.
> >
> >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections
> >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
> >
> > Verily.  The feedback cycle described above, and the
> > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must
> > both grow exponentially to survive.  Since this exponential
> > growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is
> > inherent in their structural foundations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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wording about door number two and having something behind it two dif things

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Troy Benjegerdes  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 09:42:29AM -0500, Steve Kinney wrote:
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> >
> > On 02/20/2016 09:09 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> >
> > > you dont get it its much worse - as industry is harnessed the
> > > whims of the state are addressed but other pressing life
> > > matters are ignored
> > >
> > > the state is a middle man and controls what life gets to
> > > succeed at a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer
> > > work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell
> > > you what is happening more than anything
> > >
> > > http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world
> > - -and-fuel-the-planet/
> >
> > I
> > >
> > think I 'get it.'  I stopped working for DoD contractors about
> > 15 years ago, when the last of the jobs in my field that did not
> > contribute directly to mass murder went away.  Poverty sucks, but
> > not as much as the alternative.
> >
> > > and tesla ... just look at tesla
> >
> > He's a favorite of mine, since way before 'Conspiracy Theory'
> > propaganda shops made him a major, recurrent theme in their
> > bullshit mythology.  The suppression of Broadcast Power is a cool
> > story, but:  How come the same people who believe that cell phones
> > and WiFi routers cause cancer, demand the right to walk around
> > 24/7 inside an RF field dense enough to run heavy machinery?  And
> > where do they think the /huge/ amount of energy to run such an
> > inherently inefficient, waste-friendly distribution system will
> > come from?  Alas, the True Believers' passion is real and
> > justified, but they have grossly misplaced their trust...
> >
> > When I say that the failure of State and Corporate institutions as
> > we know them is inherent in the design of State and Corporate
> > institutions, it all sounds neat and pretty:  Just a worked-out
> > maths problem.  But I am well aware that this means a human
> > population crash and all the ugliness that goes with it is on the
> > way.  As far as I can tell no power in Heaven or Earth can prevent
> > it.  Mitigating the damage to present and future generations
> > appears to be the only game left in town.
> >
> > :o/
>
> Population crash is only true for the populations that cannot
> conceive of shared abundance. We've gone from 95% of the population
> working on farms to less than 1%, and with the right tools, 5% of
> the population with a little AI and distributed production tools
> is more than sufficent to feed, fuel, and house the rest.
>
> That, however, doesn't help those who won't eat because they
> believe, ever so fervently, in the doom of humanity. Which is
> fine, we just have to wait them out and contain the damage,
> possibly by sticking them in a simulation of their chosen rapture.
> Who knows, maybe that will be the source of organ donors in the
> next millenium.
>
> If you insist on being slaughtered, who am I to stop you from
> walking into the blender. But I will politely point out the
> clearly labeled door number two if you can stop to see it.
>
>
> > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:
> > >> its not just about the money
> > >
> > >> look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive
> > >> branch
> > >
> > >> industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the
> > >> state
> > >>>>>>> for the protection of the state
> > >
> > > I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money
> > > into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating
> > > feedback cycle.  This would make 'national security' a
> > > mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of
> > > course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into
> > > the hands of those who already have the most of both.
> > >
> > >> ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections
> > >> : nation state structures are not working its a dying form
> > >
> > > Verily.  The feedback cycle described above, and the
> > > industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must
> > > both grow exponentially to survive.  Since this exponential
> > > growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is
> > > inherent in their structural foundations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com
> > >  AIM carismachet Syria +963-099
> > > 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219
> > > Reykjavik +354 894 8650 Twitter: @carimachet
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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 15:09:08 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

a scientist that worked on the genome will no longer work with state money and condemns the state - that should tell you what is happening more than anything

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-algae-feed-the-world-and-fuel-...

1) there seem to be a lot of fugazzi there. 2) he doesn't work for the state anymore, now he works for exxon? =)

and tesla ... just look at tesla

yes, see tesla's actual contributions to engineering http://edisontechcenter.org/AC-PowerHistory.html compare to this http://edisontechcenter.org/GalileoFerraris.html Regardless, it is certainly a fact that state and 'private' industry closely cooperate for mutual benefit at the expense of the subjects and consumers (who obviously pay the bills)

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

...

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On 02/20/2016 08:43 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

...

its not just about the money

look into hybrid rule initiated by the nixon executive branch

industry is harnessed like a father fucking mule for the state

...

...

...

>> for the protection of the state

I have come to view the State as a machine that converts money into power, and power back into money, in an accelerating feedback cycle. This would make 'national security' a mechanism for defending that machine's operation, and of course, accelerating the process of delivering money/power into the hands of those who already have the most of both.

...

ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form

Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive. Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.

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On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 08:52:45 -0500 Steve Kinney wrote:

Verily. The feedback cycle described above, and the industrial markets that parasitically co-exist with it, must both grow exponentially to survive.

Why? 'power structures' don't need to grow exponentially to survive. As a matter of historical record, they never have. Living things don't need to grow exponentially to survive and neither do their parasites.

Since this exponential growth is happening inside a closed container, failure is inherent in their structural foundations.

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i think there is no good or bad the @UN assembled in the 1900's replaced your fiction of state sovereignty long ago which was always a myth anyway b4 that was the league of nations and before that oppression was just straight up colonialism so... but i was talking about state formation itself be that transnational or national i am talking about the middle man as the state be that monarchy or no rumsfeld recently did an interview on cobert - he was selling some product as usual ... he made a game app about winston churchill - he said isis doesnt like nations but isis actually use that form >>> these kinds of missteps of logic are where the shadow gov comes out to play On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 6:29 PM, juan wrote:

On Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:43:04 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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ask yourself why the state would need to amp its protections : nation state structures are not working its a dying form

...if that's true, then nation states are being replaced with a transnational state. Not exactly good news.

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On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

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On 02/20/2016 07:40 AM, John Young wrote:

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USG is not USA. Apple is not its buyers. USG v Apple is not about citizens and privacy. It's about secretkeepers against the public.

It's also about client (USG) vs. vendor (Apple). The fact that IT vendors get paid to comply with State demands is almost never mentioned in published accounts.

So does the status of many consumer IT vendors including Apple as 'defense' contractors, i.e. the Romas/COIN project and its replacement(s), where Apple was listed as a participant in the bidding process per HB Gary documents. This suggests that Apple is or sought to be complicit in spying on, manipulating, and killing members of the public - strictly for the money, of course.

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