Re: Some possible projects/topics for CypherPunks
This is from the guy who thought up the punk net idea. He has a smallish mbox, so asked me to passs this on. Feel free to mail him directly.. Dwayne. : From jon@werple.apana.org.au Tue Nov 2 17:26:48 1993 : Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 17:26:23 +1100 (EST) : From: Jon Holdsworth <jon@werple.apana.org.au> : Subject: Re: Some possible projects/topics for CypherPunks : To: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Dwayne) : Message-Id: <199311020626.RAA00708@werple.apana.org.au> : : > 1. HARDWARE: What about building our own machines? This is the Vinge-ian : > crypto-anarchy theme ultimately. We should be able to produce our own : > technology, and not depend on the merchantile/government-mandated : > economic system/monopolies. : > : > I see this as being very important to the oceania/autopia/technomad : > ideas and projects of creating ocean-going free societies. : > This is all good encouraging stuff! Of course you realize that half the issue is that PunkNet and some other things HAVE to be *Illegal*. Why? Because they have no point in existing if they can be regulated, taxed, interferred with or "policed" (an abstract) by any govt or comm agency : : > Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the : > hardware-punks? 'ware-punks? :-) or perhaps an even better name This is an excellent idea. Get the HAM crowd into it (The ULTRAnerds) : : > would be The Homebrew Computer Club^2. No that would be a fucking shithouse name : : > 2. STEGENOGRAPHY: Using the genome project data listings : > (bionet.molbio.genbank.updates) as a stegenographic source to : > hide encrypted info in. Similar to the alt.w.a.s.t.e NG, : > but more public. Of course, it'd be bad if your ecrypted data : > got credited with curing/causing a genetic disease.... => : > Mad. I like it : : > 3. PUNK-NET: (see HARDWARE above) Wheeeeeee!!!! : : > 4. POLITICS/ANONYMITY: I may have missed this, but has anyone : > discussed Gibson's "The Republic of Desire" idea of having a : > network based guerilla organization? Not that we need to be : > guerilla's yet, but... : > In MUDS (eg. Graphical muds!!) I think it would become easier than ever to assemble cell-structure type (eg. IRA style) orgs Encyphered PunkNet too : : : > I think the guerilla cell organization would probably lend itself : > to using the DC-net protocols, and developing webs-of-trust Whats DC-net? {Dwayne's note: I'll pass on the DC-NET thing that was posted here a while ago. I've saved it. Somewhere :-/ } (Dwayne Jones-Evans IRC, MediaMOO: ddraig ) ( SCA: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin, Stormhold, Lochac, West) PGP public key available. finger me. be gentle. internet---> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au
: > 1. HARDWARE: What about building our own machines? This is the Vinge-ian : > crypto-anarchy theme ultimately. We should be able to produce our own : > technology, and not depend on the merchantile/government-mandated : > economic system/monopolies. : > : > I see this as being very important to the oceania/autopia/technomad : > ideas and projects of creating ocean-going free societies. I agree. Altho we'd probably want to build our own boards, we'd have to rely on commercially availiable integrated circuits and other components. The components we'd need are fairly easy to obtain, and I don't see any reason to believe that we will have difficulty obtaining computer components to build a secret network in the future. Oceania will probably become a major source of electronic privacy technologies, but that's still several years in the future. : > Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the : > hardware-punks? 'ware-punks? :-) or perhaps an even better name Yes. Who can host the mailing list?
Matthew J Ghio blew a bubble, which danced and sang: : : I agree. Altho we'd probably want to build our own boards, we'd have to : rely on commercially availiable integrated circuits and other : components. The components we'd need are fairly easy to obtain, and I : don't see any reason to believe that we will have difficulty obtaining : computer components to build a secret network in the future. Oceania : will probably become a major source of electronic privacy technologies, : but that's still several years in the future. Oceania is, but we may be able to set up the network soon, with a bit of effort. Or maybe not, it depends on enthusiasm, I suppose. : : > Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the : : > hardware-punks? 'ware-punks? :-) or perhaps an even better name : : Yes. Who can host the mailing list? I may be able to. As in, I have a TCP/IP access and a very large account. Is listserv large? Will I get shot if I install it, I wonder. I've been told that any software I want to run I can install it myself, so I _guess_ this means I could run a mailing list...... I'll talk it over with sysadmin, I think. :-/ Dwayne FAQ stolen by dream bandits (Dwayne Jones-Evans IRC, MediaMOO: ddraig ) ( SCA: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin, Stormhold, Lochac, West) PGP public key available. finger me. be gentle. internet---> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au
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