This is from the guy who thought up the punk net idea. He has a smallish mbox, so asked me to passs this on. Feel free to mail him directly.. Dwayne. : From jon@werple.apana.org.au Tue Nov 2 17:26:48 1993 : Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 17:26:23 +1100 (EST) : From: Jon Holdsworth <jon@werple.apana.org.au> : Subject: Re: Some possible projects/topics for CypherPunks : To: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Dwayne) : Message-Id: <199311020626.RAA00708@werple.apana.org.au> : : > 1. HARDWARE: What about building our own machines? This is the Vinge-ian : > crypto-anarchy theme ultimately. We should be able to produce our own : > technology, and not depend on the merchantile/government-mandated : > economic system/monopolies. : > : > I see this as being very important to the oceania/autopia/technomad : > ideas and projects of creating ocean-going free societies. : > This is all good encouraging stuff! Of course you realize that half the issue is that PunkNet and some other things HAVE to be *Illegal*. Why? Because they have no point in existing if they can be regulated, taxed, interferred with or "policed" (an abstract) by any govt or comm agency : : > Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the : > hardware-punks? 'ware-punks? :-) or perhaps an even better name This is an excellent idea. Get the HAM crowd into it (The ULTRAnerds) : : > would be The Homebrew Computer Club^2. No that would be a fucking shithouse name : : > 2. STEGENOGRAPHY: Using the genome project data listings : > (bionet.molbio.genbank.updates) as a stegenographic source to : > hide encrypted info in. Similar to the alt.w.a.s.t.e NG, : > but more public. Of course, it'd be bad if your ecrypted data : > got credited with curing/causing a genetic disease.... => : > Mad. I like it : : > 3. PUNK-NET: (see HARDWARE above) Wheeeeeee!!!! : : > 4. POLITICS/ANONYMITY: I may have missed this, but has anyone : > discussed Gibson's "The Republic of Desire" idea of having a : > network based guerilla organization? Not that we need to be : > guerilla's yet, but... : > In MUDS (eg. Graphical muds!!) I think it would become easier than ever to assemble cell-structure type (eg. IRA style) orgs Encyphered PunkNet too : : : > I think the guerilla cell organization would probably lend itself : > to using the DC-net protocols, and developing webs-of-trust Whats DC-net? {Dwayne's note: I'll pass on the DC-NET thing that was posted here a while ago. I've saved it. Somewhere :-/ } (Dwayne Jones-Evans IRC, MediaMOO: ddraig ) ( SCA: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin, Stormhold, Lochac, West) PGP public key available. finger me. be gentle. internet---> hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au