Re: [cryptography] NSA Attacks on VPN, SSL, TLS, SSH, Tor

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John Young

30 Dec 2014 30 Dec '14

12:17 p.m.

Cryptome does not pretend to provide illusory security, that is security. It is a vile, rotten, corrupt endeavor, like life. Chuckle. Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security, and not rely upon security promoters, their followers and investors who exploit dependency by fear uncertainty and doubt. Skepticism of security claims and methods is one of the purposes of these lists. Perhaps the main purpose, although it is commonplace for these lists to be used for soliciting befuddled consumers to hop aboard the gravy train. Now and then skeptcism of the security arises but is usually suppressed during times of crisis when incentive is rich to promote poor products and services. Governments, commerce, orgs, experts cooperate to foster crises under guise of opposition. This applies to all forms of security, safety, protection, defense, hygienic pharma. Still, Cryptome endorses the continuing struggle to improve citizen protection, not only as a job, career, industry, but as citizens' obligation to bear responsibility for the commonweal against its inside and outside enemies, if you will, common math against the deadly germs. One way to do that is to not oversell it, tone down the threats, reduce drumbeating, avoid hyperbole for and against, forego advertising, gang-bang hectoring, circle jerk conferencing, TEDing, prize bestowing, to quietly invent, improve, critique, test, apply, re-test often, expect to be deceived by colleagues witting or unwitting, especially by sales, politicians, authoritarians -- the persistent germs. At 02:50 AM 12/30/2014, you wrote:

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john likes to be poetic as a wall - dear john please listen to the smart people and have a small bit of humility - it will make you better at your job and we need EVERYONE to step up and be better at their jobs

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:38 AM, grarpamp <mailto:grarpamp@gmail.comgrarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, John Young <mailto:jya@pipeline.comjya@pipeline.com> wrote:

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Hash this motherfucker, said math to germ.

JYA, you, as the original publisher of various and valued datasets... the responsibility to calculate, sign, and publish said hashes rests with you alone. Please consult with any trusted parties should you need assistance in such matters. A future of archivers, disseminators, and analysts will thank you.

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StealthMonger

30 Dec 30 Dec

3:48 p.m.

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John Young writes:

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At 02:50 AM 12/30/2014, you wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:38 AM, grarpamp <mailto:grarpamp@gmail.comgrarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, John Young <mailto:jya@pipeline.comjya@pipeline.com> wrote:

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Hash this motherfucker, said math to germ.

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JYA, you, as the original publisher of various and valued datasets... the responsibility to calculate, sign, and publish said hashes rests with you alone.

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john likes to be poetic as a wall - dear john please listen to the smart people and have a small bit of humility - it will make you better at your job and we need EVERYONE to step up and be better at their jobs

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Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security ...

Advocacy of skepticism is rendered ineffective if that advocacy extends to skepticism of logic and mathematics. -- -- StealthMonger Long, random latency is part of the price of Internet anonymity. Key: mailto:stealthsuite<youknowwhatgoeshere>nym.mixmin.net?subject=send%20stealthmonger-key

Cari Machet

4:18 p.m.

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you know what nietzsche said about the skeptics - stranglers of life force On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:48 PM, StealthMonger

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John Young writes:

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At 02:50 AM 12/30/2014, you wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:38 AM, grarpamp <mailto:grarpamp@gmail.comgrarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, John Young <mailto:jya@pipeline.comjya@pipeline.com> wrote:

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Hash this motherfucker, said math to germ.

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JYA, you, as the original publisher of various and valued datasets... the responsibility to calculate, sign, and publish said hashes rests with you alone.

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john likes to be poetic as a wall - dear john please listen to the smart people and have a small bit of humility - it will make you better at your job and we need EVERYONE to step up and be better at their jobs

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Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security ...

Advocacy of skepticism is rendered ineffective if that advocacy extends to skepticism of logic and mathematics.

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-- StealthMonger Long, random latency is part of the price of Internet anonymity.

Key: mailto:stealthsuite<youknowwhatgoeshere> nym.mixmin.net?subject=send%20stealthmonger-key

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dan＠geer.org

31 Dec 31 Dec

4:17 a.m.

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you know what nietzsche said about the skeptics - stranglers of life force

Scepticism is the chastity of the intellect; it is shameful to give it up too soon, or to the first comer. -- George Santayana And now that we have reached the dueling quotes stage, it is time to move on to something productive. --dan

Georgi Guninski

5:32 p.m.

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:17:43PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:

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And now that we have reached the dueling quotes stage, it is time to move on to something productive.

--dan

Indeed... I am celebrating New Year's Eve, having beer, cheers :) All the best in 2015! -- [0] Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong -- Oscar Wilde [1] (mainly for atheists, just few bits late) Merry Christmas and all the best in 2015! Jesus loves atheists too ;-) -- unknown

rysiek

10 Jan 10 Jan

1:09 a.m.

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Dnia środa, 31 grudnia 2014 19:32:54 Georgi Guninski pisze:

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:17:43PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:

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And now that we have reached the dueling quotes stage, it is time to move on to something productive.

--dan

Indeed... I am celebrating New Year's Eve, having beer, cheers :)

All the best in 2015!

Try not to commit anything to OpenSSL while you're at it. ;) -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Cathal (Phone)

30 Dec 30 Dec

4:03 p.m.

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Cool story bro. Anyone else who downloaded it care to share/compare hashes? If hashes differ, can then check diffs? On 30 December 2014 12:17:16 GMT+00:00, John Young wrote:

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Cryptome does not pretend to provide illusory security, that is security. It is a vile, rotten, corrupt endeavor, like life. Chuckle.

Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security, and not rely upon security promoters, their followers and investors who exploit dependency by fear uncertainty and doubt.

Skepticism of security claims and methods is one of the purposes of these lists. Perhaps the main purpose, although it is commonplace for these lists to be used for soliciting befuddled consumers to hop aboard the gravy train. Now and then skeptcism of the security arises but is usually suppressed during times of crisis when incentive is rich to promote poor products and services. Governments, commerce, orgs, experts cooperate to foster crises under guise of opposition.

This applies to all forms of security, safety, protection, defense, hygienic pharma.

Still, Cryptome endorses the continuing struggle to improve citizen protection, not only as a job, career, industry, but as citizens' obligation to bear responsibility for the commonweal against its inside and outside enemies, if you will, common math against the deadly germs.

One way to do that is to not oversell it, tone down the threats, reduce drumbeating, avoid hyperbole for and against, forego advertising, gang-bang hectoring, circle jerk conferencing, TEDing, prize bestowing, to quietly invent, improve, critique, test, apply, re-test often, expect to be deceived by colleagues witting or unwitting, especially by sales, politicians, authoritarians -- the persistent germs.

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john likes to be poetic as a wall - dear john please listen to the smart people and have a small bit of humility - it will make you better at your job and we need EVERYONE to step up and be better at

At 02:50 AM 12/30/2014, you wrote: their jobs

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:38 AM, grarpamp <mailto:grarpamp@gmail.comgrarpamp@gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:20 AM, John Young <mailto:jya@pipeline.comjya@pipeline.com> wrote:

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Hash this motherfucker, said math to germ.

JYA, you, as the original publisher of various and valued datasets... the responsibility to calculate, sign, and publish said hashes rests

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you alone. Please consult with any trusted parties should you need assistance in such matters. A future of archivers, disseminators, and analysts will thank you.

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grarpamp

31 Dec 31 Dec

4:22 a.m.

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:17 AM, John Young wrote:

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Cryptome does not pretend to provide illusory security, that is security. It is a vile, rotten, corrupt endeavor, like life. Chuckle. Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security, and not rely [...]

All due respect to Cryptome, and points well made and taken. Yet this isn't really an effective response to the issue at hand. While we should and must be skeptical... until contrary proof exists we should be taking advantage of all means available regarding distribution integrity and even provenance and secret comms if desired. That's hard, it involves some work, and homework. Yet until such proof, it's probably better than going bare assed to the Sun.

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Still, Cryptome endorses the continuing struggle to improve citizen ... common math against the deadly germs.

Indeed.

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One way to do that is to not oversell it, tone down the threats, reduce

Interestingly true in some regards. Yet in the context herein, it's probably not the place to make a stand. Especially considering the stand itself is in one's very existance all so long. Is it not? Oh were there but more of this kind, be they true or not :)

Cari Machet

9:20 a.m.

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dan are you the fucker that doxed me on this list? #boring seth oh yes agreed monolith is inaccurate frames but i think the security state - that has the job of protecting the system no matter what the system looks like or does - is pretty homogenous On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:22 AM, grarpamp wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:17 AM, John Young wrote:

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Cryptome does not pretend to provide illusory security, that is security. It is a vile, rotten, corrupt endeavor, like life. Chuckle. Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security, and not rely [...]

All due respect to Cryptome, and points well made and taken. Yet this isn't really an effective response to the issue at hand. While we should and must be skeptical... until contrary proof exists we should be taking advantage of all means available regarding distribution integrity and even provenance and secret comms if desired. That's hard, it involves some work, and homework. Yet until such proof, it's probably better than going bare assed to the Sun.

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Still, Cryptome endorses the continuing struggle to improve citizen ... common math against the deadly germs.

Indeed.

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One way to do that is to not oversell it, tone down the threats, reduce

Interestingly true in some regards. Yet in the context herein, it's probably not the place to make a stand. Especially considering the stand itself is in one's very existance all so long. Is it not? Oh were there but more of this kind, be they true or not :)

Cari Machet

2:20 p.m.

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ahhhh also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn so the government appears to be into kiddie porn - that is a big factor i would say in light of the estimation percentage and the fact that molesters in the US are rarely given heavy sentences that is when they prosecute them... On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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dan are you the fucker that doxed me on this list?

#boring

seth oh yes agreed monolith is inaccurate frames but i think the security state - that has the job of protecting the system no matter what the system looks like or does - is pretty homogenous

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:22 AM, grarpamp wrote:

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On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:17 AM, John Young wrote:

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Cryptome does not pretend to provide illusory security, that is security. It is a vile, rotten, corrupt endeavor, like life. Chuckle. Visitors, readers, consumers must be skeptical of security, and not rely [...]

All due respect to Cryptome, and points well made and taken. Yet this isn't really an effective response to the issue at hand. While we should and must be skeptical... until contrary proof exists we should be taking advantage of all means available regarding distribution integrity and even provenance and secret comms if desired. That's hard, it involves some work, and homework. Yet until such proof, it's probably better than going bare assed to the Sun.

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Still, Cryptome endorses the continuing struggle to improve citizen ... common math against the deadly germs.

Indeed.

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One way to do that is to not oversell it, tone down the threats, reduce

Interestingly true in some regards. Yet in the context herein, it's probably not the place to make a stand. Especially considering the stand itself is in one's very existance all so long. Is it not? Oh were there but more of this kind, be they true or not :)

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Steve Furlong

1 Jan 1 Jan

5:02 p.m.

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote: porn If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them. Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.) -- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Cari Machet

5:45 p.m.

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan... On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Juan

6:26 p.m.

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism. "you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want" Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Cari Machet

9:10 p.m.

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the state is left to its own devices to do whatever the fuck it wants because the people are morons is the point ... freedom is over rated ... it like the word candy to children ... i prefer structures of community agreements and i can clearly state as an anarchist, that that kind of structure has nothing to do with the state plus the state has long been extra judicial so... On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Cathal Garvey

2 Jan 2 Jan

8:32 a.m.

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of libertarianism. I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx. On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Mirimir

12:40 p.m.

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On 01/02/2015 01:32 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote:

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of libertarianism. I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

No, it's the "children should be free to decide when they're ready to have sex, in consultation with their parents and/or guardians" brand of libertarianism. In my experience, young men fuck literally anything that let's them, while young women have far better sense. But maybe that reflects my patriarchic childhood.

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On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

...
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Cari Machet

5:37 p.m.

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that is a seriously narrow scope of a side topic - considering we were talking specifically about kiddie porn watching ... by old white fat men basically On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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On 01/02/2015 01:32 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote:

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of libertarianism. I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

No, it's the "children should be free to decide when they're ready to have sex, in consultation with their parents and/or guardians" brand of libertarianism. In my experience, young men fuck literally anything that let's them, while young women have far better sense. But maybe that reflects my patriarchic childhood.

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On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

...
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

Cathal (Phone)

5:53 p.m.

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It is of course well understood, these days, that paedophilia is exclusively the domain of white men. On 2 January 2015 17:37:33 GMT+00:00, Cari Machet wrote:

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that is a seriously narrow scope of a side topic - considering we were talking specifically about kiddie porn watching ... by old white fat men basically

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of

On 01/02/2015 01:32 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote: libertarianism.

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I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

No, it's the "children should be free to decide when they're ready to have sex, in consultation with their parents and/or guardians" brand of libertarianism. In my experience, young men fuck literally anything that let's them, while young women have far better sense. But maybe that reflects my patriarchic childhood.

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie

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sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up

On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote: porn then

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you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want

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perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote: > also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used > for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for

them.

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Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up.

I

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typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

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hence the liberatarian protectionism of old fat white men doing anything they fucking want to whoever the fuck they want no matter what ... THEY ARE WHITE MEN SO... its like a syndicate - WHITE MEN UNITE !!!! KILL EVERYONES SOUL!!!! BECAUSE LIBERATARIANISM!!! On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Cathal (Phone)

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It is of course well understood, these days, that paedophilia is exclusively the domain of white men.

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that is a seriously narrow scope of a side topic - considering we were talking specifically about kiddie porn watching ... by old white fat men basically

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of libertarianism. I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

No, it's the "children should be free to decide when they're ready to have sex, in consultation with their parents and/or guardians" brand of libertarianism. In my experience, young men fuck literally anything that let's them, while young women have far better sense. But maybe that reflects my patriarchic childhood.

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong <

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> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet > wrote: >> also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used >> for > child porn > > If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings > correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related > to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly > not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already > know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them. > > Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I > typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search > engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well > enough.) > > -- > Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209 >

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Cathal (Phone)

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... On 2 January 2015 17:59:48 GMT+00:00, Cari Machet wrote:

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hence the liberatarian protectionism of old fat white men doing anything they fucking want to whoever the fuck they want no matter what ... THEY ARE WHITE MEN SO... its like a syndicate - WHITE MEN UNITE !!!! KILL EVERYONES SOUL!!!! BECAUSE LIBERATARIANISM!!!

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Cathal (Phone)
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It is of course well understood, these days, that paedophilia is exclusively the domain of white men.

On 2 January 2015 17:37:33 GMT+00:00, Cari Machet wrote:

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that is a seriously narrow scope of a side topic - considering we

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talking specifically about kiddie porn watching ... by old white fat men basically

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Mirimir wrote:

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On 01/02/2015 01:32 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote:

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of

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I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

No, it's the "children should be free to decide when they're ready to have sex, in consultation with their parents and/or guardians" brand of libertarianism. In my experience, young men fuck literally anything

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let's them, while young women have far better sense. But maybe that reflects my patriarchic childhood.

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On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

> good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting > (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie

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> sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up

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> you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - > perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

> > On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong < demonfighter@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet >> wrote: >>> also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used >>> for >> child porn >> >> If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings >> correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related >> to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly >> not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already >> know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for

were libertarianism. that porn then them.

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>> >> Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I >> typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search >> engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well >> enough.) >> >> -- >> Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209 >> > > >

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Dnia piątek, 2 stycznia 2015 18:59:48 Cari Machet pisze:

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hence the liberatarian protectionism of old fat white men doing anything they fucking want to whoever the fuck they want no matter what ... THEY ARE WHITE MEN SO... its like a syndicate - WHITE MEN UNITE !!!! KILL EVERYONES SOUL!!!! BECAUSE LIBERATARIANISM!!!

Awww, look, what a cute little racism just here. :3 -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147

Juan

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On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 08:32:16 +0000 Cathal Garvey wrote:

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Cool, the "we should be free to rape children" brand of libertarianism. I'd entirely forgotten to add you to my devnull when I switched hardware, thx.

So Cathal was even more of a retard than I originally thought. Then again Cathal likes to argue against online markets for drugs in a cypherpunk mailing list, so I shouldn't be surprised.

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On 01/01/15 18:26, Juan wrote:

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:45:48 +0100 Cari Machet wrote:

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good point - so, the US government is interested in supporting (through practice) the society doing drugs and watching kiddie porn sounds accurate to me - keep the populous stupid and fucked up then you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want - perfect plan...

You seem to be missing the poing...Legislation against 'drugs' and so called 'age of consent' 'laws' are prime examples of statism.

"you are left to your own devices to do whatever the fuck you want"

Yeah, it's called freedom.

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On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Steve Furlong wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Cari Machet wrote:

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also seth it appears that dark web is 80 % estimated to be used for child porn

If I read the report correctly (and the report reported the findings correctly), the estimate was that 83% of dark web searches related to child porn. That's plausible, I suppose, though I'm certainly not taking it at face value. If I wanted to buy drugs, I already know the marketplaces to go to and don't need to search for them.

Anyway, I just did my part to keep the kidzor pr0n searches up. I typed "lolita", "loli", or "loil" into a handful of onion search engines. (That last one was a typo, but the engine took it well enough.)

-- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209

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