-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199412112031.MAA21646@netcom12.netcom.com>, mpd@netcom.com (Mike Duvos) wrote:

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Now all the lame press (and some even LAMER USENET readers) are screaming foul. I bet there will be renewed interest in the cypherpunk remailer's in the next few days :>

I suppose this means we need strong laws against "message laundering."

Hey, don't kid yourself! I have read comments to the extent that anon remailers like the cypherpunks system should be BANNED! Seriously....another good reason for putting more in Europe if possible. Here's an idea. Someone mentioned trying to set up an anon remailer on the North American Freenets, but it seemed there were software compatibility problems. Well, if we could solve the problem, assuming the Freenets in Europe use the same software, we could set a few up in Europe ourselves from this side of the pond. You could telnet into a Euro-Freenet (although some like Helsinki had restrictions on members being citizens of the country) establish an account and then e-mail the software to your account overseas. Would this be practical? Sounds like it would be worth a shot. But again, I guess it comes down to the software compatibility problem. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBLuuFcHBFBj7pSNyhAQF61gf/ZyrleHTVK61ruT7SvT+3BOHTYNo1eZHa FMnEoMDGm99f0Ckr8pFwAMQcBSMEeskdg2OKjluVG8KG5y4zvejueGqElETiAkbB XkOK+v1iAe8WFFyy3Fu0lYR/jfEcghOf1WmaJ7IRn/XTPgSlS0k21iXBC1tHSEhZ guQRXLZC3XW8DPXBC61F2fzID/ogvXE9ATvyxEem88BOnAyUwXNsk649biGFrczh grwGT3BUxYMk3zYTYusnC9XxUZ3JjtbiLVpZ+9e8GKNTtyR3qqxJhloZBBOxDlyx kUH1lhNeI8qWHsaZQui1FrsG+O15ZHV7/d8Rk7teXLMFBafgJRpEHQ== =0VL9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <llEzkKjqRyB8075yn@skypoint.com>, skaplin@skypoint.com (Samuel Kaplin) wrote:

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In article <JFuwkOwscsY5075yn@io.org>, you wrote:

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Here's an idea. Someone mentioned trying to set up an anon remailer on the North American Freenets, but it seemed there were software compatibility problems.

I'm the one guilty of that, the thread was under "Guerrilla Remailers." I wonder if it is possible to call procmail on these systems via the .forward file. If it is, why couldn't we write a procmail .procmailrc file to sanitize the headers? Drop three files in place and the remailer is up and running. Anyone have a freenet account to find out if this is possible?

Well I have an account on the Cleveland Freenet. Fire me over the necessary files with the instructions and we'll see pretty quickly whether its doable or not. I guess we'll also find out real fast (if it works) how long the freenet authorities will let it keep running... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBLvUMQHBFBj7pSNyhAQFvVQf/Wy9VzIeFz0a57uXFGcKRJPO+PQ3N9MYu XYJJlAXHXRCGsOUyGDWQt1gD2Cs0gA7rHHy3mXvN29Yv0i+53WFMrv2B/nx7gc5N 8taCKe7F8Lax+k//ytMfdTbLwZbmeV3jaqXe4YVDAVK5fFV29ulcOmGpXuYlFksD i4W5/qy03BHq1ckWSz89EC3LT1NDdjr1JxbY0zr8OATaUoWS+3oUtSB890OE0G0N dinwdBT533xsfQz8NFsOH9LoRQ2AsiwVwdoTclSeto/ys5uLJPOSBYtgZdUzxmKf O+dHzKkYYDrbCug3zZZjbX7sIMoTHc6/Fhc0ttyD6zak+m7X0op+wA== =8I5c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Ironically, I did not know about this brouhaha until reading about it here today. A few days ago I got this email: Subject: Premier Bob To: hfinney@jobe.shell.portal.com Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 8:10:36 EST Congrulations! Your forgery made the Globe and Mail today. This meant nothing to me so I ignored it. But on reading the article this appears to be a major incident, involving heated accusations and walkouts on the floor of the Ontario legislature. The Portal system, the internet service provider I use, has apparently taken some heat but they have not contacted me. A thread in can.politics titled "The Bob Rae Forgery Caper" includes a copy of the original message. Here are some excerpts from the Globe and Mail article, which was widely cross-posted.

TORONTO - Progressive Conservative Leader Michael Harris caused an uproar in the Ontario Legislature yesterday by presenting a prank letter circulating on the Internet computer system that is purported to have been written by Premier Bob Rae. The computer message has Mr. Rae making tasteless references to Ontario's Attorney-General Marion Boyd and commenting on the trial of Karla Homolka, who was convicted in the slayings of two Ontario schoolgirls. A copy of the letter obtained by The Globe and Mail warns that "this message is NOT from the person listed in the from line. It is from an automated software remailing service" in California. This message was on the letter from the time the company received it and passed it on to the computer bulletin board where Internet users can read it, said Gwen Rachlin, director of operations for Portal Communications of Cupertino, Calif., through which the message was posted. [...] Ms. Rachlin said the company received a call from police about the letter yesterday afternoon. But she said the company had already had "some incidents" with the source of the message. She added that she was ready to co-operate with the police. The source of the message was an account that provides a service that allows people anonymous access to the Internet, she said. Mr. Sherman said it is very easy to post a false message on a bulletin board and to make it appear that it came from a computer different from the one that sent it. By going through a California bulletin board, "obviously someone has gone way out of their way to send that in," Mr. Sherman added. Even so, the message can be traced, said Rick Broadhead, co- author of The Canadian Internet Handbook. "If they [the sender] have gone through a service, it is going to take some more work to trace it," Mr. Broadhead said. But looking at the log records of the computer service, police can follow the message back to the originating computer.

I do not have any logs of this message. However, my remailer does not insert any delays so it is conceivable that sendmail logs could give some insight into message flow through the remailer. I don't know what obligation I would be under to cooperate with any investigation. The message itself had some pointed political satire but did not look to me to violate any US laws. There is not much I can do to help, anyway. The article indicated that the legislature has now gone into recess for the year so hopefully this will all be old news by the time they reconvene. One thing I do notice on reading the discussion in can.politics is the fact that despite the disclaimers in the message headers, some people took this as a forgery attempt on my part. I wonder if it might be necessary to insert disclaimers into the body of the message as anon.penet.fi does, at least for messages to known mail-to-news gateways. There was also a misperception that my remailer was an official effort endorsed by Portal (again, despite the disclaimers). Note that it was they who were contacted, not me (yet). This might suggest that it will not be possible to cleanly separate the remailer operators and service providers when problems like this arise. Both may end up being hassled (time will tell whether I am). It should be interesting to see what happens. Hal

Wouldn't this be a case to make for digital signatures? TRY to forge my 4K key. PLEASE!! Nathan