[UR-WG] OGF28 Schedule

[Johannes Reetz]

Hi Andrea, John, Jules,...

Am 23.03.2010 16:58, schrieb Jules Wolfrat:
> John, Andrea,
>
>    
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On
>> Behalf Of john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk
>> Sent: 23 March 2010 16:42
>> To: andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it; ur-wg at ogf.org
>> Subject: Re: [UR-WG] OGF28 Schedule
>>
>> Andrea, at OGF28 someone suggested that we had a choice of either
>> fitting the storage record into the existing UR or defining a new
>> standard.  I do not think that this is the case. The existing UR
>> UsageRecord element has a UsageRecordType type of which
>> JobUsageRecord
>> is a defined type. I think we need to define a new type
>> StorageUsageRecord which can contain some of the existing Global
>> attributes defined for the JobUsageRecord.
>>      
> So, apparently the choice already was made, with good arguments!
>    
I am not sure whether a choice has already been made, but I like to 
second John's and Jules' statements and arguments here.

As far as I can see, the general concept of the usage of compute 
resources is orthogonal to the general concept of the usage of storage 
resources.
This is what we discovered and discussed step by step during the meeting 
last week - I think.

Of course we will have go through the details and should analyze some 
variety of realistic use cases before we should make the final design 
decisions.

However, currently I have no doubt that we might end up with a resource 
usage model that will require for different schemas, one for the 
description of the consuption of compute resources where the attributes 
startTime and endTime make sense and another for the current consumption 
storage resources which could be represented by long-time archives as 
well as by short.time storages.

Regards,
Johannes

> Regards,
>
> Jules
>    
>> We could also define a FileUsageRecord to cover the case you were
>> defining Andrea.
>>
>> John
>>
>>      
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On
>>>        
>> Behalf
>> Of
>>      
>>> Andrea Cristofori
>>> Sent: 23 March 2010 14:49
>>> To: ur-wg at ogf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [UR-WG] OGF28 Schedule
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> While waiting for the minute I'll suggest we can already start to
>>> discuss one basic topic that came up during the meeting before we
>>>        
>> move
>>      
>>> to more specific things.
>>>
>>> - Since the beginning I was thinking just to add new properties
>>>        
>> to the
>>      
>>> existing UR definition. This would allow to choose those that are
>>> needed
>>> in each situation and reuse those that are common. In case of new
>>> versions of the UR definition if we update a property then is not
>>> needed
>>> to update all the definition if this is common. Not all of us
>>>        
>> agreed
>>      
>>> with that and it was proposed to create a different usage record
>>>        
>> for
>>      
>>> the
>>> Storage.
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>> - What would you prefer to do in case we discuss other property
>>>        
>> not
>>      
>>> directly connected with storage accounting? Should we include
>>> everything
>>> in the discussion now or concentrate only on this topic and try
>>>        
>> to
>>      
>>> finalize an update before moving to other things?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/18/2010 05:19 PM, Andrea Cristofori wrote:
>>>        
>>>> P.S.: here is the link
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ogf.org/gf/event_schedule/?id=2029
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 03/18/2010 05:15 PM, Andrea Cristofori wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have uploaded the slide I presented in Munich last Monday.
>>>>>            
>> As
>> soon
>>      
>>> as
>>>        
>>>>> we check the minute of the discussion I will upload the file,
>>>>>            
>> we
>> can
>>      
>>>>> continue the discussion and decide how to proceed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/10/2010 04:40 PM, Andrea Cristofori wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a session scheduled for Monday, March 15 from 4:00 pm
>>>>>>              
>> to
>>      
>>> 5:30 pm
>>>        
>>>>>> Location: HGB-A 016.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda:
>>>>>> - UR for Storage Accounting discussion
>>>>>> - AUR discussion
>>>>>> - AOB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to add or change something on the agenda please
>>>>>>              
>> let me
>>      
>>> know.
>>>        
>>>>>> I'm plannig to prepare some slide to show to the people
>>>>>>              
>> present
>>      
>>> there
>>>        
>>>>>> that can be a starting point for the discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>
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