[scrm-wg] Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1

Fri Feb 26 21:48:38 CST 2010

Morning,

I'm of mixed minds about this and while I was initially well and truly with
Krishna ("*I do *not* think this group should anything with CCIF.*") there
may be ways we can handle this which do not involve disbanding the CCIF
altogether nor snuffing out the good work being done here.

As I discussed with Mark today, I think the best thing to do is to keep the
CCIF list separate from this group and use it as a "*broader discussion
group around open cloud standards*". We can either import the CCIF members
into this list and move to another or import the CCIF members into a new
list (like cloudstandards-discuss), but whatever we do we should move it to
a new home. Conversely, if we were to dump everyone in the same pot I think
we'll achieve nothing but the loss of this functional (if
toothless<http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1261>)
communication channel, which would be literally killing two birds with one
stone.

If we can't nut something sensible out then let's not take any chances -
inter-SDO communication channels are few and far between and we can always
buy eyeballs!

Sam

-- 
*Sam Johnston*
*Technical Program Manager*
Site Reliability Engineering
Google Switzerland GmbH

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:43 AM, <Craig.A.Lee at aero.org> wrote:

>
> All,
>
> What a lively debate -- hopefully it will generate more light than heat ;->
>
> What has always struck me about any standards process is that there is a
> technical kernel of a problem wrapped in a maelstrom of social and market
> processes.  I find myself trying to do what amounts to social engineering in
> an effort to move the technical ball forward.  I'd be more than happy to
> discuss how we can move the technical ball forward through whatever set of
> demos that address major stakeholder requirements, and recruit all those
> that would like to participate and sponsor.  Demos can be a forcing function
> that gets us past the powerpoint engineering and perhaps facilitate an
> emergent dominant practice.  We only need to decide where, when, how, etc.
> (All trivial decisions ;->)
>
> --Craig
>
>
> At 3:03 PM -0800 2/26/10, Krishna Sankar (ksankar) wrote:
>
> Good, let us start buying mailing lists and marketing materials. That is a
> good way to start interoperability. What exactly is this followers crap ?
> Are we buying into a cult ?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> <k/>
>
>
>
> *From:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> cloudstandards at googlegroups.com]* On Behalf Of* Jim Warner
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 10:53 AM
> *To:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com; Mailing List for SCRM-WG
> *Cc:* Bob Marcus; Reuven Cohen
> *Subject:* Re: Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
>
>
>
> Laboring in anonymity?  Why not just disband all together as that will
> provide the ultimate cloak of invisibility.
>
> Successful standards aren't those with superior technical meat.  A standard
> gains mainstream adoption because people think "everyone else" is using it.
>  To that end, Reuven has compiled an impressive cadre of followers.  Why
> would anyone want to turn them away?
>
> What would be the reason to soldier on in a bunker when we can bring many
> others into the fold?
>
> Jim Warner
>
>
> On 2/26/10 12:35 PM, "Krishna Sankar (ksankar)" <ksankar at cisco.com> wrote:
>
> With due respect to Reuven and his work, I do **not** think this group
> should anything with CCIF. Let us labor in anonymity and attract membership
> (and mindshare) by our work and demos.
> Just my ~$0.02.
> Cheers
> <k/>
>
>
> *From:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com [
> mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com <cloudstandards at googlegroups.com>]*On Behalf Of
> * Mark A. Carlson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 9:28 AM
> *To:* CloudStandards at googlegroups.com; Mailing List for SCRM-WG
> *Cc:* Bob Marcus; Reuven Cohen
> *Subject:* Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
>
> 6am PDT, 7am MDT, 9am EDT, 10 pm JST
>
> Call info:
>
> (866)5455227 code: 6300276#
> International: (215) 446-3648
>
> Agenda:
>
> Reuven Cohen has offered to turn over the CCIF google group <
> http://groups.google.com/group/cloudforum>  forum
> for use by this group. Here are the resources that he has accumulated:
>
> 1. 1170 members on the Google Group
> 2. #1 result for cloud interoperability among others.
> 3. Linkedin Groups, 1,375 Members
> 4. Twitter Account, @CloudForum > 4931 followers
> 5. www.cloudforum.org <http://www.cloudforum.org>  > SEO Page rank of 5
> (which is really good)
> 6. Attendee & sponsorship Lists from the events in New York and San
> Franciso
>
> We will discuss if it makes sense to use this as a broader discussion group
> around open cloud standards.
>
> Cloud Demo update - Mark
>
> Cloud Wiki Updates?
> http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
> SCRM Wiki Updates?
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1479
>
> Events updates?
> http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=CloudStandards:Curre
> nt_events
>
> Cloud Standards Google Group:
> http://groups.google.com/group/CloudStandards
>
> Cloud Demo Google Group:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-demo
>
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