[scrm-wg] Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
Hiro Kishimoto
hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Fri Feb 26 23:40:38 CST 2010
Hi Sam,
> As I discussed with Mark today, I think the best thing to do is
> to keep the CCIF list separate from this group and use it as
> a "/broader discussion group around open cloud standards/".
I like your idea. Two lists should not be mixed.
Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:[scrm-wg] Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
From: Sam Johnston <samj at samj.net>
To: cloudstandards at googlegroups.com
Cc: Bob Marcus <robert.marcus at sri.com>, Reuven Cohen <ruv at enomaly.com>,
Mailing List for SCRM-WG <scrm-wg at ogf.org>
Date: 2010/02/27 12:48
> Morning,
>
> I'm of mixed minds about this and while I was initially well and truly
> with Krishna ("/I do *not* think this group should anything with
> CCIF./") there may be ways we can handle this which do not involve
> disbanding the CCIF altogether nor snuffing out the good work being done
> here.
>
> As I discussed with Mark today, I think the best thing to do is to keep
> the CCIF list separate from this group and use it as a "/broader
> discussion group around open cloud standards/". We can either import the
> CCIF members into this list and move to another or import the CCIF
> members into a new list (like cloudstandards-discuss), but whatever we
> do we should move it to a new home. Conversely, if we were to dump
> everyone in the same pot I think we'll achieve nothing but the loss of
> this functional (if toothless
> <http://stage.vambenepe.com/archives/1261>) communication channel, which
> would be literally killing two birds with one stone.
>
> If we can't nut something sensible out then let's not take any chances -
> inter-SDO communication channels are few and far between and we can
> always buy eyeballs!
>
> Sam
>
> --
> *Sam Johnston*
> /Technical Program Manager/
> Site Reliability Engineering
> Google Switzerland GmbH
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:43 AM, <Craig.A.Lee at aero.org
> <mailto:Craig.A.Lee at aero.org>> wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> What a lively debate -- hopefully it will generate more light than
> heat ;->
>
> What has always struck me about any standards process is that there
> is a technical kernel of a problem wrapped in a maelstrom of social
> and market processes. I find myself trying to do what amounts to
> social engineering in an effort to move the technical ball forward.
> I'd be more than happy to discuss how we can move the technical ball
> forward through whatever set of demos that address major stakeholder
> requirements, and recruit all those that would like to participate
> and sponsor. Demos can be a forcing function that gets us past the
> powerpoint engineering and perhaps facilitate an emergent dominant
> practice. We only need to decide where, when, how, etc. (All
> trivial decisions ;->)
>
> --Craig
>
>
> At 3:03 PM -0800 2/26/10, Krishna Sankar (ksankar) wrote:
>> Good, let us start buying mailing lists and marketing materials.
>> That is a good way to start interoperability. What exactly is this
>> followers crap ? Are we buying into a cult ?
>>
>> Cheers
>> <k/>
>>
>> *From:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com>
>> [mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com>]* On Behalf Of* Jim Warner
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 10:53 AM
>> *To:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com>; Mailing List for SCRM-WG
>> *Cc:* Bob Marcus; Reuven Cohen
>> *Subject:* Re: Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
>>
>> Laboring in anonymity? Why not just disband all together as that
>> will provide the ultimate cloak of invisibility.
>>
>> Successful standards aren't those with superior technical meat. A
>> standard gains mainstream adoption because people think "everyone
>> else" is using it. To that end, Reuven has compiled an impressive
>> cadre of followers. Why would anyone want to turn them away?
>>
>> What would be the reason to soldier on in a bunker when we can
>> bring many others into the fold?
>>
>> Jim Warner
>>
>>
>> On 2/26/10 12:35 PM, "Krishna Sankar (ksankar)"
>> <ksankar at cisco.com> wrote:
>> With due respect to Reuven and his work, I do **not** think this
>> group should anything with CCIF. Let us labor in anonymity and
>> attract membership (and mindshare) by our work and demos.
>> Just my ~$0.02.
>> Cheers
>> <k/>
>>
>>
>> *From:* cloudstandards at googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:cloudstandards at googlegroups.com]* On Behalf Of* Mark A.
>> Carlson
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 9:28 AM
>> *To:* CloudStandards at googlegroups.com; Mailing List for SCRM-WG
>> *Cc:* Bob Marcus; Reuven Cohen
>> *Subject:* Cloud Standards/SCRM meeting Monday 3/1
>>
>> 6am PDT, 7am MDT, 9am EDT, 10 pm JST
>>
>> Call info:
>>
>> (866)5455227 code: 6300276#
>> International: (215) 446-3648
>>
>> Agenda:
>>
>> Reuven Cohen has offered to turn over the CCIF google group
>> <http://groups.google.com/group/cloudforum> forum
>> for use by this group. Here are the resources that he has accumulated:
>>
>> 1. 1170 members on the Google Group
>> 2. #1 result for cloud interoperability among others.
>> 3. Linkedin Groups, 1,375 Members
>> 4. Twitter Account, @CloudForum > 4931 followers
>> 5. www.cloudforum.org <http://www.cloudforum.org>
>> <http://www.cloudforum.org> > SEO Page rank of 5 (which is really
>> good)
>> 6. Attendee & sponsorship Lists from the events in New York and
>> San Franciso
>>
>> We will discuss if it makes sense to use this as a broader
>> discussion group
>> around open cloud standards.
>>
>> Cloud Demo update - Mark
>>
>> Cloud Wiki Updates?
>> http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
>>
>> SCRM Wiki Updates?
>> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1479
>>
>> Events updates?
>> http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=CloudStandards:Current_events
>> <http://cloud-standards.org/wiki/index.php?title=CloudStandards:Current_events>
>>
>> Cloud Standards Google Group:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/CloudStandards
>>
>> Cloud Demo Google Group:
>> http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-demo
>>
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