[Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via existing specifications

[Morris Riedel]

Good man!

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Morris Riedel
SW - Engineer
Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division
Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC)
Forschungszentrum Juelich
Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1
D - 52425 Juelich
Germany

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Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498
Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe
Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), 
Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)

>------Original Message-----
>-From: Etienne URBAH [mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr]
>-Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:47 PM
>-To: Morris RIEDEL
>-Cc: pgi-wg at ogf.org; Oleg LODYGENSKY; edges-na3 at mail.edges-grid.eu
>-Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via existing
specifications
>-
>-Morris and All,
>-
>-Concerning the PGI Execution Service :
>-
>-Lot of thanks to Morris for the wiki page at
>-http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES
>-
>-I am NOT especially Pro or Contra :
>--  keeping the existing stacked specifications,
>--  or starting a new stand-alone focused specification.
>-
>-But we need clarification, and I think that this wiki page helps.
>-
>-So I added into this wiki page the 'List of OGSA-BES et al.
>-specifications'.  Please verify if this list is complete, relevant and
>-accurate.
>-
>-Best regards.
>-
>------------------------------------------------------
>-Etienne URBAH         LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS
>-                       Bat 200   91898 ORSAY    France
>-Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87      Skype: etienne.urbah
>-Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27      mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr
>------------------------------------------------------
>-
>-
>-On Wed, 13 May 2009, Morris Riedel wrote:
>-> Hey PGI team,
>->
>->
>->   we are running in the pro/contra discussions again and again as it
looks
>-> like... consuming our valuable time fosterings positions w/o clear
>-> understanding of the bigger picture.
>->
>->
>-> I suggest we clearly collect all statements related to pro/contra new /
old
>-> specs inside the following wiki page tables:
>->
>->
>->
http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.pgi-wg/wiki/GES?_mes
>-> sage=1242216401105
>->
>->
>-> Let's try to collect all statements and positions and have an objective
>-> whole view on all of them together by filling out this page.
>->
>->
>-> I hope this also supports the telcon so thanks for adding your views to
the
>-> tables.
>->
>->
>-> Your co-chair,
>-> Morris
>->
>->
>-> ------------------------------------------------------------
>-> Morris Riedel
>-> SW - Engineer
>-> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division
>-> Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC)
>-> Forschungszentrum Juelich
>-> Wilhelm-Johnen-Str. 1
>-> D - 52425 Juelich
>-> Germany
>->
>-> Email: m.riedel at fz-juelich.de
>-> Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel
>-> Phone: +49 2461 61 - 3651
>-> Fax: +49 2461 61 - 6656
>->
>-> Skype: MorrisRiedel
>->
>-> "We work to better ourselves, and the rest of humanity"
>->
>-> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Jülich
>-> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Düren Nr. HR B 3498
>-> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig'in Bärbel Brumme-Bothe
>-> Vorstand: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender),
>-> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender)
>->
>->> ------Original Message-----
>->> -From: pgi-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:pgi-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf
Of
>->> -Andrew Grimshaw
>->> -Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:48 PM
>->> -To: 'Steven Newhouse'; 'Etienne Urbah'; 'Andrew GRIMSHAW'
>->> -Cc: pgi-wg at ogf.org; edges-na3 at mail.edges-grid.eu;
lodygens at lal.in2p3.fr
>->> -Subject: Re: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization
>-> viaexistingspecifications
>->> -
>->> -All,
>->> -The standard is the standard.
>->> -
>->> -That said what I was trying to point out was
>->> -	1) That with minor updates to the BES spec, say to a 1.1 version we
>->> -could accommodate many of the requirements in the GES document
>->> -	2) That in fact the authors of the BES anticipated many of these
>->> -same issues but that they were weeded out.
>->> -
>->> -As another note since it was perhaps not clear. I was NOT suggesting
that
>->> -sub-states become part of a new BES 1.1 specification - that "pending"
>->> -perhaps should, and that we PROFILE the substates.
>->> -
>->> -Talk to you all in 130 minutes.
>->> -
>->> -A
>->> -
>->> -> -----Original Message-----
>->> -> From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse at cern.ch]
>->> -> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:08 AM
>->> -> To: Etienne Urbah; Andrew GRIMSHAW
>->> -> Cc: pgi-wg at ogf.org; edges-na3 at mail.edges-grid.eu;
lodygens at lal.in2p3.fr
>->> -> Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] PGI Execution Service - Realization via
>->> -> existingspecifications
>->> ->
>->> ->
>->> -> > -  For BES, official recommendation GDF.108 does NOT contain the
>->> -> > 'Running:Stage-in' and 'Running:Stage-out' states.
>->> -> >
>->> -> >     So we have to decide which basis we take for BES :
>->> -> >
>->> -> >     - Either OFFICIAL recommendation GDF.108, which I suppose is
the
>->> -> > one for which you mention existing implementations.
>->> ->
>->> -> This should be the basis for any further work. Andrew circulated
earlier
>->> -> versions just to show you relevant functions that were discussed
that
>->> -> did not make it into the final version.
>->> ->
>->> -> Steven

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