[Pgi-wg] No PGI TelCon today

[Oxana Smirnova]

Hi all,

as one of the "rest of the group", I can say that I'm not too 
comfortable with the idea of many co-chairs. I rather believe in one 
leader, and possibly a deputy or a few, whatever is the activity. But 
that's just me (and thousands of years of human society experience).

That said, I also agree with Morris that the most important part is not 
to count chair-persons, but to have proper representations from each 
interested party, such that not only this party has a say in PGI, but 
also that the PGI decisions are adopted by all the parties.

So, whatever is the number of chair-persons, they all must be respected 
as authorities both in PGI and in their respective projects.

Cheers,
Oxana

Morris Riedel пишет:
> Ok,
> 
>   I agree that we have an open collaborative process, no doubt:
> 
>> -Considering that we are not having a call today because both of you are unavailable there might be an argument that additional leadership is needed because you are both busy....
> 
> 
> That might be the case, but take into account that it's vacation time, at least in Europe - and the rather more important group argument should be that there are not enough significant 'voices' today to make decisions or even meaningful progress. 
> 
> In other words you will not reach 'ir-reversal decisions' ( :-)... a double no ) since there is no one from gLite, UNICORE, nor ARC or even EDGES (to the best of my knowledge) available today.
> 
> 
> 
> PGI progress is important, especially to me and that's why I proposed this GIN-spin-off group, and the most of us really would like to push this activity forward as best as possible, but reaching an agreement only with a small fraction in any type of PGI matters does not make sense. Even discussing it lead to a waste of time since these topics have to be re-discussed.
> 
> 
> There is no point to have an agreement w/o gLite, UNICORE, ARC. Even another chair can't do something in this particular context - you might proceed with a third chair and continue w/o significant presence but this will certainly lead to a standard that is not broadly adopted in the European infrastructures, so a LOSE/LOSE game for everybody interested in PGI, including US infrastructure providers that seek the achieve the interoperability with European infrastructures as far as I know.
> 
> 
> If this group is really following a collaborative process, we should have a voice from everybody who is interested - and when we not wait for one or more interested voices in terms of  'just-going-forward-with-meaningless-decisions' - that would be not a WIN/WIN game in the end that we want to achieve in the group. 
> 
> 
> Again - It's the process of involving the right folks at the right time - not the 'pure' standard itself.
> 
> 
> But please continue the discussion of  "how does the rest of the group feel about this...?"....
> 
> 
> Take care,
> Morris
> 
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>> ------Original Message-----
>> -From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse at cern.ch]
>> -Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:44 AM
>> -To: Riedel, Morris; pgi-wg at ogf.org
>> -Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] No PGI TelCon today
>> -
>> -> I discussed shortly with Balazs that we both are able to handle this
>> -> w/o the need for a third.
>> -
>> -And how does the rest of the group feel about this...?
>> -
>> -Considering that we are not having a call today because both of you are unavailable
>> -there might be an argument that additional leadership is needed because you are
>> -both busy....
>> -
>> -Steven
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