[ogsa-wg] [OGSA-BES-WG] HPC profile questionaire draft
Ian Foster
foster at mcs.anl.gov
Fri Nov 17 16:49:22 CST 2006
Marty:
Please don't apologize: you should never let a comment from me go
without response (-:
I didn't mean to suggest that the HPC Profile should not be passed to
the GGF editor.
However, while we should certainly celebrate our success in creating the
profile and getting people to implement it, I think it is critically
important that we be explicit about how tiny a step we have taken.
Otherwise, we risk backlash from the "public" (when they look at this
spec we are making such a fuss over) and also, potentially, a loss of
focus from the vendors who we need to work towards true interop. For
some vendors, having a spec that they can say they are compliant
with--and then extend in nonstandard ways to address security, staging,
etc., etc.--will be more important than continuing the hard work of
specification.We don't want to let that happen.
Ian.
Marty Humphrey wrote:
>
> Ian,
>
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't let that "far from adequate" go by without
> response. For the real business scenarios that we have been pursuing,
> I do not believe that the HPC Profile is "far from adequate". This has
> been reinforced by our experience talking with people at SC.
>
>
>
> Post-thanksgiving, our WG will refine the HPC Profile somewhat, but I
> don't believe that we will have a significant effort before pushing it
> to the GGF editor.
>
>
>
> As you know, its design is one of extensibility and composability. I
> believe that the HPC "Base Profile" will be sufficient for many real
> business use cases. I also believe that the planned extensions are
> important for many situations.
>
>
>
> - Marty
>
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> *From:* ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org
> [mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Ian Foster
> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2006 3:26 PM
> *To:* Subramaniam, Ravi
> *Cc:* ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org; ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org; ogsa-wg at gridforum.org
> *Subject:* Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
>
>
>
> I want to understand what people think we need for real interop. The
> HPC Profile as currently defined seems far from adequate for that
> purpose. We've mention staging and security as two issues. There are
> presumably others.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> Subramaniam, Ravi wrote:
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> Hi Andrew,
>
>
>
> One question could be "Is the profile as it stands complete from your
> perspective? At least for the focus/business areas or types of
> customers that you plan to implement for?"
>
>
>
> The motivation is that depending on the verticals (e.g. financial,
> pharma) there may be some issue that may need to be resolved to be
> successful. In this way at least some target constituencies that can
> best benefit from what is currently there can be determined. We can
> also begin more targeted campaign at the OGF level towards
> consumers/customers/end-users and providers in that segments. Building
> traction in one of more specific segments may help build momentum for
> others.
>
>
>
> Ravi
>
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> *From:* ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org <mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org>
> [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Maguire_Tom at emc.com
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> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2006 11:12 AM
> *To:* grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu <mailto:grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu>;
> ogsa-wg at gridforum.org <mailto:ogsa-wg at gridforum.org>;
> ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org <mailto:ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org>;
> ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org <mailto:ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
>
>
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> Is there enough specificity in the profile for your engineers to
> successfully implement? If not what do you need?
>
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>
>
> Tom
>
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> *From:* ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org <mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org>
> [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grimshaw
> *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2006 10:21 AM
> *To:* 'Ogsa-Wg'; ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org <mailto:ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org>;
> ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org <mailto:ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org>
> *Subject:* [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
>
>
>
> All,
>
> At the OGSA F2F I was tasked with coming up with a series of questions
> about the HPC profile experiences to go into a zoomerang, so that an
> experiences paper could be generated -- either for HPC profile, JSDL,
> and/or BES.
>
>
>
> Here is a start. Note -- comment on/add questions. Do NOT answer
> them!!! That will come later.
>
>
>
> 1) Will the HPC-Profile be useful to your organization/company?
> Explain.
>
> 2) Will you engineer your products to be hpc-profile compliant?
>
> 3) In your opinion, are there any unresolved ambiguities? Explain?
>
> 4) Thoughts on the next profile? Anything in particular from BES or
> JSDL (or other specification) that you would like to include.
>
> 5) Approximately how many person-days did it take you to implement
> the HPC-profile?
>
> 6) What would you change in the HPC-profile? Why?
>
>
>
> Remember this is a STRAWMAN ONLY for discussion! Please add, suggest
> removal, or modify the above.
>
>
>
> A
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> Andrew Grimshaw
>
> Professor of Computer Science
>
> University of Virginia
>
> 434-982-2204
>
> grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu <mailto:grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu>
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Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
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