Ian,
I'm sorry, but I can't let that "far from adequate" go by without response.
For the real business scenarios that we have been pursuing, I do not believe
that the HPC Profile is "far from adequate". This has been reinforced by our
experience talking with people at SC.
Post-thanksgiving, our WG will refine the HPC Profile somewhat, but I don't
believe that we will have a significant effort before pushing it to the GGF
editor.
As you know, its design is one of extensibility and composability. I believe
that the HPC "Base Profile" will be sufficient for many real business use
cases. I also believe that the planned extensions are important for many
situations.
- Marty
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From: ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On
Behalf Of Ian Foster
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 3:26 PM
To: Subramaniam, Ravi
Cc: ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org; ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org; ogsa-wg at gridforum.org
Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
I want to understand what people think we need for real interop. The HPC
Profile as currently defined seems far from adequate for that purpose. We've
mention staging and security as two issues. There are presumably others.
Ian.
Subramaniam, Ravi wrote:
Hi Andrew,
One question could be "Is the profile as it stands complete from your
perspective? At least for the focus/business areas or types of customers
that you plan to implement for?"
The motivation is that depending on the verticals (e.g. financial, pharma)
there may be some issue that may need to be resolved to be successful. In
this way at least some target constituencies that can best benefit from what
is currently there can be determined. We can also begin more targeted
campaign at the OGF level towards consumers/customers/end-users and
providers in that segments. Building traction in one of more specific
segments may help build momentum for others.
Ravi
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Maguire_Tom at emc.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:12 AM
To: grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu; ogsa-wg at gridforum.org; ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org;
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Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
Is there enough specificity in the profile for your engineers to
successfully implement? If not what do you need?
Tom
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From: ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of
Andrew Grimshaw
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:21 AM
To: 'Ogsa-Wg'; ogsa-hpcp-wg at ggf.org; ogsa-bes-wg at ggf.org
Subject: [ogsa-wg] HPC profile questionaire draft
All,
At the OGSA F2F I was tasked with coming up with a series of questions about
the HPC profile experiences to go into a zoomerang, so that an experiences
paper could be generated - either for HPC profile, JSDL, and/or BES.
Here is a start. Note - comment on/add questions. Do NOT answer them!!! That
will come later.
1) Will the HPC-Profile be useful to your organization/company? Explain.
2) Will you engineer your products to be hpc-profile compliant?
3) In your opinion, are there any unresolved ambiguities? Explain?
4) Thoughts on the next profile? Anything in particular from BES or JSDL
(or other specification) that you would like to include.
5) Approximately how many person-days did it take you to implement the
HPC-profile?
6) What would you change in the HPC-profile? Why?
Remember this is a STRAWMAN ONLY for discussion! Please add, suggest
removal, or modify the above.
A
Andrew Grimshaw
Professor of Computer Science
University of Virginia
434-982-2204
grimshaw at cs.virginia.edu
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