[ogsa-wg] Job State proposal made to SAGA-RG

[Christopher Smith]

If people are willing to spend some time discussing this at GGF17, I would
take a stab at rendering both BES and ESI using the SAGA model, and send it
out before we get to Tokyo.

-- Chris

On 20/4/06 15:28, "Ian Foster" <foster at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:

> that would be great
> 
> At 11:26 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> And the SAGA model can be used (maybe with some refinement) to model all
>> three of ESI, BES and SAGA state diagrams...
>> 
>> You can probably guess which model I would vote for. :-)
>> 
>> -- Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/4/06 11:11, "Ian Foster" <foster at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>> 
>> It's certainly very desirable that we end up with a single common model!
>> 
>> We have the ESI model, that reflects experience in GRAM and Unicore; the BES
>> model; and the SAGA model.
>> 
>> Ian.
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:08 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> And I would encourage BES to pick up this model as well. I was going to make
>> this comment on the BES document, if it ever would show up in public
>> comment.
>> 
>> -- Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/4/06 08:15, "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> > Quoting [Ian Foster] (Apr 20 2006):
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Chris:
>>>> >> I don't understand why SAGA is proceeding with a job state modeling
>>>> effort
>>>> >> independent of BES. Can you explain?
>>>> >> Ian.
>>> > 
>>> > Ah, but we don't :-)  SAGA has a very simple state model
>>> > (new, running, done, failed, unknown).  However, the states
>>> > have 'substates', which can be queried, and expose the
>>> > complete BES state model.
>>> > 
>>> > The simple model above only exposes those states which can
>>> > be changed with SAGA calls.  As saga calls get added, e.g.
>>> > for hold, more stated might get exposed on that level.
>>> > 
>>> > Please have a look at
>>> > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/png00005.png
>>> > I hope that state diagram makes that clearer.  I am not sure
>>> > if it is in sync with the current BES states.
>>> > 
>>> > Another post to exactly that topic is at
>>> > http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00131.html
>>> > 
>>> > Cheers, Andre.
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>>> >> At 07:18 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>      Hi all,
>>>> >>      Per Marvin's comments ...
>>>> >>      Here is a pointer to the proposal for modelling job states that I
>>>> made
>>>> >> to
>>>> >>      the SAGA group last February.
>>>> >>      
>>>> >> 
>>>> [1]http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00107.htm
>>>> >>      l
>>>> >>      -- Chris
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>  _______________________________________________________________
>>>> >>       Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
>>>> >>    Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>>>> >>    Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
>>>> >>    Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
>>>> >>    Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: [2]www.ci.uchicago.edu.
>>>> >>          Globus Alliance: [3]www.globus.org.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> References
>>>> >> 
>>>> >>    1. 
>>>> >> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00107.html
>>>> >>    2. http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/
>>>> >>    3. http://www.globus.org/
>>> > 
>>> > 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________________________
>>   Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
>> Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>> Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
>> Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
>> Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: www.ci.uchicago.edu <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/>
>> <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/> .
>>       Globus Alliance: www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/>
>> <http://www.globus.org/> .
>>         
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________________________
>    Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
> Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
> Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
> Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
> Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: www.ci.uchicago.edu <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/>
> .
>       Globus Alliance: www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/> .
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