[ogsa-wg] Job State proposal made to SAGA-RG

[Hiro Kishimoto]

Hi Chris,

That's fine by me. At this Monday's OGSA-WG call, let's discuss if we
can add this topic to OGSA-WG EMS session at GGF17 (Thursday, May 11,
3:45 pm - 5:15 pm )

Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto

Christopher Smith wrote:
> If people are willing to spend some time discussing this at GGF17, I would
> take a stab at rendering both BES and ESI using the SAGA model, and send it
> out before we get to Tokyo.
> 
> -- Chris
> 
> On 20/4/06 15:28, "Ian Foster" <foster at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
> 
>> that would be great
>>
>> At 11:26 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> And the SAGA model can be used (maybe with some refinement) to model all
>>> three of ESI, BES and SAGA state diagrams...
>>>
>>> You can probably guess which model I would vote for. :-)
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/4/06 11:11, "Ian Foster" <foster at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's certainly very desirable that we end up with a single common model!
>>>
>>> We have the ESI model, that reflects experience in GRAM and Unicore; the BES
>>> model; and the SAGA model.
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:08 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>> And I would encourage BES to pick up this model as well. I was going to make
>>> this comment on the BES document, if it ever would show up in public
>>> comment.
>>>
>>> -- Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/4/06 08:15, "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Quoting [Ian Foster] (Apr 20 2006):
>>>>>>> Chris:
>>>>>>> I don't understand why SAGA is proceeding with a job state modeling
>>>>> effort
>>>>>>> independent of BES. Can you explain?
>>>>>>> Ian.
>>>>> Ah, but we don't :-)  SAGA has a very simple state model
>>>>> (new, running, done, failed, unknown).  However, the states
>>>>> have 'substates', which can be queried, and expose the
>>>>> complete BES state model.
>>>>>
>>>>> The simple model above only exposes those states which can
>>>>> be changed with SAGA calls.  As saga calls get added, e.g.
>>>>> for hold, more stated might get exposed on that level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please have a look at
>>>>> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/png00005.png
>>>>> I hope that state diagram makes that clearer.  I am not sure
>>>>> if it is in sync with the current BES states.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another post to exactly that topic is at
>>>>> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00131.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, Andre.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 07:18 AM 4/20/2006 -0700, Christopher Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hi all,
>>>>>>>      Per Marvin's comments ...
>>>>>>>      Here is a pointer to the proposal for modelling job states that I
>>>>> made
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>      the SAGA group last February.
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>
>>>>> [1]http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00107.htm
>>>>>>>      l
>>>>>>>      -- Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>       Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
>>>>>>>    Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>>>>>>>    Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
>>>>>>>    Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
>>>>>>>    Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: [2]www.ci.uchicago.edu.
>>>>>>>          Globus Alliance: [3]www.globus.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> References
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1. 
>>>>>>> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/saga-rg/2006/02/msg00107.html
>>>>>>>    2. http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/
>>>>>>>    3. http://www.globus.org/
>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________________________
>>>   Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
>>> Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>>> Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
>>> Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
>>> Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: www.ci.uchicago.edu <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/>
>>> <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/> .
>>>       Globus Alliance: www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/>
>>> <http://www.globus.org/> .
>>>         
>>>
>> _______________________________________________________________
>>    Ian Foster, Director, Computation Institute
>> Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>> Argonne: MCS/221, 9700 S. Cass Ave, Argonne, IL 60439
>> Chicago: Rm 405, 5640 S. Ellis Ave, Chicago, IL 60637
>> Tel: +1 630 252 4619.  Web: www.ci.uchicago.edu <http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/>
>> .
>>       Globus Alliance: www.globus.org <http://www.globus.org/> .
>>         
>>
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