[ogsa-wg] Draft ByteIO Document

Sun Mar 13 20:10:52 CST 2005

Steve,

Thanks for the comment.  In retrospect, there was probably no reason for me
to even put that paragraph into the document that I sent out.  All I was
trying to say was that I believe that the adoption of grid's is reliant upon
simple, easy access to the grid's functionallity.  In the case of data, the
simplest form of data access can be granted to grid users through common
protocols and tools like NFS and CIFS.  Keeping that in mind is a good
thing.  But, as you correctly pointed out, there isn't an explicit
relationship between NFS and CIFS and ByteIO.

-Mark

--
Mark Morgan
Research Scientist
Department of Computer Science
University of Virginia
http://www.cs.virginia.edu
mmm2a at virginia.edu
(434) 982-2790  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Tuecke [mailto:tuecke at univa.com] 
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 9:26 PM
> To: Mark Morgan
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> Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] Draft ByteIO Document
> 
> Mark,
> 
> You write "Further, we also believe that access to grids 
> through the use of readily available, common protocols such 
> as NFS and CIFS is important for the adoptability of grid 
> technology. This document describes a prototype interface for 
> a ByteIO port type – a simple web service port type which is 
> reminiscent of a posix-like interface. This prototype 
> addresses the various requirements for a simple, basic data 
> access layer which NFS and CIFS modules can easily be written 
> to interface with."
> 
> I don't understand the relationship you are asserting between 
> the ByteIO Web Service interface and NFS and CIFS.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> On Mar 11, 2005, at 2:50 PM, Mark Morgan wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Morgan
> > Research Scientist
> > Department of Computer Science
> > University of Virginia
> > http://www.cs.virginia.edu
> > mmm2a at virginia.edu
> > (434) 982-2790
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dave Berry [mailto:daveb at nesc.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:50 AM
> >> To: ogsa-wg
> >> Cc: Dave Pearson; Mario Antonioletti; Martin Westhead; 
> >> gtr at ast.cam.ac.uk; chappella at battelle.org; arun at sdsc.edu; 
> >> jxu at us.ibm.com; o.tatebe at aist.go.jp; Yves.Denneulin at imag.fr; 
> >> ppadala at cise.ufl.edu; ivm at fnal.gov; jalameda at ncsa.uiuc.edu; 
> >> annc at isi.edu; madsen at us.ibm.com; allcock at mcs.anl.gov; Allen 
> >> Luniewski; Malcolm Atkinson; Susan Malaika; Peter Clarke 
> (UCL); David 
> >> E Martin; Peter Kunszt; Ian.Bird at cern.ch; Erwin.Laure at cern.ch; 
> >> Gavin.Mccance at cern.ch; Scott Oster; Stephen Langella; Shannon 
> >> Hastings; Manuel Pereira; Ted Anderson; Leo Luan; Mark M. Morgan
> >> Subject: Data: Proposed agenda for Wednesday 9th March: NEW TIME
> >>
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Here is a proposed agenda for the data telcon on Wednesday 
> March 9th, 
> >> which will be at the NEW agreed time of 7.30am PST / 10.30am EST / 
> >> 3.30pm GMT / 4.30 pm CET.
> >>
> >> UK Dial In: 0845 245 0224
> >> US Dial In: 1866 838 0046
> >> International Dial In: +44 1452 542309
> >>
> >> PIN Number: 632 065
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Early discussion (5 min)
> >>       Note taker assignment
> >>       Roll call
> >>       Minutes approval (attached) -
> >> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/Minutes_
> >> 23rd_Febru
> >> ary_2005/en/1
> >>       Agenda bashing
> >>
> >> 2) Update on outstanding actions (5 min)
> >> - Dave to write draft charter for ByteIO WG
> >> - Mark to prepare document describing the draft ByteIO interface
> >> - Simon to mail the list about different types of metadata:
> >> data resource vs. service.
> >> - Mark to mail around URL of notes from London meeting
> >> - Dave to revise the current "straw man" document for next week
> >> - Dave to prepare concrete proposal for initial data 
> profile (ByteIO, 
> >> RNS, DAIS, GridFTP?)
> >>
> >> 3) GGF13 main session preparation (10 min) As part of the 
> main OGSA 
> >> outreach session, I will give a presentation on the data 
> design team 
> >> and the work we've done so far.  I'd like to discuss this with the 
> >> team on this call.
> >>
> >> 4) GGF13 BOF preparation (10 min)
> >> We have a BOF scheduled about the ByteIO interface.  I 
> have sent out 
> >> a draft charter for the proposed WG.  I would like to 
> discuss how we 
> >> should structure the BOF session.
> >>
> >> 5) GGF13 Profile preparation (10 min) Our first design 
> team session 
> >> is earmarked for discussion of an initial data profile, probably 
> >> containing DAIS, SRM, ByteIO and possibly GridFTP.  RNS 
> has been put 
> >> in a naming profile.  I would like to discuss how we 
> should structure 
> >> the discussion.  Also, it would be very helpful if someone would 
> >> volunteer to write a first draft of a profile document.
> >>
> >> 6) Architecture update (15 min)
> >> I have put the current draft on GridForge - see 
> >> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/OGSA_Dat
> >> a_Architec
> >> ture_Straw_Man/en/1.  We have a session booked to discuss this at 
> >> GGF13, where we will concentrate on data architecture.
> >>
> >> 7) Wrap up (5 min)
> >>       AOB
> >>
> >> Dave Berry
> >> Research Manager, National e-Science Centre
> >> 15 South College St., Edinburgh
> >> Tel: +44 131 6514039
> >>
> >  
> 
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