[ogsa-wg] RE: GRIDtoday Edition: Tony Hey: 'Challenging Times for GGF & Standards'

[Dennis Gannon]

hi Sam,
i don't think MS has any orchestrated view on WSRF at all (but i may
be wrong.)  I think it is more the case that there are people working on
grid standards (outside of microsoft) that feel that what exists in the
ws-spec world is sufficient. hence if there is any onus, it is on those
folks to show us that this is true.  what tony is saying is that users,
i.e. application builders, should not have to deal with these details. The
should see clearly defined OGSA services and they should have an easy
to understand set of interaction patterns to use these services to build
thier applications.  the OGSA point of view is that to be precise in
the definition of these behavior patterns requires a framework like wsrf.

i actually feel that these things can all coexist.  but from the politics
of "what is simple", we seem to live in interesting times.

dennis

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, Samuel Meder wrote:

> On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 14:38 -0800, Frank Siebenlist wrote:
> > Could anyone summarize MS' WS-view, and how it differs from WSRF?
>
> So far I have not seen any substantial difference between the two
> approaches and I definitely believe the onus is on MS to show why people
> should adopt their proprietary specifications vs. adopting something
> that is being developed in a open standards body, is getting very close
> to a 1.0 version and has multiple implementations behind it.
>
> /Sam
>
> >
> > Thanks, Frank.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >Absorbing article by Tony Hey.
> > >
> > >http://news.tgc.com/nview.jsp?appid=360&print=1#342708
> > >----
> > >Hiro Kishimoto
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>                                GRIDtoday
> > >>             NEWS AND INFORMATION FOR THE GLOBAL GRID COMMUNITY
> > >>                    --- February 28, 2005: Vol. 4, No. 8 ---
> > >>           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >>SPECIAL FEATURES
> > >>==============================================================
> > >>
> > >>[ ] M342708 ) WSRF? WS-*? Where is GGF's OGSA Headed?
> > >>              By Tony Hey, Contributing Editor
> > >>
> > >>  Tony Hey, director of e-Science for the Engineering and Physical
> > >>Science Research Council, continues to elaborate the need for open
> > >>standards in the realm of Web services-based Grid computing. He
> > >>discusses the great debate of WSRF vs. WS-*, and lays out what the
> GGF
> > >>must do with OGSA in order to give e-Science application developers
> > >>something to rally around.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Sam Meder <meder at mcs.anl.gov>
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