[ogf20pc] Notes from last night's telcon

[David Wallom]

Hi Erwin,

Sorry erwin I certainly did not mean to single out gLite and my mistake if
it came across like that. My point was that as PC we should be pushing the
developer track to be as inclusive as possible. This should certainly
include not just job submission mechanisms since that community though large
will never be enough on their own to make grid ubiquitous. I would like to
ensure we have a fair balance between _ALL_ middleware and was just a little
concerned that to untrained eyes (ie the many newcomers from europe
generally who will attend OGF hopefuly) we may not appear to be so.

Cheers

David 


On 22/2/07 09:35, "Erwin Laure" <Erwin.Laure at cern.ch> wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> I don't think you get my point: I was asking what the procedure for
> filling the developers track are. I simply don't know.
> 
> Since you seem to have a specific problem with me assuming gLite would
> get a slot: In time of OGF19 I responded to the invitation I've got
> presenting gLite in the developers track that we won't do it at OGF19,
> but rather at OGF20, so I assume I will get the slot having registered a
> long time ago ;-) Also, don't forget that this is a co-organized event
> with the program for Wednesday being shared and developed jointly!
> 
> I share your concerns about "OGF promoting software" but that's a more
> general point on the developers track that should not be discussed in
> the PC but the relevant OGF bodies.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- Erwin
> 
> David Wallom wrote:
>> Hi Erwin,
>> 
>> I feel that should we have the developer track then it should be along the
>> lines of 'all or nothing', independent of what has been externally promised
>> to certain groups.
>> We cannot as an organisation (OGF that is not EGEE) be seen to publicly back
>> one or two sets of m/ware over another, especially  those products that are
>> not using many of the standards that are in draft left alone
>> recommendations.
>> This may leave those that fund people to visit OGF questioning why all this
>> work on standards that aren't being incorporated into software that OGF is
>> being seen to promote. My point is that it is all about image and in some
>> further ways as a man from Google said today on the BBC 'eating our own
>> dogfood'.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> On 22/2/07 08:21, "Erwin Laure" <Erwin.Laure at cern.ch> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> I don't think this is what we decided. We only discussed the workshop
>>> program and from the submissions received we identified some that would
>>> better fit into the developers track. There are already other sessions
>>> considered for the developers track, like gLite and globus.
>>> 
>>> However, I (and the people on the phone last time) don't know how the
>>> developers track eventually will be put together, i.e. how contributions
>>> are solicited. Geoffrey?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> -- Erwin
>>> 
>>> David Wallom wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Dave et al,
>>>> Many thanks for these notes. I am _VERY_ concerned though that we are half
>>>> considering cancelling the developer track. I feel that we either cancel it
>>>> all or have a fully representative set of middleware & tools. Since a large
>>>> part of the UK e-Science community will be there who would not normally
>>>> attend we would be in danger of giving the impression that these two and
>>>> these two alone are OGF recommended middleware, which bearing in mind that
>>>> they are largely not standards based may seem an error.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> 
>>>> On 21/2/07 23:11, "Dave Berry" <daveb at nesc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As promised, here are the notes fron last night's telephone meeting.  As
>>>>> you will see, we are recommending several mergers between proposed
>>>>> workshops.  I have mailed the organisers of the relevant workshops.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave Berry
>>>>> Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development
>>>>> National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street
>>>>> Edinburgh, EH8 9AA           Tel: +44 131 651 4039
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>> 
> 

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