[ogf20pc] Notes from last night's telcon

[Erwin Laure]

Yes! Fully d'accord!

Cheers,

-- Erwin

David Wallom wrote:
> Hi Erwin,
> 
> Sorry erwin I certainly did not mean to single out gLite and my mistake if
> it came across like that. My point was that as PC we should be pushing the
> developer track to be as inclusive as possible. This should certainly
> include not just job submission mechanisms since that community though large
> will never be enough on their own to make grid ubiquitous. I would like to
> ensure we have a fair balance between _ALL_ middleware and was just a little
> concerned that to untrained eyes (ie the many newcomers from europe
> generally who will attend OGF hopefuly) we may not appear to be so.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David 
> 
> 
> On 22/2/07 09:35, "Erwin Laure" <Erwin.Laure at cern.ch> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi David,
>>
>>I don't think you get my point: I was asking what the procedure for
>>filling the developers track are. I simply don't know.
>>
>>Since you seem to have a specific problem with me assuming gLite would
>>get a slot: In time of OGF19 I responded to the invitation I've got
>>presenting gLite in the developers track that we won't do it at OGF19,
>>but rather at OGF20, so I assume I will get the slot having registered a
>>long time ago ;-) Also, don't forget that this is a co-organized event
>>with the program for Wednesday being shared and developed jointly!
>>
>>I share your concerns about "OGF promoting software" but that's a more
>>general point on the developers track that should not be discussed in
>>the PC but the relevant OGF bodies.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>-- Erwin
>>
>>David Wallom wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Erwin,
>>>
>>>I feel that should we have the developer track then it should be along the
>>>lines of 'all or nothing', independent of what has been externally promised
>>>to certain groups.
>>>We cannot as an organisation (OGF that is not EGEE) be seen to publicly back
>>>one or two sets of m/ware over another, especially  those products that are
>>>not using many of the standards that are in draft left alone
>>>recommendations.
>>>This may leave those that fund people to visit OGF questioning why all this
>>>work on standards that aren't being incorporated into software that OGF is
>>>being seen to promote. My point is that it is all about image and in some
>>>further ways as a man from Google said today on the BBC 'eating our own
>>>dogfood'.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>>
>>>On 22/2/07 08:21, "Erwin Laure" <Erwin.Laure at cern.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi David,
>>>>
>>>>I don't think this is what we decided. We only discussed the workshop
>>>>program and from the submissions received we identified some that would
>>>>better fit into the developers track. There are already other sessions
>>>>considered for the developers track, like gLite and globus.
>>>>
>>>>However, I (and the people on the phone last time) don't know how the
>>>>developers track eventually will be put together, i.e. how contributions
>>>>are solicited. Geoffrey?
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>-- Erwin
>>>>
>>>>David Wallom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Dave et al,
>>>>>Many thanks for these notes. I am _VERY_ concerned though that we are half
>>>>>considering cancelling the developer track. I feel that we either cancel it
>>>>>all or have a fully representative set of middleware & tools. Since a large
>>>>>part of the UK e-Science community will be there who would not normally
>>>>>attend we would be in danger of giving the impression that these two and
>>>>>these two alone are OGF recommended middleware, which bearing in mind that
>>>>>they are largely not standards based may seem an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>David
>>>>>
>>>>>On 21/2/07 23:11, "Dave Berry" <daveb at nesc.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As promised, here are the notes fron last night's telephone meeting.  As
>>>>>>you will see, we are recommending several mergers between proposed
>>>>>>workshops.  I have mailed the organisers of the relevant workshops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dave Berry
>>>>>>Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development
>>>>>>National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street
>>>>>>Edinburgh, EH8 9AA           Tel: +44 131 651 4039
>>>>>>
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