[ogf20pc] Today's telcon

[Malcolm Atkinson]

My understanding Geoffrey was that any activity aimed at developing and
sustaining a grid community was and is an activity in a community programme.
I find it hard to understand the distinction between a meeting of a
community group which is, at least in part, trying fulfil that obligation
and a meeting in the ³community programme². I agree that ET-CG has plenty of
flexibility about when it meets, compared with some other activities that
you wish to cluster.  The value of including some of the *-CG activities
within the cluster of your community programme should be considered.

I still find it a complete semantic mystery how the phrase ³community
programme² doesn¹t include the meetings of the community groups.
But no problems now <((-:}

Malcolm



On 13/2/07 17:12, "Geoffrey Fox" <gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:

> I apologize that ice storm here has made it impossible for me to attend
> telecon
> 
> Proposed strategy looks good!
> I did communicate with IVOA and they indicated that they could even prefer
> OGF21 to OGF20
> I suggested ET-CG switch to group sessions
> 
> The community program is aimed at significant mini-workshops rather than
> individual presentations or other 90 minute events that can be done by group
> mechanism. I would prefer a few good "significant" projects be chosen rather
> than many small ones
> 
> Dave Berry wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Erwin,
>> 
>> There are fewer than 48 proposals, as some proposals requested more than
>> one session.  
>> 
>> I realise that we won't be able to consider every proposal in detail but
>> I would like to briefly consider each one, seeing in which track they
>> would best fit.  I agree that a more detailed consideration will have to
>> take place off-line.
>> 
>> I would also like to see whether we want to respond to some proposers
>> with alternative possibilities.  E.g. for some, we might ask whether
>> they would consider running in fewer sessions.  For others, we might
>> suggest they are more appropriate as group sessions, or that they give a
>> presentation in the Grids Mean Business track instead of running in a
>> separate session.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> 
>>   
>>  
>>>  
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Erwin Laure [mailto:Erwin.Laure at cern.ch]
>>> Sent: 13 February 2007 14:47
>>> To: Dave Berry
>>> Cc: ogf20pc at ogf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [ogf20pc] Today's telcon
>>> 
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> 
>>> Do you really want to do that online in the phone conference? Going
>>> online through all the 48 proposals will probably not be very
>>> efficient. 
>>> Also, I doubt many of us had the chance to carefully look
>>> into them (at 
>>> least, I wasn't able to do so, yet).
>>> 
>>> May I propose to do an off-line ranking according to your
>>> suggestion in 
>>> the coming days (say until Friday) and then discuss the
>>> ranked results 
>>> in the PC meeting?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> -- Erwin
>>> 
>>> Dave Berry wrote:
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> A reminder that we have a telcon today, at 9am PST / 11am
>>>>       
>>>>  
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>>> CST / 12am EST 
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>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> / 5pm GMT / 6pm CET / 2am JST / 3am Sydney.
>>>>  
>>>> I want to go through the community proposals.  For each proposal, I
>>>> suggest we first decide whether it falls under the remit of
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> e-Science, 
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Enterprise, or other.  Then I'd like to rate each proposal from 1-5
>>>> according to the scale below, ignoring whether we can schedule the
>>>> event.  We should also decide whether the content could be
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> suitable for 
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> another type of sessions, e.g. a Group Session, Grid Means
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> Business, or 
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> the Developer track.
>>>>  
>>>> When rating proposals, we should consider the relevance to
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> Grid, the 
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> international scope, the quality of the content and the
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> relevance to OGF.
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Ratings:
>>>> 1 - Not suitable for OGF.
>>>> 2 - A session that fails some of the criteria and should only be
>>>> included if we need to fill slots.
>>>> 3 - A good session that fits all or most of the criteria;
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> to be included 
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> if slots is available.
>>>> 4 - A good session that fits all the criteria; to be
>>>>       
>>>>  
>>>  
>>> included if possible.
>>>     
>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 5 - An excellent session that should be included no matter what
>>>>  
>>>> The dialin details are as before:
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>>>> 
>>>> Passcode: 275359
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Berry
>>>> Deputy Director, Research & E-infrastructure Development
>>>> National e-Science Centre, 15 South College Street
>>>> Edinburgh, EH8 9AA                  +44 131 651 4039
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
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