[occi-wg] Deadline for consensus

[Sam Johnston]

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Roger Menday
<roger.menday at uk.fujitsu.com>wrote:

>
> Hi Sam,
>
> not to undervalue your hard work, but in my opinion I don't think we will
> be able to make a decision this week. We don't have all the time in the
> world, but I don't fancy rushing a decision on this one.
>

If you're right and we can't make a decision this week (bearing in mind that
all the information we need to make it is already on the table) then I fear
we'll not be able to make a decision at all. It certainly wouldn't be the
first working group to lose inertia after getting caught up in a religious
debate and it won't be the last, but we need to draw the line somewhere and
get on with the job. Public perception aside, it's important that we don't
miss the only opportunity we have to gather information from an OGF event
rather than wasting even more of everyone's time.

What more do you need for us to get out of this rut because I'm beginning to
lose faith... what started as something I was proud to be involved in is
fast becoming an embarassment.

Sam


> All,
>
> As you know our already extended deadline for the formats discussion passed
> on Friday. Thijs is now in the unfortunate position of having to explain why
> we will miss our first self-assigned deliverable deadline (an implementable
> draft) on Thursday and I know well how it feels to have to stand in front of
> an audience with nothing to say, having done so twice last week (it's only
> with a big "personal vision only" disclaimer that I was able to say anything
> at the Cloud Computing Expos).
>
> Iff we can come to consensus about the format today (or at the very latest
> tomorrow) then we need not watch another deadline sail by and in doing so
> risk being declared a failure prematurely. Indeed if we can't achieve even a
> loose consensus after all the discussion then I may well be the first to say
> so - my time (and travel!) budget for OCCI has already been well exceeded
> and the irrelevant RF vs RAND discussion has tested what's left of my
> patience. Please focus on the task at hand and if you have any specific
> issues about the latest proposal then raise them sooner rather than later -
> I've put considerable effort into optimising Atom out for the most common
> use case (individual resources) over the weekend and by shifting metadata to
> HTTP headers the resulting descriptor format is far simpler than even I
> would have thought possible - see APIDesign<http://forge.ogf.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.occi-wg/wiki/APIDesign>for examples.
>
> On the subject of rolling our own protocol from scratch, I for one am
> dismissing the suggestion for reasons previously explained. I don't think
> this group has (nor needs) what it takes to implement an Internet protocol
> from the ground up and any attempt to do so would be fraught with danger,
> not to mention completely unnecessary given the corpus of work done by
> others at the IETF (who *are* geared up for such tasks).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam
>
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