[dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal

[Thijs Metsch]

+1 on the changes!

How do we reach consensus: are we doing the humming? 

-Thijs

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Papaspyrou
[mailto:alexander.papaspyrou at tu-dortmund.de]
> Sent: Montag, 31. Mai 2010 17:32
> To: Thijs Metsch
> Cc: dcifp-bof at ogf.org
> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
> 
> Am 31.05.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Thijs Metsch:
> 
> >
> > Sure in Q6 you can reference to Grid and Cloud. But in the scope and
> > focus area it should be crystal clear and narrow focused :-)
> 
> +1
> 
> > Let's do one step following the other - we don't know yet if we will
> > have an API or Protocol (or maybe that existing solutions will even
> be
> > sufficient so we don't need to do anything) - so maybe reword it
like
> > this:
> >
> > After initial research the DCI Federation Protocol Working Group
will
> > deliver an API or Protocol. It will allow automatic negotiated,
> > SLA-secured and dynamically provisioned federation of resources and
> > services in distributed environments.
> 
> I propose to rephrase again and say:
> 
> The DCI Federation Protocol Working Group (DCIFP-WG) will deliver a
> specification for the automatically negotiated, SLA-secured,
> dynamically
> provisioned federation of resources.
> 
> Note that "services" has been removed as well.
> 
> > BTW: DCIFP-WG is almost unpronounceable :-) maybe go for DCIFEP?
> 
> Nice. I was thinking of DCIfed.
> 
> And, guys, remember: no votes, consensus only (after all, it's
OGF...)!
> 
> -Alexander
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Alexander Papaspyrou
> > [mailto:alexander.papaspyrou at tu-dortmund.de]
> >> Sent: Montag, 31. Mai 2010 17:08
> >> To: Thijs Metsch
> >> Cc: Edmonds, AndrewX; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
> >> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
> >>
> >> Hey Thijs,
> >>
> >> Am 31.05.2010 um 16:59 schrieb Thijs Metsch:
> >>
> >>> Or option 3) remove references to Grid & cloud and just leave the
> >>> description you already have in there:
> >>>
> >>> The DCI Federation Protocol Working Group (DCIFP-WG) will deliver
> an
> >> API
> >>> specification for the automatically negotiated, SLA-secured,
> >> dynamically
> >>> provisioned federation of resources and. The scope of the
> >> specification
> >>> will include (1) the delegation
> >>> of workload from one domain into the other, covering description,
> >>> submission,
> >>> and monitoring; and (2) leasing of resources, including
definition,
> >>> provisioning, and monitoring.
> >>
> >> good idea, +1 from me. Alas, we will have to explicitly state (at
> >> least) Grid in the "who will uptake" Q6, I think.
> >>
> >>> Second question would be: API vs Protocol???
> >>
> >> That's also not entirely clear to me and partly the reason for
> making
> >> the bold statement of "protocols and APIs" here and there.
> >>
> >> I think that for the "automatically negotiated" part, we will have
> to
> >> specify some kind of protocol, even if it boils down to a rather
> > simple
> >> sequence diagram. Also, I probably tend to use the term "protocol"
> >> loosely here: I certainly do not want to define a new Over-The-Wire
> >> protocol -- just thinking of "steps to take to get a
> delegation/lease
> >> done".
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Alexander
> >>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org
[mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
> >> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Edmonds, AndrewX
> >>>> Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Mai 2010 19:17
> >>>> To: Alexander Papaspyrou; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
> >>>>
> >>>> On a second read...
> >>>> Another aspect to consider is whether the charter should to have
a
> >>> wide
> >>>> scope (cloudcomputing && gridcomputing) or narrow/focused scope
> >>>> (cloudcomputing || gridcomputing). My own (biased ;-)) opinion on
> >> this
> >>>> would be that a narrow and focused scope is taken.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org
[mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
> >> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Edmonds, AndrewX
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:44 PM
> >>>> To: Alexander Papaspyrou; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Alexander,
> >>>> Great start and the charter reads very well!
> >>>>
> >>>> In the charter (Q1) it says that the WG will define a new API.
> >> Granted
> >>>> that might be an eventual necessity and outcome/output but should
> > it
> >>>> also be captured in the charter that suggested
> >>> extensions/modifications
> >>>> to the listed existing standards be developed and provided as an
> >>> output
> >>>> of the group and input to other OGF WGs? What I'm suggesting here
> > is
> >>> to
> >>>> avoid the recreation of existing APIs/protocols by using the new
> > API
> >>> as
> >>>> a proxy to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> What's described in the charter would be of interest to SLA at SOI
> and
> >> I
> >>>> would imagine the SLA at SOI/RESERVOIR collaboration group that is
> >>>> currently active (I've mailed out to that group) would have an
> >>> interest
> >>>> too.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org
[mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
> >> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Alexander Papaspyrou
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:02 AM
> >>>> To: dcifp-bof at ogf.org
> >>>> Subject: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear DCIFP participants,
> >>>>
> >>>> our stated goal for OGF30 was to form a "real" group, that is
move
> >>> away
> >>>> from our current BoF status. For those not familiar with the OGF
> >>>> process, this requires a formal group creation request to the
Grid
> >>>> Forum Steering Group (GFSG) and a charter describing the purpose,
> >>>> goals, and scope of the group, and its position within OGF and
> > other
> >>>> standardization organizations.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have written a draft charter (see below) on the basis of what
> > I've
> >>>> found from other successfully established groups and our
> > discussions
> >>> in
> >>>> Munich.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please review and comment!
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Alexander
> >>>>
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> >> --
> >> Alexander Papaspyrou
> >> alexander.papaspyrou at tu-dortmund.de
> >
> >
> 
> --
> Alexander Papaspyrou
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