[dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal

Mon May 31 10:31:49 CDT 2010

Am 31.05.2010 um 17:20 schrieb Thijs Metsch:

> 
> Sure in Q6 you can reference to Grid and Cloud. But in the scope and
> focus area it should be crystal clear and narrow focused :-)

+1

> Let's do one step following the other - we don't know yet if we will
> have an API or Protocol (or maybe that existing solutions will even be
> sufficient so we don't need to do anything) - so maybe reword it like
> this:
> 
> After initial research the DCI Federation Protocol Working Group will
> deliver an API or Protocol. It will allow automatic negotiated,
> SLA-secured and dynamically provisioned federation of resources and
> services in distributed environments.

I propose to rephrase again and say:

The DCI Federation Protocol Working Group (DCIFP-WG) will deliver a
specification for the automatically negotiated, SLA-secured, dynamically
provisioned federation of resources.

Note that "services" has been removed as well.

> BTW: DCIFP-WG is almost unpronounceable :-) maybe go for DCIFEP?

Nice. I was thinking of DCIfed.

And, guys, remember: no votes, consensus only (after all, it's OGF...)!

-Alexander

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexander Papaspyrou
> [mailto:alexander.papaspyrou at tu-dortmund.de]
>> Sent: Montag, 31. Mai 2010 17:08
>> To: Thijs Metsch
>> Cc: Edmonds, AndrewX; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
>> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
>> 
>> Hey Thijs,
>> 
>> Am 31.05.2010 um 16:59 schrieb Thijs Metsch:
>> 
>>> Or option 3) remove references to Grid & cloud and just leave the
>>> description you already have in there:
>>> 
>>> The DCI Federation Protocol Working Group (DCIFP-WG) will deliver an
>> API
>>> specification for the automatically negotiated, SLA-secured,
>> dynamically
>>> provisioned federation of resources and. The scope of the
>> specification
>>> will include (1) the delegation
>>> of workload from one domain into the other, covering description,
>>> submission,
>>> and monitoring; and (2) leasing of resources, including definition,
>>> provisioning, and monitoring.
>> 
>> good idea, +1 from me. Alas, we will have to explicitly state (at
>> least) Grid in the "who will uptake" Q6, I think.
>> 
>>> Second question would be: API vs Protocol???
>> 
>> That's also not entirely clear to me and partly the reason for making
>> the bold statement of "protocols and APIs" here and there.
>> 
>> I think that for the "automatically negotiated" part, we will have to
>> specify some kind of protocol, even if it boils down to a rather
> simple
>> sequence diagram. Also, I probably tend to use the term "protocol"
>> loosely here: I certainly do not want to define a new Over-The-Wire
>> protocol -- just thinking of "steps to take to get a delegation/lease
>> done".
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Alexander
>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Edmonds, AndrewX
>>>> Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Mai 2010 19:17
>>>> To: Alexander Papaspyrou; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
>>>> 
>>>> On a second read...
>>>> Another aspect to consider is whether the charter should to have a
>>> wide
>>>> scope (cloudcomputing && gridcomputing) or narrow/focused scope
>>>> (cloudcomputing || gridcomputing). My own (biased ;-)) opinion on
>> this
>>>> would be that a narrow and focused scope is taken.
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Edmonds, AndrewX
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:44 PM
>>>> To: Alexander Papaspyrou; dcifp-bof at ogf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Alexander,
>>>> Great start and the charter reads very well!
>>>> 
>>>> In the charter (Q1) it says that the WG will define a new API.
>> Granted
>>>> that might be an eventual necessity and outcome/output but should
> it
>>>> also be captured in the charter that suggested
>>> extensions/modifications
>>>> to the listed existing standards be developed and provided as an
>>> output
>>>> of the group and input to other OGF WGs? What I'm suggesting here
> is
>>> to
>>>> avoid the recreation of existing APIs/protocols by using the new
> API
>>> as
>>>> a proxy to them.
>>>> 
>>>> What's described in the charter would be of interest to SLA at SOI and
>> I
>>>> would imagine the SLA at SOI/RESERVOIR collaboration group that is
>>>> currently active (I've mailed out to that group) would have an
>>> interest
>>>> too.
>>>> 
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:dcifp-bof-bounces at ogf.org]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Alexander Papaspyrou
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 11:02 AM
>>>> To: dcifp-bof at ogf.org
>>>> Subject: [dcifp-bof] Group charter proposal
>>>> 
>>>> Dear DCIFP participants,
>>>> 
>>>> our stated goal for OGF30 was to form a "real" group, that is move
>>> away
>>>> from our current BoF status. For those not familiar with the OGF
>>>> process, this requires a formal group creation request to the Grid
>>>> Forum Steering Group (GFSG) and a charter describing the purpose,
>>>> goals, and scope of the group, and its position within OGF and
> other
>>>> standardization organizations.
>>>> 
>>>> I have written a draft charter (see below) on the basis of what
> I've
>>>> found from other successfully established groups and our
> discussions
>>> in
>>>> Munich.
>>>> 
>>>> Please review and comment!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Alexander
>>>> 
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