Have you forgotten what I, Jim Bell, did, or why I am here? Was: Re: USA 2020 Elections: Thread
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Tue Oct 20 12:49:23 PDT 2020
On Monday, October 19, 2020, 10:51:55 PM PDT, Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 <punks at tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:40:20 +1000
jamesd at echeque.com wrote:
>> If you don't have a state and state religion, you get conquered.
> So if you don't have a state, then you end up having a state.
That's what long-ago occasional Cypherpunk David Friedman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_D._Friedman (Son of famous enonomist Milton Friedman) concluded in 1973/1989/2014 with his book, "The Machinery of Freedom". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Machinery_of_Freedom He realized that it was very difficult for a region 'governed' by anarchy or libertarian principles to defend itself from external aggression (by more convention 'states' that taxed their citizens), because it couldn't tax the people living there. He called this "The Hard Problem", and yes it was indeed hard. https://voluntaristicsociety.liberty.me/national-defense-the-hard-problem/
While I wasn't aware of David Friedman's existence in early 1995, nor his label of the problem "the hard problem", nevertheless I had been aware of the difficulty of an anarchic region defending itself since 1975, when I realized I had always been a libertarian. I didn't hear it from anyone else: I considered it to be somewhat obvious. But I couldn't figure out the solution, either, from 1975-1994.
Friedman might as well have said: " So if you don't have a state, then you end up having a state". Because, effectively, that is what he DID say. And he wasn't wrong, he merely correctly said that if it was going to be possible to implement a stable, peaceful 'anarchy', someone would have to solve that "Hard Problem". Which HE couldn't do. But he publicized the problem, although I didn't hear about it due to that publicity.
I called myself a "minarchist libertarian" 1975- January-1995 ONLY because I couldn't figure out how to solve what I knew, independently, to be a problem. I hadn't thought about it much. While trying to figure out how to get rid of ONE free-spending officeholder (Robert Byrd of West Virginia, who I never named in my AP essay), I applied conceptually the ideas of good encryption, digital cash, and anonymity, to come up with the idea that I turned into my Assassination Politics essay in January-February 1995. I wasn't aware of the existence of the "Cypherpunks" list; and if you had said the name "Tim May" to me, I would have recalled that a person by that name famously discovered the alpha-particle problem in dynamic RAMs (DRAMS) in the late 1970's. I didn't know he had retired from Intel, and had gone on to other things. I wasn't aware of his, and others' discussion of "murder markets", although I think I must have heard of the concept, very indirectly, though others.
David Friedman stated that problem, the "Hard Problem", quite well. But he couldn't solve it. While not trying to solve it, I solved it, and I decided to tell the world. And I was victimized, for a long time, because of what I did.
Be aware of THAT. People like you are ingrates. Have some respect, and some gratitude. What I did is what should give us all hope that we can get rid of governments, once and for all.
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