How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

[\0xDynamite]

It works.  But try wiki.hackerspaces.org.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:50 PM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:22 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > So which do you prefer:  accountability or anonymity?  The power goes
> > > > both ways.  Pick one.
> > >
> > >         This is the cypherpunks mailing list? Weren't cypherpunks advocates of anonimity or something?
> >
> > Geez man, can't you pick up on it when someone's trying to teach you something?
> >
> > Anonymity and accountability are two contrary aims.  If you want one,
> > you don't get the other.  Get it?
> >
> > > > >         but all those things are controlled by political power. 'information flow' is controlled by US corporations at a global scale for instance.
> > > >
> > > > No these things are not just controlled by political power.
> > >
> > >         I mean, abstract mathematics is obviously NOT controlled by political power, but all the infrastructure clearly is.
> >
> > No, contrary to your anarcho-punk philosophy, all power is not held in
> > politics.  Much of the hardware is controlled by base economic forces
> > of simply wanting to get money.  Snowden is a sheep in whistleblower
> > clothing -- his "knowledge" of seekrit powers in tech devices is
> > bullshit.  There are also social forces driving things.  Unfortunately
> > the powers that run the world are at level 100 or so, while the people
> > are generally at LVL 20 or less, so they get mystified, used,
> > confused, and paranoid.   You've fallen under it because you don't
> > have mastery of the tech.  That's all.  Get a degree and become a real
> > expert or learn by yourself by following paths online, like the one I
> > put on hackerspaces.org (OneTruePath).  OR, get this, simply be
>
> 504 Gateway Error over here, and not on archive.org .
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> > respectful to other people who HAVE done this work and learn something
> > from THEM.
> >
> > Until then, you're just a loudmouth.
> >
> > >         Point being, cryptography by itself will get you nowhere, AND cryptography is a pretty toxic tool in the hands of the political powers that control its practical application.
> >
> > Cryptography by itself *has* gotten us nowhere, because nothing we
> > REALLY wanted to do required going against the law.  And what is it
> > that we REALLY want to do?  (hmm, free society, creative culture,
> > radical love, ....)
> >
> > \0xD