How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

Mon Nov 9 14:04:43 PST 2020

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 4:41 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It works.  But try wiki.hackerspaces.org.

I don't understand what you mean by `it works`.  What do you think of
this terminal snippet?
```
$ curl -v https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/
* About to connect() to wiki.hackerspaces.org port 443 (#0)
*   Trying 212.12.52.48...
* Connected to wiki.hackerspaces.org (212.12.52.48) port 443 (#0)
* Initializing NSS with certpath: sql:/etc/pki/nssdb
*   CAfile: /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
  CApath: none
* SSL connection using TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
* Server certificate:
*       subject: CN=wiki.hackspaces.org
*       start date: Oct 30 01:00:18 2020 GMT
*       expire date: Jan 28 01:00:18 2021 GMT
*       common name: wiki.hackspaces.org
*       issuer: CN=Let's Encrypt Authority X3,O=Let's Encrypt,C=US
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> User-Agent: curl/7.29.0
> Host: wiki.hackerspaces.org
> Accept: */*
>
< HTTP/1.1 504 Gateway Time-out
< Server: nginx
< Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 22:03:40 GMT
< Content-Type: text/html
< Content-Length: 160
< Connection: keep-alive
<
<html>
<head><title>504 Gateway Time-out</title></head>
<body>
<center><h1>504 Gateway Time-out</h1></center>
<hr><center>nginx</center>
</body>
</html>
* Connection #0 to host wiki.hackerspaces.org left intact
```

>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 2:50 PM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:22 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > So which do you prefer:  accountability or anonymity?  The power goes
> > > > > both ways.  Pick one.
> > > >
> > > >         This is the cypherpunks mailing list? Weren't cypherpunks advocates of anonimity or something?
> > >
> > > Geez man, can't you pick up on it when someone's trying to teach you something?
> > >
> > > Anonymity and accountability are two contrary aims.  If you want one,
> > > you don't get the other.  Get it?
> > >
> > > > > >         but all those things are controlled by political power. 'information flow' is controlled by US corporations at a global scale for instance.
> > > > >
> > > > > No these things are not just controlled by political power.
> > > >
> > > >         I mean, abstract mathematics is obviously NOT controlled by political power, but all the infrastructure clearly is.
> > >
> > > No, contrary to your anarcho-punk philosophy, all power is not held in
> > > politics.  Much of the hardware is controlled by base economic forces
> > > of simply wanting to get money.  Snowden is a sheep in whistleblower
> > > clothing -- his "knowledge" of seekrit powers in tech devices is
> > > bullshit.  There are also social forces driving things.  Unfortunately
> > > the powers that run the world are at level 100 or so, while the people
> > > are generally at LVL 20 or less, so they get mystified, used,
> > > confused, and paranoid.   You've fallen under it because you don't
> > > have mastery of the tech.  That's all.  Get a degree and become a real
> > > expert or learn by yourself by following paths online, like the one I
> > > put on hackerspaces.org (OneTruePath).  OR, get this, simply be
> >
> > 504 Gateway Error over here, and not on archive.org .
> >
> > > respectful to other people who HAVE done this work and learn something
> > > from THEM.
> > >
> > > Until then, you're just a loudmouth.
> > >
> > > >         Point being, cryptography by itself will get you nowhere, AND cryptography is a pretty toxic tool in the hands of the political powers that control its practical application.
> > >
> > > Cryptography by itself *has* gotten us nowhere, because nothing we
> > > REALLY wanted to do required going against the law.  And what is it
> > > that we REALLY want to do?  (hmm, free society, creative culture,
> > > radical love, ....)
> > >
> > > \0xD